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Old 11-01-2009, 01:47
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Hi was wondering if anyone would help me out im not an expert on blu-ray or hdtv so some help would be appriciated. I started to watch The Dark Knight on my ps3 no home cinema involved just my hdtv but my problem is whenever theres a gun going off or explosion etc its so loud on the tv that I have to turn it down but when I do I can hardly hear the dialouge is there a way to make everything play at the same level because its really distracting its happened on some other blurays to.

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Old 11-01-2009, 08:27
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Hi was wondering if anyone would help me out im not an expert on blu-ray or hdtv so some help would be appriciated. I started to watch The Dark Knight on my ps3 no home cinema involved just my hdtv but my problem is whenever theres a gun going off or explosion etc its so loud on the tv that I have to turn it down but when I do I can hardly hear the dialouge is there a way to make everything play at the same level because its really distracting its happened on some other blurays to.

Same here I have same problem, I dont have surround sound yet as waiting for wireless SS to become cheaper so at mo I watch BD just on the TV speakers and as you have said guns, music or explosions are too loud and I am always turning sound up and down which is a pain, I often leave subtitles on lol
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:43
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Do you have the PS3 Dynamic Range Control set to ON which will reduced the range of the audio and would work better with a TV.
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:49
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Hi was wondering if anyone would help me out im not an expert on blu-ray or hdtv so some help would be appriciated. I started to watch The Dark Knight on my ps3 no home cinema involved just my hdtv but my problem is whenever theres a gun going off or explosion etc its so loud on the tv that I have to turn it down but when I do I can hardly hear the dialouge is there a way to make everything play at the same level because its really distracting its happened on some other blurays to.

i noticed this with the dark knight, its funny you should say that. loads of noise but couldnt really hear the dialogue. i turned my home cinema off and it was better through the tv

all other blus fine though
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:59
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At the end of the day at least half the pleasure of BD is the HD sound formats which are designed to go through a HT system to give high quality lossless sound as the director intended. However you can of course just play it through a TV but you may need to alter some settings within the player menu to get best results.

Batman Dark Knight has an exceptionaly good HD soundtrack & sounds superb through my HT, and the dialogue audio can be clearly heard above the effects, it must therefore be something which is lost when it is played in plain stereo.
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:08
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The reason for this is down to the much wider dynamic range than normally experienced when playing music CDs or other non-digital devices.

Many systems have some kind of dynamic range restricter built in that you can utilise. And some TVs (I'm sure) also have a switcheable DR function buried deep inside a menu somewhere.

What you want to do is compress the dynamic range, so that everything has a similar volume level. But note these can't help make adverts quieter, as they work on the average dyanmic range of the programme to find a comfortable middle ground. So you're ultimately still going to have to chase your RC looking for the volume control.

You will have a lot of difficulty finding a consumer stand alone dynamic range controller - but they're used extensively in the professional music & advertising (to artificially increase the volume without inducing distortion by clipping) industry so that instruments and singers don't drown each other out, and to annoy purists (such as myself).
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Old 11-01-2009, 12:35
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i noticed this with the dark knight, its funny you should say that. loads of noise but couldnt really hear the dialogue. i turned my home cinema off and it was better through the tv

all other blus fine though
Dark Knight has one of the best soundtracks going - it sounded fantastic through my system. IMO it's mixed to perfection.

I have the volume so the dialogue is clearly heard, then I just let the system take over for the special FX, the FX are normally much louder than dialogue, that's the way it should be for realism.

I can only think you haven't calibrated the system correctly, speaker levels, delays etc, especially if you are of the opinion the TV sounded better.

What system do you have and what procedures did you go through to calibrate/set it up?
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Old 11-01-2009, 14:03
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iamme,
I'm betting this has nothing to do with HD sound tracks - the reason being that most TVs don't decode standard DD & DTS let alone the HD Audio formats. I think this is due to the sound settings on the PS3 and possibly the TV too. I'd also be you are using HDMI for picture & sound.

It sounds to me like you are listening to just the front left & right sound track from the 5.1 output, i.e. you are missing the centre channel for dialogue - hence why the voices are hard to hear, and your TV speakers are just playing the front L & R which is where there's far more effects and only a small amount of dialogue.

To fix this what you need to do is change the PS3 audio output settings. You want the console to down mix 5.1 to a stereo mix and output it over the HDMI. Somebody more familiar with the console will be able to help with exactly how to do this.

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Old 11-01-2009, 17:35
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The sound on The Dark Knight isn't much to be raved about anyway- good but not the ultimate best. Its not a very good sound mix and is different to the cinema.- The Jokers theme is louder in the cinema than the BD.

I wouldn't say I have noticed this problem via a surround system although the explosion etc are loud. The Dark Knight is a bass heavy sound track that can be said.

