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Old 05-01-2009, 12:33
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There are regular screw-ups with Sky's series linking, I am sure... I imagine TiVo's Season Pass does not get it 100% either...
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:48
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There are regular screw-ups with Sky's series linking, I am sure... I imagine TiVo's Season Pass does not get it 100% either...
The Humax is a lot better than sky for series linking and a lot better than the freeview PVRs I tried.

Say for example Horizon, megastructures or Top trumps would have a different word in the title each week, Sky and Freeview would see this as a different series but the Humax would record it correctly, I havent seen it mess up a series link yet.
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:53
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The Humax is a lot better than sky for series linking and a lot better than the freeview PVRs I tried.

Say for example Horizon, megastructures or Top trumps would have a different word in the title each week, Sky and Freeview would see this as a different series but the Humax would record it correctly, I havent seen it mess up a series link yet.
I've found series link on Sky incredibly reliable, never seems to miss anything - can't comment on Freeview, as my Humax 8000 doesn't have it.
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:04
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There are regular screw-ups with Sky's series linking, I am sure... I imagine TiVo's Season Pass does not get it 100% either...
Huh? Glitches in Sky's series link aree extremely rare. I can't remember the last time I had a problem. It's so utterly reliable that I stopped watching live TV a couple of weeks after I got it.

If you're experiencing series link failures on Sky then you have something wrong with your box or your watching some obscure niche broadcaster.

The Humax is a lot better than sky for series linking and a lot better than the freeview PVRs I tried.

Say for example Horizon, megastructures or Top trumps would have a different word in the title each week, Sky and Freeview would see this as a different series but the Humax would record it correctly, I havent seen it mess up a series link yet.
That's not my experience. I'm pretty sure that the Sky system uses the numeric programme ID. The EPG is assumed to since there have been cases where a recording ends up with the wrong title and description and this is attributed to IDs being recycled.

I think that in the several years that I've now had Sky+ there have been less than a dozen times when it failed. Given the extent to which I rely on it that's an incredible achievement.
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:06
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Having been a Sky=/HD customer from the start (if you want to see real rubbish get yourself a SkyHD box!) and the Humax HDR is streets ahead of SkyHD in terms of reliability and functionality.

Is the Humax HDR perfect - well no, but I am an early adopter and for a new product I am impressed.

My only bugbear is the delete functionality but with the other features and reliability compared with SkyHD I can live with the fact that I can't delete if the box is recording anything and the fact that their delete process is a bit long-winded.
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:06
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Anyway the problem I have with my 9200 can't be a broadcaster fault - or so I've been told. Apparently there is nothing in the Freeview Series Link specification that means 'end of series'. There is therefore no reason why a timer should dissappear from the planner until 13 weeks after the last recording.

FYI (if you have a 9200T): http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4721
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:15
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For those that understand what this means ... what does it mean.

All PVRs need to be switched on to be able to record... although they can also be in STANDBY.

HDR was off off not in warm off like it should be when waiting to record.
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:21
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It had no display, I suppose "warm off" is when the display lights up 15 mins before a recording starts.
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:28
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99.9% of these problems arise from duff series recording data from the broadcasters.
I have to agree Graham. Look at the fiasco of True Lies on ITV HD. No HD in the EPG even though it was in HD, only 1/2 the film in the EPG (the bit before the news). A failed recording in those circumstances is hardly the boxes fault and will occur irrepective of whether you're using Topfield, Humax or anyone else's box for that matter so long as it is reliant on EPG markers.

There are people on here who've missed the odd recording, I myself missed 1, but its still unclear if this is a minor box bug or a broadcasters EPG problem.

What is clear though, is that the OP is the only person here who has a box that won't record at all which means its either user error or a faulty box.

To draw the conclusion that the entire Humax HDR production is rubbish based on one faulty box is just angry stupidity talking not reasoned thinking especially when no-one else is having the same problem.

If the guy wants to sort himself out then he needs to look at:

1. Signal Quality

2. Factory Reset

3. Manual Firmware Update

4. Freesat Channel Scan

5. Recording section of manual / advice on recording from on here

If it then continues to fail, a replacement box is in order not an entire rubbishing of the company for 1 faulty box.
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:31
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It had no display, I suppose "warm off" is when the display lights up 15 mins before a recording starts.
I think warm off / standby is where the box is off but displaying the clock and the light on the front is blue. From this state the box can be started without booting.

Power saving / full off is where the light on the front of the box is red and the display is completely extinguished. In this state, if switched on, the box has to boot in order to work although it can record straight from this state as it will still boot to order from the epg which is still active.

The only way to render the box incapable of recording is to pull the plug out or switch off the wall socket.
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Old 05-01-2009, 13:42
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I think warm off / standby is where the box is off but displaying the clock and the light on the front is blue. From this state the box can be started without booting.

Power saving / full off is where the light on the front of the box is red and the display is completely extinguished. In this state, if switched on, the box has to boot in order to work although it can record straight from this state as it will still boot to order from the epg which is still active.
That's interesting. Are you referring only to the box readying itself for recording or more generally? Certainly, when my box is in standby, either with power saving (red glow only) or without (blue time display), bringing it out standby using the remote forces a full (30 second odd) boot. If it doesn't need to do that for recording, I can't see why it does for me to use it. Or have I Missed the point?
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Old 05-01-2009, 14:29
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It does need to do that for recording, thats why it will bring itself out of standby 15 mins before the program starts, to allow it to boot up.
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Old 05-01-2009, 14:53
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It does need to do that for recording, thats why it will bring itself out of standby 15 mins before the program starts, to allow it to boot up.
That was my understanding. I thought White-Knight was suggesting the box can be started from non-power saving (blue) standby without booting. "From this state the box can be started without booting."

