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Suzanne gets 30.0 again !
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laur_od
30-12-2008
I thought she did the risky stuff on tour, when i was there she did the headbanger with the twist and bounce and some very good lifts, she certainly isnt afraid of it, she actually likes that kind of stuff, she loves the danger factor. As you said there was just a different focus to the routines. Suzi did the daring stuff in the immediate series so they decided to give her something dancey, as claire hasnt been on the telly for awhile and did the more graceful things on tour they decided to give her the daring stuff for this, simply to prove id imagine that they can both do both types of routines and also to catch people out cos everyone would have expected the big lifts to be in suzis. Claire was given a headbanger so it would have been a bit silly to give it to suzi, so i dont think she avoided the risk at all, she just wasnt given it and it wouldnt have suited the song she was given at all.
lilyscent
30-12-2008
Originally Posted by enero778:
“Chris Fountain was vile on the night, not standing for Suzanne when all others, even Frankie did - instead he just looked miserable. He is obviously completely full of himself and is over praised.”

If you read my post which is in Christmas Special, you will see what really happened on the night!! I thought this was a thread about Suzanne getting 666's not bashing Chris Fountain thread
mutleygold
30-12-2008
Originally Posted by ardwark:
“What did she get 30.0 for? Being carried around the ice by her professional partner again?”

Totally agree; Claire was by far the best girl, & at least the boys had more edge to their routines, all Suzanne's routines are bland IMO but as Jason loves her then the others have to suffer.
petertard
31-12-2008
Maybe she deserved 30.0 for artistic impression as her interpretation of the music is always better than any of the others, but 30.0 for technical merit, I think not, Claire's routine should have scored higher than Suzanne's for technical skating content.
Bob22A
31-12-2008
Originally Posted by laur_od:
“thought it was well deserved... footwork was very difficult and she made it look so easy, lots of in hold moves and tricky lifts. The problem is that she made it look an easy routine when it wasnt, thats why some people probably think it was overmarked. It looked absolutely effortless, it was perfect, absolutely flawless and it was deceptively fast across the ice, well deserved.
chris tripped twice and got sixes, some judges should have gone to specksavers, thought his was no more then 5s. Kyrans was second to suzi. But overall i think the right team won.”

She very definatly deserved it. I found Chris very disappointing I was expecting him to give Suzanne a real challenge but he did not.
Psychosis
31-12-2008
Originally Posted by mutleygold:
“Totally agree; Claire was by far the best girl, & at least the boys had more edge to their routines, all Suzanne's routines are bland IMO but as Jason loves her then the others have to suffer.”

Does Jason loving her make all of the other judges give her a 6 too and mark the others down too?

I'm sure I'm going to find out soon that Jason was responsible for heart disease, cancer, Vietnam, the extinction of dinosaurs..
thenetworkbabe
01-01-2009
Originally Posted by laur_od:
“I thought she did the risky stuff on tour, when i was there she did the headbanger with the twist and bounce and some very good lifts, she certainly isnt afraid of it, she actually likes that kind of stuff, she loves the danger factor. As you said there was just a different focus to the routines. Suzi did the daring stuff in the immediate series so they decided to give her something dancey, as claire hasnt been on the telly for awhile and did the more graceful things on tour they decided to give her the daring stuff for this, simply to prove id imagine that they can both do both types of routines and also to catch people out cos everyone would have expected the big lifts to be in suzis. Claire was given a headbanger so it would have been a bit silly to give it to suzi, so i dont think she avoided the risk at all, she just wasnt given it and it wouldnt have suited the song she was given at all.”

