Jane and Chris did say tonight that they choreograph the routines according to what the celeb is capable of. Therefore if one person has a hard routine, Chris and Jane were confident they could do it and if it was a simple routine it was because (based presumably on watching them practice) they didn't think they would get through the dance otherwise.

Psychosis Having rewatched and specifically counted, I can conclusively say that the time they spent being carried, standing still, or pushed by their partner without havnig to move is as follows:

Roxanne - 40 seconds
Gemma - 25 seconds

Not sure what on earth any of these timings have to do with anything at all. Surely you just watch the performance not make notes with a stopwatch as to how long they are in contact with the ice. It is the overall impression that stays with you.

Roxanne's VT was far less harsh.

I thought Roxanne's dancing had a much softer quality

People were saying that Gemma was carried and Roxanne had more skating. I was pointing out for a fact that Roxanne was carried more.

I don't think there was any evidence that Zaarah could do any more. One moderate lift per routine was about her limit. I suspect that Claire could do Suzanne's routines as Claire was near on marks and could do all the big lifts but Zaraah just isn't in that league. If you gave Zoe Claire or Suzanne's routines her head would be 4 inches below the floor so you have to tailor routines to ability and size.

I thought Gemma and Melinda were both very under-marked.

I thought Gemma was definitely better than Melinda and probably fairly equal to Roxanne. I think her VT probably finished her off - I'm sure the whole Soap Vixen face-off was engineered by the producers to get some "tension" going and she was only answering questions put to her but it did put her across in a fairly negative way - far too opinionated for a Hollyoaks actress who had a very short stay in Eastenders playing a carbon copy of her Hollyoaks character.

Shame really as I think she could have improved more so than Melinda and Colleen.

I thought they were obviously joking in the "soap vixen" clip; but between that and (more) the rest of her VT, she made the mistake of sounding too much like she wanted to win. It didn't bother me, but the VT seems to have turned a fair number against her.

I agree.

If you watch back Melinda tripped just as much as Gemma. Plus Melinda and Coleen were basically pushed and pulled around which gave them their momentum.

I have to say that on the first watch I thought that Gemma was carried, or pushed or pulled, for most of the routine. She didn't do anything on her own. And so when it was her and Melinda in the dance-off I remember saying that Melinda did more on her own. Watching it for the second time in the dance-off... she didn't. Both were probably 'in contact' with their partner (either holding on or being carried) for roughly the same amount of time.

However, Gemma's performance definitely underwelmed me, and left me quite disappointed, considering how much she obviously loved the programme. Apart from Coleen, I do feel she gave the worst performance of the night - perhaps the nerves just got to her, and considering Coleen's popularity I wasn't surprised when she left!

I think she probably scored badly because her skating was poor. Even when she was off the ice and her partner was lifting her she lurched about like a ship in a gale. The "soap vixen face off" nonsense probably didn't help, either, and it all seemed to be coming from Gemma. I saw no sign of this special rivalry from Roxanne, which suggested to me that it was Gemma's idea rather than the TV company. In her VT Roxanne seemed more focused on actually learning to stay upright than on scoring sixes and lifting the trophy, and her performance on the ice was much smoother. Same with Melinda.

I think there had been so much hype about the soap rivals and then we got some very tentative skating. Roxanne looked petrified and hesitant and Gemma I thought lumbered around a bit and lacked grace. I was really expecting alot more from the girls

And no doubt they expected more of themselves.

They'll be gutted they didn't live up to your expectations.....

I said exactly the same last night. Way undermarked and she was given a quite a technical routine compared to Roxy. As far as been carried around, i dont think she was carried around any more than the other girls.

Melinda and Gemma both skated alot better the 2nd time around but i do think she was better than coleen and roxy definatly.

I have to say though what an absolute idiot Jason is. He was embarrassing last night. Not to mention PLAIN CRUEL! i know hes the harshest critic on the panel but he always has to step over the line and get personal with people and he had a right dig at poor Gemma saying she was all mouth and he wanted to see action.
Erm ..... nerves ......talking for england?! Why couldnt he just brush it off as her excitement and age rather than be nasty about it.

Why dont judges grow some common sense - knock a person down over & over and it eventually dents their confidence and certainly wont bring the best out in them. Not to mention its a pretty dangerous sport so you dont really want unconfident people performing head bangers!

I thought she was marked fairly. She was really bad.

lol well done i wont argue with you cause i cant be bothered to watch it again.

I wonder how many people will be sat with their stop watches next sat night ha ha

My immediate thought after Gemma had finished was 'she wasn't great, but she skated more than Roxanne', so I was dumbfounded by Gemma's lower scores.

It should have been irrelevant because Colleen should have gone anyway IMO.

I wasn't meaning to be rude but these young ladies appear to have been hyping themselves. I am not talking just about the DOI publicity but in newspapers and magazines. It was billed as the battle of the soaps but the skating was a bit lack lustre.

There are far more Northern viewers; or at least there were, the last time I saw any figures. By which I mean the Midlands and higher.

I still feel voting for the person you want to leave is a better idea. It's a bit like Charlie Brooker's anti-complaint thing. Nolan and Carty would attract a fair number of nays to counter the yeas under that system, I think. Of course, the phone takings would be down, because there are fewer anti-voters than positive ones.

Totally agree.

Gemma was undermarked and should not have left.

Jason's comments are cruel and inappropriate for a 'professional'. His qualifications as a judge are questionable.

I don't think Gemma was under marked.

I doubt if her VT clip or when she was speaking live did her any favours with the public - she didn't come over well at all imho.

All the other female celebs came over as softer and 'nicer' (for want of a better word) than Gemma (again imho).

Jas was just Jason and he was no harder/ruder about Gemma than any of the others.

I think that Gemma came across really badly, and although Roxanne wasnt a lot better she didnt have so much coverage as Gemma IMO.

Also this is the British Public we are talking about here, and in EE Gemma's character was a real bitch and would garner no sympathy. Whereas Roxanne played a wife beaten by her husband and trying to carry on thru it.

I know these things have nothing to do with DOI, but I bet a lot of voters, even subconsiously, looked at them as their characters in the soap rather than as in real life.

Sounds daft I know but nowt so queer as folk as the saying goes

Not really knowing either of these girls, I thought that Gemma came across really badly whereas Roxanne although determined didn't bang on and on about the soap rivalry etc etc.

Gemma also called herself a soap queen (really!!!)

I thought Roxanne came across alot more likeable.

Exactly - I'd never even heard of her (or Roxanne) - battle of the soap queens? I don't think so.