Judgement of what's right and wrong often is a difference of opinion. In the end, you have to work out whether your chosen mode of behaviour will get you where you want to go in life. Being a bad loser is not universally acceptable. That's not a matter of opinion, that's a fact.

I suppose what's normal in your circles might not be normal in other circles, but if you have no ambitions to move outside your own circle then I suppose you have no need for universal acceptability.

No, probably not considering that the whole thing was rigged from the outset.

As far as I was concerned, Kyran and Mel were by far the best on the programme. But they could only get third best marks because it was being hyped up as 'Chris v Suzanne - The Re-Match'.

Chris' routine was full of mistakes, Jason was spot on with his assessment (as he was with Clare). Suzanne's routine was perfectly done, but boring. Kyran's was both interesting, entertaining and without obvious errors as far as I could see. He's been skating with Holiday on Ice, he's bound to be better than the other two, but the Rigged Reality bosses have obviously told him he has to play third fiddle. He probably isn't that bothered, he seems to be enjoying himself regardless. But for the viewer, this Cult of Chris and Suzanne spoilt the programme, IMO.

Thanks for everyone pointing out what awful people my friends are. Really that was lovely of you. I'll stick to the appreciation threads I think. Sorry for posting my opinion.

Here we go with conspiracy theories...
Kyran himself said several times he made mistakes, as did mel and after they both bascially said oh well thats the best we could have done... So I dont have to tell you there were mistakes, Kyran himself did, he did very well now and i thought he was far better than chris, he was the closest to suzi i felt, fully deserved to come second on the leader board, how chris finished above him is beyond me, the sixes chris got are beyond me...
Also I wouldnt take the comments about your mates to heart, the opinion of 1 poster isnt that of everyone. And i certainly didnt have a go at your friends.

No but his routine was more challenging than Suzanne's so it should even out in the scores.

You are the person who first pointed out what lovely people your friends are

I said there were no obvious mistakes. I am not a skating expert, I just watch for the entertainment and I happened to find Kyran by far the most entertaining.
As for conspiracy theory, they had pre-recorded inserts of Chris saying 'I'm gonna beat you Suzanne, you're going down' etc etc, or whatever it was, this wouldn't have had half the impact later on if he hadn't got as high a mark as Kyran... so the judges marked him higher than Kyran to rack up the 're-match' tension. At least Jason was allowed to speak honestly, though.

Jason's the best panellist by far, he tells it as it is, and he's very often spot on with it.

They are lovely people but they are also human and they make mistakes. Which is the point I was trying to make. Chris' behaviour wasn't great but the last time I checked he hadn't done anything truely awful.

I'm sorry but I don't like the fact that you belittled my social circles. I believe in being fair to everyone and that was what I was trying to do because everyone was sticking the knife in Chris. I feel your comment was uncalled for, that's all.

As far as I'm aware those vts were shown to the audience live that night, because you could hear them react to it esp the one where chris dean said the beating jane was a forgone conclusion. And well there was mistakes in kyrans, there werent in suzannes, though i personally agree with you that kyrans were not a bad as chris' and should have come above him.
We aren't sticking the knife into anyone, he was just undefensibly bad mannered, and bad manners should not be defended no matter how much you like someone. Saying that someone didnt behave badly when they did isnt being fair, its rose tinted glasses.

I know you dislike Chris heavily. And you dislike anyone who doesn't like Suzanne or who doesn't think she automatically deserves 30 every time she steps on the ice. But if you could look past that and actually read my posts. I said his behaviour wasn't great by any standards but he is human and humans aint perfect. He made a mistake.

And I think saying things about me and my friends is rude and bad mannered but you all defended yourselves.