Thats right I think. From the youtubes and tour video I got the impression they made the tour headbanger a big safer than the ones on the show which would make sense doing it so often - may be wrong as it could have been nearer the ground teh next day or it could be the cmaera angles.
laur_od
01-01-2009
Nah its just at a slightly different height everytime you do it, It was extrememely close the night i was there live and she grazed her shoulder off the ice one night on tour, if they wanted to make it safer they'd do the pick up off the ground rather than her standing going into it and theyd also take out the bounce, it was exactly the same on tour as on the show, they changed nothing. She really enjoys doing the headbanger.
thenetworkbabe
02-01-2009
Originally Posted by petertard:
“Maybe she deserved 30.0 for artistic impression as her interpretation of the music is always better than any of the others, but 30.0 for technical merit, I think not, Claire's routine should have scored higher than Suzanne's for technical skating content.”

Depends what you count though. There wasn't a great lift or headbanger but there's an awful lot of different steps, skating on one leg and turns in suzanne's that Clare doesn't do. If the technical merit rules don't give vastly more points to the wow moves Suzanne might have the same difficulty or more by the rule book. Same with performance do you mark higher for doing everything beautifully with no errors or for doing something that has the audience gasping with excitement?
Pinkelephant99
07-01-2009
I'm not at all surprised that he was annoyed - his technical skating content far outstripped Suzanne's, it always has. Also I don't understand the whole him chasing Frankie thing, why on earth should the 2 skaters in the routine always dance together? If they are always holding hands with the professional (Suzanne, Zaraah...) yeah u see a partnership but it also takes away the sense of professionalism, you are reminded that one of them is an amateur. I like that Chris skates away from Frankie most of them time for one thing it shows that he can take the lead on the ice and I feel like I'm watching 2 professionals.

On reflection, having watched it again it is my opinion that taking into account technical content and performance, Kyran and Clare were the best. Whatever it is that Suzanne has, I don't see it.
Psychosis
07-01-2009
Originally Posted by Pinkelephant99:
“I'm not at all surprised that he was annoyed - his technical skating content far outstripped Suzanne's, it always has. Also I don't understand the whole him chasing Frankie thing, why on earth should the 2 skaters in the routine always dance together? If they are always holding hands with the professional (Suzanne, Zaraah...) yeah u see a partnership but it also takes away the sense of professionalism, you are reminded that one of them is an amateur. I like that Chris skates away from Frankie most of them time for one thing it shows that he can take the lead on the ice and I feel like I'm watching 2 professionals.

On reflection, having watched it again it is my opinion that taking into account technical content and performance, Kyran and Clare were the best. Whatever it is that Suzanne has, I don't see it.”

There's a difference between skating, synchronised but solo beside/around each other - and what Chris does, which is skate as fast as he can, as hard as he can, with no finesse at all, half a lap ahead of Frankie.
CaroUK
07-01-2009
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“There's a difference between skating, synchronised but solo beside/around each other - and what Chris does, which is skate as fast as he can, as hard as he can, with no finesse at all, half a lap ahead of Frankie.”

Hear hear - that is precisely what I see when Chris performs. You could take Frankie away from his routines and leave him on his own and you would hardly notice any difference. He is a good SOLO skater - determined to show off what HE can do. He doesn't actually seem to be capable of skating properly or at all well with anothe skater

All of the other celebs, male and female skate WITH their partners - as do Torvill and Dean, and if you look at the tour DVD, so do Mel & Fred, Andrei & Susie, Frankie and Dan, Kristina and Matt........ They may skate apart but as Psychosis says, they are synchronised but solo, both equal partners in the routine.
lilyscent
07-01-2009
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Hear hear - that is precisely what I see when Chris performs. You could take Frankie away from his routines and leave him on his own and you would hardly notice any difference. He is a good SOLO skater - determined to show off what HE can do. He doesn't actually seem to be capable of skating properly or at all well with anothe skater

All of the other celebs, male and female skate WITH their partners - as do Torvill and Dean, and if you look at the tour DVD, so do Mel & Fred, Andrei & Susie, Frankie and Dan, Kristina and Matt........ They may skate apart but as Psychosis says, they are synchronised but solo, both equal partners in the routine.”

