I realize the source of the information could be questionable but it seems the revamp would make striclty much more like the US version. I think this would be a huge mistake. the US version reminds me of a cheap Vegas lounge act.(I'm from the USA so I can't be accused of being anti-american). The only positive thing about DWTS are the judges.
Please don't turn strictly into Dancing with the Stars
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Originally Posted by Endemoniada:
“OK...I won't then.”
“OK...I won't then.”
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, oh I've just wet myself Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!
The voting systems better though i think.
and the dance floor looks bigger
and Tom is amazing.
and I love Carrie
and the dance floor looks bigger
and Tom is amazing.
and I love Carrie
Originally Posted by sophisticate:
“I realize the source of the information could be questionable but it seems the revamp would make striclty much more like the US version. I think this would be a huge mistake. the US version reminds me of a cheap Vegas lounge act.(I'm from the USA so I can't be accused of being anti-american). The only positive thing about DWTS are the judges.”
“I realize the source of the information could be questionable but it seems the revamp would make striclty much more like the US version. I think this would be a huge mistake. the US version reminds me of a cheap Vegas lounge act.(I'm from the USA so I can't be accused of being anti-american). The only positive thing about DWTS are the judges.”
Yup. It would truly be a DISARRRRRRSTER if it's turned into a vulgar American version. Sorry, I don't hate the Americans (and before people accused me of being a typical British subject taking a jibe at the Americans, I am not even born in the UK), but their version is a poor one, and should be avoided like a plague.
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Yup. It would truly be a DISARRRRRRSTER if it's turned into a vulgar American version. Sorry, I don't hate the Americans (and before people accused me of being a typical British subject taking a jibe at the Americans, I am not even born in the UK), but their version is a poor one, and should be avoided like a plague.”
“Yup. It would truly be a DISARRRRRRSTER if it's turned into a vulgar American version. Sorry, I don't hate the Americans (and before people accused me of being a typical British subject taking a jibe at the Americans, I am not even born in the UK), but their version is a poor one, and should be avoided like a plague.
”
DWTS a poor version of SCD? Come off it.
It may have been Americanised slightly in some aspects in order to appeal to the US audience, but they wouldn't watch it if was as camp and as badly presented as SCD.
DWTS is yet to have any vote rigging/audience voting issue scandals that I know off, the judges don't bring the show down to the level of a playground fight by arguing amongst themselves almost constantly, and watching the SCD Christmas special tonight, Bruce's presenting and his script were so appalling, I had to mute the TV.
Originally Posted by justpootling:
“DWTS a poor version of SCD? Come off it.
It may have been Americanised slightly in some aspects in order to appeal to the US audience, but they wouldn't watch it if was as camp and as badly presented as SCD.
DWTS is yet to have any vote rigging/audience voting issue scandals that I know off, the judges don't bring the show down to the level of a playground fight by arguing amongst themselves almost constantly, and watching the SCD Christmas special tonight, Bruce's presenting and his script were so appalling, I had to mute the TV.”
“DWTS a poor version of SCD? Come off it.
It may have been Americanised slightly in some aspects in order to appeal to the US audience, but they wouldn't watch it if was as camp and as badly presented as SCD.
DWTS is yet to have any vote rigging/audience voting issue scandals that I know off, the judges don't bring the show down to the level of a playground fight by arguing amongst themselves almost constantly, and watching the SCD Christmas special tonight, Bruce's presenting and his script were so appalling, I had to mute the TV.”
Yes, they were. When they have Kristina Yamakuchi, I watched them and only them and enjoyed ALL their dances (truly no messing about, and their jive was electric). But there were so many who cheated in their dances. So many standing ovations (like get real!) and so many tens flying about, it would make even Rachel Steven blush.
Already, Strictly is bitten by the DWTS 'tens like confetti' bug. No more. The Americans can do their brash versions all they want, don't bring that loud, bordering on irreverent/vulgar style here into Strictly. It will forever spoil the magic. Yes, they will attract the X-Factor crowd, but then we have the X-Factor for that!
Ironically, their American Idol wasn't embarrassing to watch. Whereas our X-Factor was just tedious to the core with all the sob stories. That Daniel Evans guy, you just want to wring his neck by the end it!