It would be nice to avoid the long boot up when you're only turning it off for 10/15 minutes. Maybe one day...
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Old 05-01-2009, 15:06
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Just leave the box on then, I turn mine off when Im not going to use it for over an hour. I tend to not watch anything live any more and watch all the PVRed stuff in one go.
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Old 05-01-2009, 19:50
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It makes sense to me because I take the time and effort work out what other people contribute to the forum instead of making critical or juvenile comments.
If you have taken all that time and effort to work out what he means, why have you not helped him?
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Old 05-01-2009, 20:14
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The Humax is a lot better than sky for series linking and a lot better than the freeview PVRs I tried.

Say for example Horizon, megastructures or Top trumps would have a different word in the title each week, Sky and Freeview would see this as a different series but the Humax would record it correctly, I havent seen it mess up a series link yet.
Wrong Sky relies on ID data in the EPG in exactly the same way as the Humax (although data is in different EPG systems) and thus is reliant to the same extant as the Humax on the broadcaster setting that data correctly. I am fairly sure Freeview+ works in the same manner.
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Old 05-01-2009, 20:42
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Wrong Sky relies on ID data in the EPG in exactly the same way as the Humax (although data is in different EPG systems) and thus is reliant to the same extant as the Humax on the broadcaster setting that data correctly. I am fairly sure Freeview+ works in the same manner.
Dave, to be fair, you're correct about the onus of EPG input being on the broadcasters, but the series linking on the Freesat HDR so far works better than the Sky+ I had did. Both are considerably better than Sony's TVTV, which I use for the EyeTV, and which is a (albeit very cheap) paying service.
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Old 05-01-2009, 21:32
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Huh? Glitches in Sky's series link aree extremely rare. I can't remember the last time I had a problem. It's so utterly reliable that I stopped watching live TV a couple of weeks after I got it.
No problems, hey? Here's one thread: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=730750

Wrong Sky relies on ID data in the EPG in exactly the same way as the Humax (although data is in different EPG systems) and thus is reliant to the same extant as the Humax on the broadcaster setting that data correctly. I am fairly sure Freeview+ works in the same manner.
I have always thought Sky(+) paid a third party data collector to gather data for their Sky EPG (akin to what TiVo do for themselves). Maybe I've been mis-informed, as having just discovered this thread: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...29745-p-4.html - it seems to indicate that the EPG is open to broadcasters to inject their own data into... (So even on Sky+, the Series Record/Link data is down to the broadcasters...)

Or that this was the case and then they opened up their EPG system, and now have reverted to paying a third party to do it again... does anyone know the reality?
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Old 05-01-2009, 21:42
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Wrong Sky relies on ID data in the EPG in exactly the same way as the Humax (although data is in different EPG systems) and thus is reliant to the same extant as the Humax on the broadcaster setting that data correctly. I am fairly sure Freeview+ works in the same manner.
No Im right, if the data is wrong on the other EPGs, the boxes cant record properly. it isnt right on the other EPGs so they dont record properly.

You totally missed the point.
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Old 05-01-2009, 21:43
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Dave, to be fair, you're correct about the onus of EPG input being on the broadcasters, but the series linking on the Freesat HDR so far works better than the Sky+ I had did. Both are considerably better than Sony's TVTV, which I use for the EyeTV, and which is a (albeit very cheap) paying service.
It doesnt even look like hes got freesat so hes pretty ignorant on the EPG.

Both you and I have had experience with all 3 systems and agree the Freesat one (on the Humax in my case) is easily the better of the 3.
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Old 05-01-2009, 22:34
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One huge advantage of the freesat MHEG based EPG is that it is dynamic, and can be continually updated to accommodate timing changes down to the last minute, something that I don't think sky can do.

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Old 05-01-2009, 23:04
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That's interesting. Are you referring only to the box readying itself for recording or more generally? Certainly, when my box is in standby, either with power saving (red glow only) or without (blue time display), bringing it out standby using the remote forces a full (30 second odd) boot. If it doesn't need to do that for recording, I can't see why it does for me to use it. Or have I Missed the point?
For me if I have a recording pending turning off at the handset only results in a blue standby state not red. From this a restart of the box is instanteous with no boot required.

If I don't have a recording pending or if I subesquently press and hold off down on the box front again to get a red low power state, then the box has to boot before I can view a programme.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:38
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I didn't say 'no problems'. I said 'extremely rare'. They are. I've been relying on SL for years now.

I never, ever watch anything live. It's got to the point where I can hardly remember what channel things are on let alone what time. That's not senilty. It's due to my complete and total reliance on Series Link. I know how reliable it is because everything I watch is watched thanks to Series Link.

My view is that DTT and Sky SL are both equally reliable - although FreeView only in the last few months. A lot of people on the Hummy forums have issues with SL but I've found that it's reliable and accurate. My problem with FreeView is the Hummy's fault. If Humax would issue an upgrade for the 9200T I'd trust it implicitly like I do my Sky+.

I don't know about FreeSat yet because I'm using a PC and DVBViewer doesn't support series link yet (at least I don't think so). I would hope that FreeSat is as reliable as Sky and FreeView.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:45
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One huge advantage of the freesat MHEG based EPG is that it is dynamic, and can be continually updated to accommodate timing changes down to the last minute, something that I don't think sky can do.
Yes it can but it's down to the broadcasters.
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:02
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I didn't say 'no problems'. I said 'extremely rare'. They are. I've been relying on SL for years now.
Here's another rare Sky+ SL problem: http://digitalspy.org.uk/forums/show...php?p=28945723
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