Ok your getting way too personal with this now... Half of my most of my posts including that last one, werent adressed to you at all mate... I've said very little to you in fact and the things i have ive considered conversational, i think you've gotten the wrong tone which is a problem with typing and also ive never ever said anything against you or your friends and but i apologise if you have gotten the wrong impression that i have as that was unintended.
firstly, though i found his experience a bit unfair and i find him smug when he skates sometimes and find his skating a bit chunky and that he doesnt connect with frnakie and think he behaved like an ass the other night, does n was to say that the other night he made himself look a t**t. That mean i dislike him, i dont know the bloke. I dont think ive ever been mean or rude about him personally at all, this I think is the first time ive spoken about him personally, other times its been about his skating, and that was because i was dissappointed with him. The rudest thing i think ive ever said about Chris, because i dont like all the mud slinging between suzi and chris fans and think its very unneccesary and most of it is very rude and gets way too personal about both of them. I do not heavily dislike chris at all, in fact i dont dislike him, He just doesnt put me up or down, i dont care for him one way or the other and thats completely different to disliking someone, I will acknowledge when he gives a good performace and stood up and cheered when i saw him on tour. I have no malice or ill wish to him whatsoever, unlike lots of people who want a contestant to fall on there face etc or are mean about them which is out of order.
Secondly that fact that i would dislike someone for a difference of opinion on an entertainment show is ridiculous... Thirdly ive never said anything about yourself or your mates, you should look at my posts again, and last i think you got my tone wrong, i merely i wasnt being unfair on him but thought that there was no defence for his behaviour.. I dont get why your taking the issue with me when i said not to take the post by some people about your mates to heart and that that isnt the opinion of everyone! I never even mentioned your friends or you... in fact i thought he pefect men thing was in good humour...
and I know people arent perfect, but i dont feel that is an excuse for behaviour and saying that isnt attacking chris, im more dissappointed in him and feel he needs to learn... your in the defensive and are getting the wrong tone, re read the posts and i think you'll find im not attacking you or your mates one bit, i think your confusng posts made by others.

But how can someone like Chris who is either immature or appears immature and who is too intense, either suddenly become (more) mature or at least appear (more) mature, because they are not able to disguise their true feelings ?

No idea! lol. I think it's something you learn over time, if he is immature he might grow out of it and he will learn to react appropriately though some people never do. Some people need a jolt, I know some people at competitions that were very bad losers and behaved terribly and then saw a video of themselves and were horrified. I perhaps dont think this requires a big psyco-analysis or anything though, its just very unfortunate he behaved like that way and made himself look very silly. Its also unnfortunate for him he did it on national telly.

Chris reminds me of the gangs of lads who gather at ice rinks or wherever and seem tolove showing off to each other to see who can do whatever it is the fastest and best and don't seem to care if they annoy other punters around.

I didn't like him last year as I thought his very obvious previous SKATING ability was too much of an advantage - whatever anyone says about the differences between ice hockey and fiure skating disciplines, the basic skills (standing up, skating forward and skating backward etc) are fundamental to both. All of his routines last year showed that he was already an ultra confident skater from the word go, and seemed choreographed to showcase his abilty to skate fast alone and how much further on he was than all the others.

He was the only one who never really worked WITH his partner - the other competiors like Zaaraah, Suzanne and even Greg and Aggie skated with their pros doing what the show is supposed to be about - ice dancing - beforehand. Suzanne and Matt, and Kyran and Mel both did controlled synchronised routines, and IMHO, Kyran should have finished ahead of Chris. The stumbles would be automatically penalised in any proper competition so there should have been no perfect scores for Chris anyway.

But whatever - he should learn to lose with a better grace - in public anyway

I've always been a bit hot and cold with Chris. He can pull off some fantastic routines, but his attitude frequently stinks, and he let himself down on the Christmas special.

I'll overlook the comments in the VT, because they were clearly asked to say stuff like that, even if he did seem to get carried away. However, he was indignant that Jason dared to mention that he'd not landed the jump and a couple of other things. He seems to think he deserves the big marks just for trying the fancy stuff, but equally the judges should overlook his short-comings, which include some of the basics of ice-dance, such as actually dancing with your partner.

Frankie doesn't help the cause either. I don't know why she said that he'd only started to skate 18 months ago. We know that's not true, and even if you believe that years of hockey playing doesn't give any advantage, it's still skating! She also claimed that they did a lot of turns in synch. She wouldn't have been able to judge if they were in synch or not, but it struck me that they deliberately avoided doing anything in synch. Whenever Chris did some kind of fancy solo turn, Frankie should have been doing the same, but for some reason wasn't. The only logical reason I could come up with was because Chris doesn't have the precision or repeatability in his skating to risk it. With Frankie doing something totally different, we don't know if Chris got it right or not.

It was still a good routine and it is just a tv show, so it shouldn't really matter that Chris wasn't doing proper ice-dancing. However, because it is just a tv show, he needs to get a grip and stop being such a bad loser. He might be able to out-skate the likes of Duncan and Zaraah, but they both came out of the show with the better image.

I enjoyed the Christmas special but I struggle to like Chris' skating. I am old enough to remember a time before T&D and I love ice dancing. The partnership that links the 2 skaters just is not there with Chris and Frankie. I am sure Chris would be super entertaining if it was a competition for solo figure skating but I need to see a true connection as dance partners to enjoy a routine. I feel like Frankie is rushing round the rink chasing Chris not dancing with him.