It happened on x- factor with Daniel Evans, then Strictly with John Sargeant, now after last years protracted appearance by Aggy whatsername now we have Todd cant even stand up on ****ing ice Carty going to be voted in week after week.

Come on voting public GROW UP !!

Anyone would think we're voting for the elections or something actually serious and not for the purposes of entertainment.

I don't think he'll last to long tbh, after all Aggie only made it to qeek 4 last year didn't she?
I think once we get to week 3 and they mix the girls and guys I don't think he'll last much longer.
But I don't actually mind Todd, at the end of the day it's about taking part and learning a new skill. He's always said that he can't skate and can't dance, but at least he's getting out there and having a go. I think that sums up what the show is about tbh.

It happens on every reality show, a genuinly talented person go's at the expense of someone who get's battered by the judges and are seen as a bit of a underdog.

I just hope the GBP wise up this time and vote for talent. Todd may improve though.

We're entitled to vote for whoever we want to. That's why there was a number to vote for Todd, as well as one to vote for Ray. Personally, I'm not supporting either Todd or Ray but I'm not objecting to the way the public vote turned out, it's part of what the programme is about.

I can't understand the mentality of viewers who think so one-dimensionally about shows like Strictly and DOI.

There is a lot to admire about the contestants but how naturally gifted they are in a particular skill is only one aspect of the show. Infact, as admirable as that is, I find it more admirable to see someone who clearly has no natural talent stepping up and having a go; they are great role-models for the more average among us.

Now to be honest, I anticipate Donal to be the "giving it a go" star, at least among the male contestants, but Todd deserves to be applauded too. While I wont vote for him, I do not begrudge the fact he wasnt in the dance off last week and will be cheering on his wooden skating legs this sunday...albeit from a hands-covering-face position

Agree with everything you've just said

Me too!

^^^Fourthed!!

I don't mind any of them taking part - as long as the judges score them fairly. Then if the public vote keeps some one in, then so be it - a good skater will still win in the end.

If the viewers followed the judges score then the useless ones would'nt go through each week.

When will those who bleat about it wake up to the fact the producers know full well viewers are going to vote for the person Jason hates to get then through each week because they hate Jason. Why for then waste money on someone we all know full well isn't going to make it to the final anyhow and vote for those who have a chance. It will improve Dancing on Ice No ends at it will put more pressure on the favourites to be better as not to get voted into the skate off and maybe improve performances.

The problem is that they get the casting wrong and are too addicted to the no hoper who gets an anti-judge vote gimick.The public compounds that by not getting rid of the no hoper early enough. A no hoper is fine if you have lots of expendable not very good people to go instead until the public finally leaves the no hoper in the bottom two. The problem comes when you have lots of potentially good people and no one really expendable and the no hoper hangs around. This series they seem to have lots of forgettable males but may be in danger of losing females who might prove good too early - not least when they make it more likely by having a single sex week.

DOI seems to be in a more difficult situation here as they probably don't get enough people in the right categories showing up. This year looks as if they may have too many in the starting very good with pre-experience band and too few girls in the expendable not very promising bands.They have some people who have potential but look nearly all female, they are a long way behind where Ray is and because they are similar may split the same vote and leave too early.

Ideally they may need someone to start good, a couple of bad skaters to go early, a lot of expendable ones, someone to emerge from behind as the challenger and a couple of others who are good enough to get near to the top two and good enough to get enough votes to stay. This series looks too heavy and predictable at the top and has too many girls who might come third or even catch the top two but may not survive that long. Saving one of Ray and Jessica and a couple of Roxanne. Gemma ,Melinda and Zoe for next year and replacing them with someone less good might might make a better race.

In essence you had something like that last year. And also the scoring under marked compared to series two when there where quite a few getting over 20 from the start. In series two also you have Clare getting good marks from the start, having a period of going up and down on the judges scores while Kyran steadily got better and better marks each week.

It's a shame though that on occassion there are those who are good but not popular with the public get voted into the skate off at the expense of those who are hopeless.

I personally dont care about the rubbish celebrities until somebody good goes out instead of them.

For example, I didnt consider John Sargent a problem until Cherie Lunghi went out - because she was miles better than him. When he was beating out the likes of Andrew Castle and Mark Foster, it made no difference, because they werent to much better than John anyway.

Same with Todd - its not as if Graham Le Saux was awesome - if he was, then id be annoyed.

Viewers who care about the quality of the skating are not thinking any more 1-dimensionally than ones who are more interested in seeing "someone who clearly has no natural talent stepping up and having a go."

IMO, poor skaters are fine, so long as they steadily improve. If not, and they're being kept in just to annoy the judges or because people dislike the good skaters for some reason, then that is a problem.

Of course it's the same old story and it will continue to be for as long as shows like this are in existence. Telling the voting public to grow up won't change a thing. You'll just annoy people - or maybe that was the point...?