Tbh a lot of the problems with the British SCD is the Public.
They find it impossible to vote for talent, and I would scrap the public vote entirely.
They find it impossible to vote for talent, and I would scrap the public vote entirely.
The problem with the British SCD is that they changed it from the formula that they sold to every other country that has a similar competition.
DWTS follows the same format used in series 1-4 of SCD - no dance off, reasonably sensible judging (albeit it got silly on the judges part in SCD 4 with their open adoration of Baby Spice). Even DWTS saved Cloris against some better dancers so nothing much different there!
Lets have Tom Bergeron instead of Brucie - but Tess can stay
DWTS follows the same format used in series 1-4 of SCD - no dance off, reasonably sensible judging (albeit it got silly on the judges part in SCD 4 with their open adoration of Baby Spice). Even DWTS saved Cloris against some better dancers so nothing much different there!
Lets have Tom Bergeron instead of Brucie - but Tess can stay
DWTS has the same judges as SCD bar one. So these comments that the judges are better have me confused. 
Originally Posted by BlackOpal:
“Tbh a lot of the problems with the British SCD is the Public.
They find it impossible to vote for talent, and I would scrap the public vote entirely.”
“Tbh a lot of the problems with the British SCD is the Public.
They find it impossible to vote for talent, and I would scrap the public vote entirely.”
I remember the year Helio was dancing. He wasn't the best technically, but he was charming (his QS was ridiculously awful and scored perfect 30 if I recalled properly). He won.
There was a year when that oily guy Mario was dancing like a sex god, but it was the Smidth guy (who looked too butch to be graceful) who clinched the title - because, presumbly he's popular too.
I agree that boy-band guy was good, and of course Kristina was good, but that Apollo guy's showdance was DIRE, and he still won.
Oh well. So much for the American public.
Originally Posted by sophisticate:
“I realize the source of the information could be questionable but it seems the revamp would make striclty much more like the US version. I think this would be a huge mistake. the US version reminds me of a cheap Vegas lounge act.(I'm from the USA so I can't be accused of being anti-american). The only positive thing about DWTS are the judges.”
“I realize the source of the information could be questionable but it seems the revamp would make striclty much more like the US version. I think this would be a huge mistake. the US version reminds me of a cheap Vegas lounge act.(I'm from the USA so I can't be accused of being anti-american). The only positive thing about DWTS are the judges.”
Couldn't agree more! The great thing about scd is that it is very British and the under dog will be supported if they are entertaining enough. I don't want it "sexed up" I love it just the way it is.
Although I must say it has changed since the tours, why do you think Austin had to go? 'Cos he might have won and he wasn't doing the tour!?!
what's the main differences between these usa version, and the london version? what make one work better than the other? I've never seen the usa version..
BBC Worldwide makes a mint selling Strictly to 41 countries under the international name of DWTS making it the most watched show on the planet. Any more countries who want to buy into the show will no doubt check out the Shepherds Bush version, so Strictly entertains a British audience and also serves as BBC's flagship in the shopwindow. Alas SCD6 did not do so well.
How is DWTS doing in USA and other countries? How many couples in the states?
How is DWTS doing in USA and other countries? How many couples in the states?
DWTS in the US is basically the same as strictly used to be over here.
They have a main show on a Monday night with a results show the next night (due to the time differences across the country). There are 3 judges (Len, Bruno and Carrie Ann Inaba - a US version of Craig/Arlene). The set is pretty much the same as the SCD set, but there seems to me much more space for the audience. Bruces role is taken by slick and smooth Tom Bergeron, and Tess' role by Samantha Harris (who makes you appreciate Tess!). The pros quite often perform an opening number.
The couples dance (I think they had 13 this last time) are scored by the judges (and they really like giving out 10s!) then the phonelines open for a short time after the main show. Voters can vote by ordinary phone for free but are limited to voting only as many times as there are couples left in the show from each number. Like here there is a combined score of judges and viewers points, and should they lose a couple for whatever reason - they carry forward the scores and votes for the week they left to the next week (no elimination), although we are told who would have gone.