As I've said before Chris doesn't choreograph his own routine, he has to do what he's given. Perhaps you should complain to Chris Dean, & then they might give him an EASY routine to do holding on to Frankie then perhaps he'll get 666's across the board !!
CaroUK
07-01-2009
Originally Posted by lilyscent:
“As I've said before Chris doesn't choreograph his own routine, he has to do what he's given. Perhaps you should complain to Chris Dean, & then they might give him an EASY routine to do holding on to Frankie then perhaps he'll get 666's across the board !!”

From what has been said on previous series - T&D choreograph a very basic routine for each celeb which is then developed and embellished by their pro skater - sort of like what the SCD pros do. T&D haven't got the time to do up to 13 polished individual routines week in week out nor can they supervise all of the training which goes on near where the celebs live and work.

The celebs themselves have a fair amount of say in what we actually see on the night. Remember that it was Bonnie and Lisa who actually wanted to include the headbanger in their routines - and Greg wanted to do 7 or 8 jumps in his - and John Barrowman wanted to do difficult moves in his - we saw them having their say in the VTs before they skated, and they got to do what they had asked to.

From what we saw Chris doing last year - he quite clearly had a LOT of say into what went on in his routines. As he was filming Hollyoaks (up North) during the series he would have done his training up there and I don't think T&D had much say in how his routines developed. I stand by what I said - Frankie's presence in most of their routines was an optional extra. All of the others skated WITH their partners, holding hands or apart - Chris and Frankie were two solo skaters on the rink at the same time in many cases.

Suzanne, Clare and Kyran can all skate technically excellent and easy on the eye routines which they make LOOK easy. It is far more difficult to skate slow controlled routines than those which have the couples racing around the rink at 90 mph. Suzanne in particular has excellent technique and does VERY difficult routines indeed. They might not look as impressive as a fast and flashy one, but in a competition technique and performance is what the judges are looking for, and that is why she beats Chris.
Psychosis
07-01-2009
Also, how many times do we see Frankie just standing still and twitching her hip on the ice while watching Chris show off with a move such as the axel - which as I recall was his choice, no? The contestants seem to have a lot of say in their routines. If things aren't going right they change it, and if they want to add something, they do. Suzanne also was the one to decide to do the headbanger. Chris for example insisted on doing the axel in the christmas special, which then left Frankie with nothing to do there. Suzanne insisted on doing the (forgive my lack of technical terms) cartwheel thing in the christmas special, which Christopher Dean even refused to help them with.
lilyscent
07-01-2009
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“From what has been said on previous series - T&D choreograph a very basic routine for each celeb which is then developed and embellished by their pro skater - sort of like what the SCD pros do. T&D haven't got the time to do up to 13 polished individual routines week in week out nor can they supervise all of the training which goes on near where the celebs live and work.

The celebs themselves have a fair amount of say in what we actually see on the night. Remember that it was Bonnie and Lisa who actually wanted to include the headbanger in their routines - and Greg wanted to do 7 or 8 jumps in his - and John Barrowman wanted to do difficult moves in his - we saw them having their say in the VTs before they skated, and they got to do what they had asked to.

From what we saw Chris doing last year - he quite clearly had a LOT of say into what went on in his routines. As he was filming Hollyoaks (up North) during the series he would have done his training up there and I don't think T&D had much say in how his routines developed. I stand by what I said - Frankie's presence in most of their routines was an optional extra. All of the others skated WITH their partners, holding hands or apart - Chris and Frankie were two solo skaters on the rink at the same time in many cases.

Suzanne, Clare and Kyran can all skate technically excellent and easy on the eye routines which they make LOOK easy. It is far more difficult to skate slow controlled routines than those which have the couples racing around the rink at 90 mph. Suzanne in particular has excellent technique and does VERY difficult routines indeed. They might not look as impressive as a fast and flashy one, but in a competition technique and performance is what the judges are looking for, and that is why she beats Chris.”