I thought that GLS showed potential and I was really annoyed he went. I thought that the bottom 2 should really have been Todd and Donal.

But there we go its the same every time.

To be honest though I think Aggi only got to week 4 because she was being carried by Sergei, I would think that Todd will struggle as he won't be able to do any lifts.

I hope he gets better for next weekend.

i agree, he deserved to leave much more than graeme le saux ( who was my fave ! ). but what i like about him is that he was so gracious after getting those awful scores, saying he'd had an amazing night and all that. aww

The two can be equally enjoyable though. The most entertaining acts for me last week were Ray and Todd; one a natural, one a dud. I also enjoy someone improving - I already mentioned that for me Donal was the star in that particular class. (EDIT: And Ellory got my personality vote! See how diverse my tastes are lol).

If you want a quality skating show then DOI isnt the place to find it. Even Kyran Bracken, who for me has been the most entertaining of contestants on DOI, had poor reviews of his show skating once he "turned professional" because he is then being judged against true professionals and came up short.

This is an amateur show about people learning a skill that is more often than not far out of their reach. If you cant enjoy that, along with the naturals and the greatly improved, then you will not appreciate all the show has to offer.

And at the end of the say, there is no status to winning the competition so it hardly matters if it is best man or best personality or best improved who wins. The contestants who will be touring are already contracted, the tv show is just one huge promo to put bums on seats. But I dont mind as it is the best advert on ITV


@ thenetworkbabe. I think what I have just written clarifies how I feel, so I dont think it fair of you to suggest people have an agenda when voting - e.g. anti-judge vote. Some of us are happy to encompass the diversity of the show. If the contestants all had more or less equal potential I would be bored silly with it and I dare say so would the majority of the viewers.

You totally miss the point though. Dancing on Ice is a comptition as well as entertainment. If people who are just unable to even stand on a pair of skates are voted thogh it ultimately spoils the enjoyment and credibility of the program as the judges and the ice dancing becomes irrelevent and it becomes a pure personality competition.

The program is called "Dancing on Ice" Did Todd dance on ice or was he pulled around by his partrner?

why does it spoil the entertainment though?
I personally found it awkward to see him skate but apparently a lot of people enjoyed watching him try.
I personally really enjoyed Donal skating - never seen him before in my life but he had a really good attitude and did a really good performance.
It won't ever become a pure personality competition. All ice dance competitions are popularity competitions to some degree. As well as the technical skating side of things they have to have the performance side of things which is where personality comes into it or the personality of who they are trying to portray on the ice.

Take this years Strictly - Tom Chambers wasn't the best dancer in the final but he was by far the best performer. His show dance was just phenomenal.

At the moment Todd doesn't have either but he may well grow and improve by next week when we get to see him skate again.

Tom won it before he danced the show dance . He won the three public votes before the final one dancing poorly and was outdanced on all 3 otehr dances in the final which was when the votes were coming in. The only conclusion is that a female audience finds a male figure doing a ham loveable lothario act entertaining and thats more to do with sex than entertainment.

You just can't have a credible competion when half the audience are marking on comedy value, against the judges or on looks or sex appeal and the other half are voting on difficulty, excitement, effort and interpretation. Its true that some good people make the end usually on SCD and DOI but its sometimes completely random whether the best competitors get there. The result is finals that are weaker than they should have been and incredible winners particularly on SCD. DOI managed to avoid that in 2007 and 2008 but there's a lot of potential for things going badly wrong this year with well known jokey males and a batch of females who are better but similar enough to split their vote.

The trick is to have contenders who clearly are expendable (and dull enough not to be that popular) and people who might be good enough to do well and people who stand out. If as you say they are all similar its no wonder if the public vote can't sort them out. The DOI problem I think is that they just can't go out and find 3 hopeless, 4 poor, 3 interesting with potential . 2 competiitive and 1 frontrunner. They have to take what turns up. 3 hopeless but loveable, 4 poor, 5 with potential and 2 clear front runners though may be a problem if its all you can find as you may end up with the obvious frontrunners and the contenders who can't contend.

The anti-judge vote is an anti-judge vote. Its now turning up on every reality show and its even turning up in polls when people are asked why they voted as they did. According to one poll (Sun if I recall) 60% of JS voters on SCD identified themselves as voting for him to annoy the judges or in sympathy with the worst performer. 40% had some other reason, but 20% of the overall vote voting anti-judge explains events in many recent talent shows.

I know Tom won it on other performances before the show dance but you can't say he didn't deserve to win.

Yes, Rachel and Lisa were always dancing better than him and better technically but i found them as i expect most people did as incredibly boring and then there was Tom who was a very good dancer but with heart and soul and passion in the dance and you felt that whereas with Rachel you didn't.

I felt the same way about Suzanne last year, she was the best skater but she just left me feeling cold after every single performance, which is why i liked Chris and particularly Greg who put his heart and soul into it.