The results show features an "encore" from one of the couples chosen by the judges, a guest star or two accompanied by the pro dancers, and occasionally an item like the Dance . The safe dancers are revealed in between the various items leaving a "last 2", one of whom is going home - the other may not necessarily have been second lowest so viewers don't always know who the second lowest scorers are
There is NO dance off (just like strictly used to be), and there have been some shock results over there too - Sabrina Bryan was a shock early eviction a couple of seasons ago despite being one of the best dancers they ever had, and Cloris Leachman (aged 80) lasted a lot longer than expected due to her popularity with the audience and her antics with the judges as well as her comedy routines.
In short - DWTS is very recognisable as Stricly Come Dancing - a reall home from home for Len.
They have a main show on a Monday night with a results show the next night (due to the time differences across the country). There are 3 judges (Len, Bruno and Carrie Ann Inaba - a US version of Craig/Arlene). The set is pretty much the same as the SCD set, but there seems to me much more space for the audience. Bruces role is taken by slick and smooth Tom Bergeron, and Tess' role by Samantha Harris (who makes you appreciate Tess!). The pros quite often perform an opening number.
The couples dance (I think they had 13 this last time) are scored by the judges (and they really like giving out 10s!) then the phonelines open for a short time after the main show. Voters can vote by ordinary phone for free but are limited to voting only as many times as there are couples left in the show from each number. Like here there is a combined score of judges and viewers points, and should they lose a couple for whatever reason - they carry forward the scores and votes for the week they left to the next week (no elimination), although we are told who would have gone.
The results show features an "encore" from one of the couples chosen by the judges, a guest star or two accompanied by the pro dancers, and occasionally an item like the Dance . The safe dancers are revealed in between the various items leaving a "last 2", one of whom is going home - the other may not necessarily have been second lowest so viewers don't always know who the second lowest scorers are
There is NO dance off (just like strictly used to be), and there have been some shock results over there too - Sabrina Bryan was a shock early eviction a couple of seasons ago despite being one of the best dancers they ever had, and Cloris Leachman (aged 80) lasted a lot longer than expected due to her popularity with the audience and her antics with the judges as well as her comedy routines.
In short - DWTS is very recognisable as Stricly Come Dancing - a reall home from home for Len.
Edit: CaroUK got there before me - took ages to type all this up!
I think there are far more similarities than differences. I could write an essay on both shows as I watch both in a "sky+ if I'm going to be out" manner. I'll just list 7 similarities and 7 differences just 'cos I like the number seven. Len says "se-VEN" there too...
Similarities
1. Theme music is the same. Opening credits, moment of truth... the theme sequence is also the same. Set looks very similar. They even use the same person (Alan Dedicoat) for the continuity annnouncements: "Live, from Hollywood, this is Dancing With The Stars!" "Dancing the foxtrot - will xyz and her professional partner" etc
2. They have Len and Bruno. Len is the difficult to please fuddy duddy judge, and Bruno is exactly the same as he is here.
3. They have a male host who stays downstairs and a female host who stays upstairs to interview the couples
4. Each dance starts with a view of the couple, then a VT, then they take to the floor, etc etc just like Strictly
5. They do VW, tango, foxtrot, quickstep, paso, chacha, samba, rumba, jive and did salsa for the first time last series
6. They have a leaderboard which combines the judges' score and the audience vote in a 50/50 distribution
7. They have a 3 person final which includes their best ballroom, best latin and a showdance, and the winner lifts a glitterball identical to ours
Differences
1. They have 3 judges - a female judge, Carrie Ann, who sits on the left. Len sits in the middle. So they score out of 30. The number of couples has gone up - I think they had 6 in season 1 - last season they had 13. They also have a double elimination the first week.
2. They've stopped doing the waltz (since season 5 I think) and they don't do the AT or American smooth. They do the mambo, and last season introduced the hustle, jitterbug and west coast swing.
3. Their result show is live, the day after the main show. The phone votes are free, but restricted to a certain number per phone. The audience vote is done in percentages.
4. They have pro dances during the result show and pros dancing to the invited artist, but they are less fussed about professional partnerships and anyone could dance with anyone.