Actually Chris did a lot of his training down south, travelling down after he'd worked a 12hr day in Hollyoaks. Even Keiron Bracken said on the Christmas Special VT that \chris Dean gives you more & more complicated moves the better skater you get. It would be very boring if everybody stuck to the same routines
Pinkelephant99
07-01-2009
I will never understand how the girl skaters are credited with doing the lifts but the guys are hardly ever credited for holding them up there! Not only do they need to learn to skate, they have to learn to lift. So I would hardly call Frankie an 'optional extra', seeing as Chris performed some very difficult lifts including a Drake lift in week 2!
Personally I thought Frankie and Chris had a great partnership, they always reminded of like a pair of teenagers just having fun on the ice and I was absolutely convinced of a partnership even if they weren't always holding hands and gazing into each others eyes like so many of the others did. It was something a bit refreshing. But that's just my opinion and when it comes to Suzanne and Chris, the arguments will always be subjective.
Psychosis
08-01-2009
Originally Posted by Pinkelephant99:
“I will never understand how the girl skaters are credited with doing the lifts but the guys are hardly ever credited for holding them up there! Not only do they need to learn to skate, they have to learn to lift. So I would hardly call Frankie an 'optional extra', seeing as Chris performed some very difficult lifts including a Drake lift in week 2!”

But, again, this is an ice dance competition. Just like in Strictly Come Dancing, I'm not going to credit someone for a great display of weight lifting if they don't dance.

Chris and Frankie's routines come across as "Chris chases Frankie. Frankie stands still and watches Chris show off. Chris runs over and heaves Frankie onto his shoulder. Chris puts Frankie down and runs away from her."

Quote:
“Personally I thought Frankie and Chris had a great partnership, they always reminded of like a pair of teenagers just having fun on the ice and I was absolutely convinced of a partnership even if they weren't always holding hands and gazing into each others eyes like so many of the others did. It was something a bit refreshing. But that's just my opinion and when it comes to Suzanne and Chris, the arguments will always be subjective.”

It's funny you should say that about their partnership. Off the ice I thought they were great friends, witty and fun together. On the ice... absolutely emotionless and a poor fit (just my opinion there).

On the ice I thought Suzanne and matt were a beautiful pairing, soulful, emotional and strong. Off the ice I thought they barely acknowledged each other's existence, and every time I watch back Suzanne getting her 30s, it bugs me that she stands there laughing and posing into the camera, ignoring Matt's efforts until he practically drags her to look at him.
laur_od
08-01-2009
she was just completely in shock for most of the sixes. She's is always leaning into or hugging him and she always looks at him after the scores extremely affectionately. They came across as a complete team off they ice, the interviews were always the two of them and she purposefully involved him and mentioned him in things. When matt speaks about her immediately get the feeling he absolutely adores her.it never showed all the fun they had on the vts, it drove karen mad in training cos theyd start messing n she called suzi the giggler.He asked people to vote for her as celeb mum because he felt she deserved it and he gushes about her when he speAks. They also did several magazine interviews together and he flew back from the states to see her in Chicago. They are exceptionally close and good friends off the ice and I for one think you can completely see that on and off the ice. They adore each other in the Xmas special she turns immediately to him, lots of people have said they are like a mutual appreciation society. She always has her head on his shoulder, they always really hug n after several routines you can see her thanking him. They've both spoken alot on n off the show about how close they are. The photos of matt n suzy after her winning with her family n son are wonderful. Also notice how it much the banners n tshirts all recognized matt, suzanne always says the pros aren't recognized enough. They had alot of fun on the show but unfortunately they never focused on it for the vts, though you can see some clips on the itv site n things they say on their websites. Also they never stopped joking on the tour.
surfie
10-01-2009
Originally Posted by lilyscent:
“Actually Chris did a lot of his training down south, travelling down after he'd worked a 12hr day in Hollyoaks. Even Keiron Bracken said on the Christmas Special VT that \chris Dean gives you more & more complicated moves the better skater you get. It would be very boring if everybody stuck to the same routines”

So why didn't Chris give Kyran better routines with jumps, after all you could call Kyran at least as semi pro
given he performs regularly, and even took over Robin Cousins role of Romanza in the Holiday on Ice Tour.

