Or maybe the problem was that the one who won the audience vote was one of the ones with a low score and they obviously couldn't overtake all of the people on the same top score, so the audience winner couldn't win again, the same problem as Tom in the semi!

4 people got 6 points for example
1 got 2 points
1 got 1 point

If the audience winner was the person on 2 points,

they get a total of 8 points. If the person on 1 point got 1 point from the audience, for example, they finish on 2. That means that at least 3 of the people on 6 points would beat the audience winner.

eg 6 + 5
6 + 4
6 + 3
6 + 2
2 + 6
1 + 1

The top 3 would all beat the audience winner.

It only matters in the main show because of the phone vote though- they are asking voters to pay for something that isn't actually possible. That isn't an issue here because voting is free. This is supposed to be light entertainment- who cares if the worst routine can't win?!

Right

Four couples tied at the top on scores coverted from the points given from judges scores and audience vote.

Only one couple of those four can win..the one with the highest audience vote.......

What was the problem ??

Am i being dense ??

Do you think this is just a publicity stunt, to generate interest in the Christmas Special. I can't really see what the issue is, particularly as no-one was paying to vote?

But maybe they are thinking that the studio audience are representative of the viewing public, even if we can't vote and they are maybe very sensitive to this happening so close to the semi.

There are people that will complain, I think. It's even more obvious to lots of us now after the semi and so many more people will be aware that someone at the bottom of the leaderboard can't win if a large proportion of those left are tied at the top.

Surely the whole point of SCD is that the audience, studio or home, should have the power to reverse the judges's scores if they feel like it and with so many tied, that can't happen.

Yeah, I think it's likely to generate a bit of "Oh, dear, this could happen outside the semis". Which I thought was clear when Rachel ended up in the bottom two after having the second highest mark because of a tie at the top, but never mind.

Apparently Len had to choose from the 4 tied couples which one was top,2nd,3rd and 4th.

Actually I kind of think the point of the judges having half the say, and the audience the other half. The judges don't get to decide on their own who wins, and neither do the audience. If the audience automatically get to decide, why do the judges score them at all?

this has got to be a joke surely
All theey had to do was say the audience vote decided the winner
So does this mean some o f the people that got 40 now have less marks?

They "ASK"ed Len???!!

Yikes, that will cause a bit of controversy! I wonder if the overall winner was top with Len then!

I don't blame you for thinking along those lines. The ratings were on a downward trend until the 331 fiasco, and they ended up with their highest ever final ratings. The ratings also had a surge during Sergeantgate.

The problem with a 4 way tie in first place is that the person in last place cannot win, so they'd have to be removed fom the voting process. As we don't know how it all panned out maybe that's what happened, but someone had to make that decision and they may have been driving to Wlitshire for christmas and had to park their car somewhere to OK whatever resolution was arrived at.

To think we're number crunching again for the christmas special...!

Edit: I see they invoked the hastily invented "Ask Len" clause. Great.

For me the problem this year has been that rather than balancing the judges votes on behalf of 'entertainment value' against technical expertise, the phone vote seems dead set on overturning the judges vote out of spite.

That's why this has been happening more IMHO.

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but i didnt see why they couldnt just scrap the judges vote for the xmas special. They should have given all the couples marks (@so lets say 4 got 40 and 2 got 38) and then rather then base that on 50% just said to the audience you vote determines the winner.
Its a bit of a joke changing peoples marks after youve already judged them (if thats what they did)

I feel like shouting this!!!!!!

Four couples tied at the top on scores......

One with highest audience vote wins......

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!

Because the problem may have nothing to do with the couples at the top, it may be the couples at the bottom, they can't win.

I don't see the problem with that where nobody's spending money to vote, but I think the producers might be sensitive to it.

but it means whoever isnt at the top ie say the top 4 are Kelly, Lisa, Tom and Jill.
Then Alesha and Rachel wont win regardless of if they get the most studio auidence votes as the judges point system wouldnt allow them too.
ITs abit like in the semi finals

Oh for gods sake! more misery again with fairness!

Beats me why the judges give scores on the Christmas special. They're pretty meaningless as everyone gets such high marks. Well thought out comments (not painful alliteration and staged soundbites) and then a straight audience vote would make more sense.

It's like trying to knit fog!!!!

Still don't see there being a problem with deciding the winner out of the top four by highest audience vote ....

Something has to decide it ??.......i really hope it wasn't Len...

Maybe i need lunch for blood sugar boost to figure out the problem

Amusingly by making Len rank them, they have actually given the audience less choice; they still don't have any real chance of getting the bottom couple to win, but now they also don't have much chance that the couple who was tied in first place but is now fourth will win. For that to happen the fourth couple must score more than the third couple, who must score more than the second couple, who must score more than the first couple. Whereas if they had left it the fourth couple would have had just as much chance of winning as the first.

Still, all in the name of fairness

I agree Fairygirl, they should have left it as it was and let the audience choose amongst the top four.

I agree Fairygirl........however I can see that there could be an issue here when the programme was shown on the TV if you have 4 on 6 points even if the bottom 2 got the highest and second highest vote they couldnt possibly win. Now if it was ME I would say so what they should have danced better but I suppose having not seen the show their might have only been one of two points between them all, and the BBC might have had to deal with a complaints from the public again, even though they didnt vote.

The BBC's news story now up (includes spoiler)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7797237.stm

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oh dear this is confusing.
I actually haev my fingers crossed that the person that won IS NOT the one Len put in first place, that really would annoy him.

We are finding this amusing ofcourse BUT what makes me a little sad is that ALL this will lead to in the end is the end of Strictly Come Dancing. How did we manage to not have these issues in the last 5 series.