Best sound i have heard on Bluray is Casino Royale- punchy orchestra and effects.
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Old 11-01-2009, 20:31
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The sound on The Dark Knight isn't much to be raved about anyway- good but not the ultimate best. Its not a very good sound mix and is different to the cinema.- The Jokers theme is louder in the cinema than the BD.
I'm very surprised you didn't rate this soundtrack

This is the opinion of one respected online reviewer, I must say I would have to agree as it was exactly what I experienced.

Warner unleash The Dark Knight onto Blu-ray with a reference quality TrueHD track that rises to the challenge of bringing one of the most incredible, pumping, immersive and detailed soundtracks of the year to the home market.

The sound design, much like the first film, is bass-heavy and geared for all-channel usage right from the get-go. At the flicks, it was easy to pick out the moments that would sound great on disc but what you possibly didn't notice was the discrete and subtle elements that were smuggled in along with the chaos, all of which are picked out and clearly rendered with this lossless track. The high points are too many to mention, but you can't go wrong with the Batmobile's sudden gate-crashing arrival at the Scarecrow's gathering, or fail to be ultra-wowed by the SWAT-van sequence, with a tumbling Tumbler, lots of high-calibre firing, more crunching metal than a Transformers smack-down and the incredible roaring introduction of the Bat-pod.

Split-channel effects abound throughout the movie. Voices and gunfire echo around the soundstage with tremendous aggression. Poor Harvey sitting in the back of that SWAT van may not feel reassured when some mighty big dents (or should that be Dents) hammer away at its flimsy hide, but you can rest assured that the ballistic broadside packs some real heft. Objects and vehicles that happen to be in the path of the racing Batpod get blasted out of the way with incredibly directionalised oomph – distant cars rising up in flames sound genuinely further back, whilst glass walls and alleyway-junk are more immediately placed before and around us. The roaring of the pod's engine also helps to have you weaving from side to side as Batman veers through an arcade. and the sound of the Sky-Hooking plane comes overhead with real presence, thrumming across the ceiling. Shattering glass is eminently dispersed around the soundscape, too. Rejoice, boom-boom-fans, this is a strong, loud and powerful mix that is not as dominated by the score as it frequently sounded at the flicks – every single element of the soundtrack has its correct spatial position. Nothing is ever drowned out, submerged or dwarfed by anything else. Whatever the audio chaos going on around it, dialogue is always clear and distinct and realistically steered – a quiet, reflective voice by a child’s bedside, the haunting speech from both Batman and Jim Gordon at that emotional climax and, oh yeah, that little rasping lick of the lips that the Joker does.

The snap of Marino's shin-bones, the intimate crunch of a bottle swung at Batman, the fizz of electric shocks – emanating from the bank vault and Batman's little suit booby-trap – the ringing of a mobile phone, etc, etc … all completely pin-sharp, excellently placed and totally believable. The sub-action – including Batman's voice, eh – is staggeringly effective. There are way too many superlative, bar-raising examples to list here, since every impact has a solid weight of power behind it. But, let's face it, William Fichtner's (yep, the great William Fichtner as that ballsy mobster-cum-bank manager) shotgun booming out during the robbery, the incredible, floor-shifting series of explosions that tear the hospital apart, the incendiary death-traps that kill and maim Bruce's nearest and dearest, just about every vehicular crunch and crash and Batman landing on the roof of Scarecrow's van - all offer some of the best LFE. currently decorating any disc.

And the rear support is frequently active and always authentic with its catalogue of discrete noises and ambience and the carrying of panning effects – vehicles, gunshots, crowd movement etc.

I think you get the point, don't you? The Dark Knight sounds as near to perfect as you can possibly get it.

Enjoy.
http://www.avforums.com/movies/index...diareview=9540

My understanding of HD audio via BD was to give as close to the original mix as possible, courtesy of it's lossless format.

If you were referring to std DVD then I would have probably agreed.

I suppose it's down to personal opinion and system used.
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Old 11-01-2009, 21:47
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Kind of getting a little OT guys. The OP says iamme only has a regular TV not a cinema system.
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Old 23-04-2009, 00:37
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hello im sorry to bring up an old thread but I still havent got this sorted it's still the same. I wondered if anyone as figured out way yet of making the sound levels the same from the ps3 to the tv?
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Old 23-04-2009, 10:12
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I have said the very same thing whilst watching Dark Knight Blu Ray through my PS3 with 5.1 optical surround sound through my Amp.
The action surround sound effects are great, but you cant hear the dialogue very well.
So its not just you iamme.
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Old 23-04-2009, 12:36
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Is it only this film? I could hardly understand any dialogue in this film at the cinema, I just assumed it was a bad set up (The Rex - Berkhamstead)
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