5. There are usually 2 musical performances, often by the same artist with eliminations in between. They have no dance off, and the elimination is not done in one block like on Strictly. They usually announce the first one or 2 safe couples then it's off to the first musical performance.
6. The judges choose a dance they want to see again. Often the best dance, but it can be the funniest. It can also be the group dance (they have them ocasionally, like on Strictly)
7. For the first time this season, a team dance was introduced in the last 6. They all did an individual dance as usual, then they were put in 2 teams - one team performed a paso and the other a chacha, with solos. They were scored as a team and that was added to their first dance score. It can be a crafty way to ensure the favourites are not in the bottom half - just put them all in the same team and put the John Seargent type character in the other team...
Originally Posted by Bonny1:
“what's the main differences between these usa version, and the london version? what make one work better than the other? I've never seen the usa version..”
“what's the main differences between these usa version, and the london version? what make one work better than the other? I've never seen the usa version..”
I think there are far more similarities than differences. I could write an essay on both shows as I watch both in a "sky+ if I'm going to be out" manner. I'll just list 7 similarities and 7 differences just 'cos I like the number seven. Len says "se-VEN" there too...
Similarities
1. Theme music is the same. Opening credits, moment of truth... the theme sequence is also the same. Set looks very similar. They even use the same person (Alan Dedicoat) for the continuity annnouncements: "Live, from Hollywood, this is Dancing With The Stars!" "Dancing the foxtrot - will xyz and her professional partner" etc
2. They have Len and Bruno. Len is the difficult to please fuddy duddy judge, and Bruno is exactly the same as he is here.
3. They have a male host who stays downstairs and a female host who stays upstairs to interview the couples
4. Each dance starts with a view of the couple, then a VT, then they take to the floor, etc etc just like Strictly
5. They do VW, tango, foxtrot, quickstep, paso, chacha, samba, rumba, jive and did salsa for the first time last series
6. They have a leaderboard which combines the judges' score and the audience vote in a 50/50 distribution
7. They have a 3 person final which includes their best ballroom, best latin and a showdance, and the winner lifts a glitterball identical to ours
Differences
1. They have 3 judges - a female judge, Carrie Ann, who sits on the left. Len sits in the middle. So they score out of 30. The number of couples has gone up - I think they had 6 in season 1 - last season they had 13. They also have a double elimination the first week.
2. They've stopped doing the waltz (since season 5 I think) and they don't do the AT or American smooth. They do the mambo, and last season introduced the hustle, jitterbug and west coast swing.
3. Their result show is live, the day after the main show. The phone votes are free, but restricted to a certain number per phone. The audience vote is done in percentages.
4. They have pro dances during the result show and pros dancing to the invited artist, but they are less fussed about professional partnerships and anyone could dance with anyone.
5. There are usually 2 musical performances, often by the same artist with eliminations in between. They have no dance off, and the elimination is not done in one block like on Strictly. They usually announce the first one or 2 safe couples then it's off to the first musical performance.
6. The judges choose a dance they want to see again. Often the best dance, but it can be the funniest. It can also be the group dance (they have them ocasionally, like on Strictly)
7. For the first time this season, a team dance was introduced in the last 6. They all did an individual dance as usual, then they were put in 2 teams - one team performed a paso and the other a chacha, with solos. They were scored as a team and that was added to their first dance score. It can be a crafty way to ensure the favourites are not in the bottom half - just put them all in the same team and put the John Seargent type character in the other team...
Couples in the dance-off hardly ever improve, and frankly the two dances rated the lowest do not bear watching a second time. It is an unnecessary trauma for the lower couple in the dance-off, prolonging the agony for a pair whose days are numbered any way. Jessie Wallace walked out the door and had to be strenuously persuaded to come back and do the dance-off, with eyes glazed and it looked to me touch-and-go whether she would stop with a meltdown.
At the Cherie-Lisa dance-off Len launched a bitter tirade against John who was sitting right there in the back room watching same alongside his colleagues -- John and Kristina who did what they were invited and paid to do, to last as long as they could. Head Judge set an example and other judges followed him and outdid him, then James and Brucie joined the crowd, and the next thing was the worst bust-up in Strictly history. Did the Beeb do audience research before introducing the dance-off two years ago? They probably consulted -- with all 4 judges.