I think Chir's routines, along with Suzannes were chosen not to show them up against Kyran and Clare, hence maybe even why Clare had a new partner in Paval and not skating with Andrei with at least whom she had some understanding with when skating and could have in my opinion put on a better performance with him.

As for Chris he was por on the night and made at least two very visable errors. In truth had he skated first he might not have got such as high score as he did and may have even been behind Kyran.

Chris to me is a show off who skates in a look at me and how good I am manner, and doesn't do as much with his partner as some one the other does. It a problem endemic in certain Hollyoaks stars who think they are the big I am because they have gotten a little exposure only to find when they leave they are not as big as they think they are.
lilyscent
10-01-2009
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Originally Posted by surfie:
“So why didn't Chris give Kyran better routines with jumps, after all you could call Kyran at least as semi pro
given he performs regularly, and even took over Robin Cousins role of Romanza in the Holiday on Ice Tour.

I think Chir's routines, along with Suzannes were chosen not to show them up against Kyran and Clare, hence maybe even why Clare had a new partner in Paval and not skating with Andrei with at least whom she had some understanding with when skating and could have in my opinion put on a better performance with him.

As for Chris he was por on the night and made at least two very visable errors. In truth had he skated first he might not have got such as high score as he did and may have even been behind Kyran.

Chris to me is a show off who skates in a look at me and how good I am manner, and doesn't do as much with his partner as some one the other does. It a problem endemic in certain Hollyoaks stars who think they are the big I am because they have gotten a little exposure only to find when they leave they are not as big as they think they are.”

If you think Chris Fountain was a showoff which in my opinion he isn't, wait until you see Ray Quinn skating !!! I was lucky enough to be at the dress rehearsal last night & they might as well give him the winners trophy now. Chris may have had a slight advantage when the show started, but the others caught him up as obviously he didn't win. The difference between Ray and the other male skaters is like Aggie and Suzanne already, there is NO WAY he is a novice skater
laur_od
10-01-2009
I like the aggie and suzanne comparison, god bless aggie, she was a scream, i think dividing the shows up the first week your gonna lose alot of the fun but their trying to get the weak ones out first but i dont think it will, i think we'll end up seeing the average skaters that arent that well known like say donal or zoe going the first weeks
conchie
10-01-2009
Originally Posted by lilyscent:
“IIf you think Chris Fountain was a showoff which in my opinion he isn't, wait until you see Ray Quinn skating !!! I was lucky enough to be at the dress rehearsal last night & they might as well give him the winners trophy now. Chris may have had a slight advantage when the show started, but the others caught him up as obviously he didn't win. The difference between Ray and the other male skaters is like Aggie and Suzanne already, there is NO WAY he is a novice skater”

ohh very exciting to hear you went to the rehearsal. Sounds very interesting that Ray Quinn is top notch skater already. Can you tell us if you saw the girls skate or was it just the boys. Any other titbits very welcome !!! Did Chris skate... would be interesting to know.
lilyscent
11-01-2009
Originally Posted by conchie:
“ohh very exciting to hear you went to the rehearsal. Sounds very interesting that Ray Quinn is top notch skater already. Can you tell us if you saw the girls skate or was it just the boys. Any other titbits very welcome !!! Did Chris skate... would be interesting to know.”

It was just the boys skating Friday night, they introduced the girls on stage where Philip does the interviews, and they sat with their partners all through the show watching their routines encouraging them. Don't want to tell you about Chris and spoil it for you!
conchie
11-01-2009
Originally Posted by lilyscent:
“It was just the boys skating Friday night, they introduced the girls on stage where Philip does the interviews, and they sat with their partners all through the show watching their routines encouraging them. Don't want to tell you about Chris and spoil it for you!”

I take it thats a YES Don't worry, I am one of those people who doesn't mind knowing it all ahead of time.
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