At the Cherie-Lisa dance-off Len launched a bitter tirade against John who was sitting right there in the back room watching same alongside his colleagues -- John and Kristina who did what they were invited and paid to do, to last as long as they could. Head Judge set an example and other judges followed him and outdid him, then James and Brucie joined the crowd, and the next thing was the worst bust-up in Strictly history. Did the Beeb do audience research before introducing the dance-off two years ago? They probably consulted -- with all 4 judges.
Originally Posted by pasodabble:
“Edit: CaroUK got there before me - took ages to type all this up!
I think there are far more similarities than differences. I could write an essay on both shows as I watch both in a "sky+ if I'm going to be out" manner. I'll just list 7 similarities and 7 differences just 'cos I like the number seven. Len says "se-VEN" there too...
Similarities
1. Theme music is the same. Opening credits, moment of truth... the theme sequence is also the same. Set looks very similar. They even use the same person (Alan Dedicoat) for the continuity annnouncements: "Live, from Hollywood, this is Dancing With The Stars!" "Dancing the foxtrot - will xyz and her professional partner" etc
2. They have Len and Bruno. Len is the difficult to please fuddy duddy judge, and Bruno is exactly the same as he is here.
3. They have a male host who stays downstairs and a female host who stays upstairs to interview the couples
4. Each dance starts with a view of the couple, then a VT, then they take to the floor, etc etc just like Strictly
5. They do VW, tango, foxtrot, quickstep, paso, chacha, samba, rumba, jive and did salsa for the first time last series
6. They have a leaderboard which combines the judges' score and the audience vote in a 50/50 distribution
7. They have a 3 person final which includes their best ballroom, best latin and a showdance, and the winner lifts a glitterball identical to ours
Differences
1. They have 3 judges - a female judge, Carrie Ann, who sits on the left. Len sits in the middle. So they score out of 30. The number of couples has gone up - I think they had 6 in season 1 - last season they had 13.
2. They've stopped doing the waltz (since season 5 I think) and they don't do the AT or American smooth. They do the mambo, and last season introduced the hustle, jitterbug and west coast swing.
3. Their result show is live, the day after the main show. The phone votes are free, but restricted to a certain number per phone. The audience vote is done in percentages.
4. They have pro dances during the result show and pros dancing to the invited artist, but they are less fussed about professional partnerships and anyone could dance with anyone.
5. There are usually 2 musical performances, often by the same artist with eliminations in between. They have no dance off, and the elimination is not done in one block like on Strictly. They usually announce the first one or 2 safe couples then it's off to the first musical performance.
6. The judges choose a dance they want to see again. Often the best dance, but it can be the funniest. It can also be the group dance (they have them ocasionally, like on Strictly)
7. For the first time this season, a team dance was introduced in the last 6. They all did an individual dance as usual, then they were put in 2 teams - one team performed a paso and the other a chacha, with solos. They were scored as a team and that was added to their first dance score. It can be a crafty way to ensure the favourites are not in the bottom half - just put them all in the same team and put the John Seargent type character in the other team...”
“Edit: CaroUK got there before me - took ages to type all this up!
I think there are far more similarities than differences. I could write an essay on both shows as I watch both in a "sky+ if I'm going to be out" manner. I'll just list 7 similarities and 7 differences just 'cos I like the number seven. Len says "se-VEN" there too...
Similarities
1. Theme music is the same. Opening credits, moment of truth... the theme sequence is also the same. Set looks very similar. They even use the same person (Alan Dedicoat) for the continuity annnouncements: "Live, from Hollywood, this is Dancing With The Stars!" "Dancing the foxtrot - will xyz and her professional partner" etc
2. They have Len and Bruno. Len is the difficult to please fuddy duddy judge, and Bruno is exactly the same as he is here.
3. They have a male host who stays downstairs and a female host who stays upstairs to interview the couples
4. Each dance starts with a view of the couple, then a VT, then they take to the floor, etc etc just like Strictly
5. They do VW, tango, foxtrot, quickstep, paso, chacha, samba, rumba, jive and did salsa for the first time last series
6. They have a leaderboard which combines the judges' score and the audience vote in a 50/50 distribution
7. They have a 3 person final which includes their best ballroom, best latin and a showdance, and the winner lifts a glitterball identical to ours
Differences
1. They have 3 judges - a female judge, Carrie Ann, who sits on the left. Len sits in the middle. So they score out of 30. The number of couples has gone up - I think they had 6 in season 1 - last season they had 13.
2. They've stopped doing the waltz (since season 5 I think) and they don't do the AT or American smooth. They do the mambo, and last season introduced the hustle, jitterbug and west coast swing.
3. Their result show is live, the day after the main show. The phone votes are free, but restricted to a certain number per phone. The audience vote is done in percentages.
4. They have pro dances during the result show and pros dancing to the invited artist, but they are less fussed about professional partnerships and anyone could dance with anyone.
5. There are usually 2 musical performances, often by the same artist with eliminations in between. They have no dance off, and the elimination is not done in one block like on Strictly. They usually announce the first one or 2 safe couples then it's off to the first musical performance.
6. The judges choose a dance they want to see again. Often the best dance, but it can be the funniest. It can also be the group dance (they have them ocasionally, like on Strictly)
7. For the first time this season, a team dance was introduced in the last 6. They all did an individual dance as usual, then they were put in 2 teams - one team performed a paso and the other a chacha, with solos. They were scored as a team and that was added to their first dance score. It can be a crafty way to ensure the favourites are not in the bottom half - just put them all in the same team and put the John Seargent type character in the other team...”
After reading all of that it makes me think that DWTS works better than SCD
Originally Posted by SCDancing34:
“After reading all of that it makes me think that DWTS works better than SCD”
“After reading all of that it makes me think that DWTS works better than SCD
”
It does!
The main difference between the 2 shows is the pros, I think. The US dancers seem to have a way free-er interpretation of what a dance is than over here. They're more Hollywood or showbizzy than ours, our dances tend to be very hot on footwork/frame/recognisable steps, their dances tend to be far more about the performance.
But all in all, the scoring works so much better over there than it does over here. The producers really shouldn't have messed with the format to introduce the dance off, then there wouldn't be all the mess we were left with this year.
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“It does!
The main difference between the 2 shows is the pros, I think. The US dancers seem to have a way free-er interpretation of what a dance is than over here. They're more Hollywood or showbizzy than ours, our dances tend to be very hot on footwork/frame/recognisable steps, their dances tend to be far more about the performance.
But all in all, the scoring works so much better over there than it does over here. The producers really shouldn't have messed with the format to introduce the dance off, then there wouldn't be all the mess we were left with this year.”
“It does!
The main difference between the 2 shows is the pros, I think. The US dancers seem to have a way free-er interpretation of what a dance is than over here. They're more Hollywood or showbizzy than ours, our dances tend to be very hot on footwork/frame/recognisable steps, their dances tend to be far more about the performance.
But all in all, the scoring works so much better over there than it does over here. The producers really shouldn't have messed with the format to introduce the dance off, then there wouldn't be all the mess we were left with this year.
”
Yes, the one thing DWTS does much better than SCD is the voting. I don't think that the Dance Off has actually helped save people who are good from leaving...it has just made the public vote more so that their favourite doesn't get in the bottom two instead of just coming bottom. If DWTS can work it out why can't SCD?
Originally Posted by BlackOpal:
“Tbh a lot of the problems with the British SCD is the Public.
They find it impossible to vote for talent, and I would scrap the public vote entirely.”
“Tbh a lot of the problems with the British SCD is the Public.
They find it impossible to vote for talent, and I would scrap the public vote entirely.”
To all those who want the public vote scrapped - answer me one question would you have wanted Emma Bunton to win SCD4? If the answer is no (which I suspect in a variety of cases it would be) then you don't really want that because without the public vote that is exactly what would have happened.
Yes the public can be a bit daft and vote to keep duffers in for longer than they should but the judges judgment can be flawed too and sometimes the talented have bad weeks.
One thing about the voting that you all left off is that you can vote online in the US. You're restricted to the same number of votes as the phone votes...per email address. The online voting is also open until noon.
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