He's a wonderful role model for any child who wants to grow up and:

1. Treat every problem or difficulty with an implicit threat of violence.

2. Act like a prurient frisky teenager instead of a grown 32-year-old with the opposite sex e.g. Anouska in the bath and with Nush.

3. Indulge in gutless, spiteful playground bullying e.g. Lisa.

4. Spout out reprehensibly right-wing/conservative reactionary drivel on any number of subjects e.g. gay marriages, asylum seekers.

Look up to Stout if you want to be a complete arsewipe.

From my (moral) highground Camoron is a very small speck way below me and barely discernible.
A role model for those who pretend things are nice when they are patently not.

Go Lisa!

Nice to see she fought back after the way he treated her.

Hi Hammy

I didn't realise there had been all those articles. I had a memory of a pic of Cam standing surrounded by orphans so I think I must have been remembering the article in the Orcadian . Re the orphanage it just says

It was maybe 2000 when he went to visit Annelie Ross, who is also from Orkney, at the orphanage she runs in Burundi
http://www.orcadian.co.uk/features/a...her-9-2003.htm

The article in the Sundy Mail
http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/con...name_page.html

The Big Brother Scot displayed his softer side during a trip to an orphanage in war-torn Burundi.

And the fish trader from Orkney won a host of fans when he spent time talking and playing with the young children.

Cameron travelled to the orphanage - run by Christian charity African Revival Ministries - in 2000.

He was visiting his school friend Annalie Ross and stayed to help for almost three months.

Annalie, who married a man from Rwanda, was in charge of the emergency baby care relief unit and was glad of the helping hand

The Sunday Post
In 1999, just months after being an usher at Jacques and Annelie’s wedding in Orkney, Cameron made the journey to Africa to visit the couple. She said, “Many of the children in the orphanage had lost parents in the civil war or through Aids and malaria. Some of them witnessed terrible horrors and suffered trauma.”
• "When Cameron came for a holiday he adapted well. He was non-judgmental and very genuine - just like he’s been in the two Big Brother houses. He’s a joker at heart and loved playing with the kids".
http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...54#post1011654

Sunday Post again
This will be Cameron’s fifth trip to South Africa. As well as his BB stint in the house in Randburg he’s visited Cape Town, Johannesburg and Burundi where, in 2000, he helped out at an orphanage run by an Orkney woman.
..................• “I’m staying in South Africa for one week and Ray from Big Brother will be accompanying me as a friend” explained Cameron.
• “As well as attending the grand finale of BB Africa I’m also doing some charity work for Christian Aid which will involve working on HIV and AIDS projects.”

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...36#post1259536

and a Herald article just says
http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...07#post1131007

He also worked at an orphanage in Burundi for three months

When you were talking about Julyan I assume you meant somrthing he wrote for his Scotsman column but I'm afraid I couldn't find that one.

Whatever, it just looks to me that he did go out to visit his friends for his holidays and stayed there for 3 months helping out .

'God almighty' this thread seems to go around in circles, my opinions on topics discussed are

1. who cares why he's doing children in need if it helps raise money for charity.
2. Although his statement re child disipline in the diary room was very unsettling we are not aware of any incident where he has caused physical harm to any children and it is unfair to accuse him of this. Nor did he state he would beat children.
3. His treatment of Lisa in the house was not just bitching, as we know it (which I'm sure we're all familiar with) it was an evil victimization which gradually turned them all against her and then put her in isolation (as in schoolyard bullying) fortunately she had a strong enough character to bounce back.

As much as I dislike the sham I fear that sometimes we go to far in our accusations after all we should remember that BB is just a game and he is a human, with feelings.

I don't recall anybody making any wild accusations about Stout being a child abuser. It's just Iain (as usual) leaping on something to argue with so he can twist things completely out of their original context and waffle on to his heart's content - and it's also disnaespeakmuch, who sadly can't handle the fact that Stout is almost universally unpopular with the more discerning viewers of BB4.

see - this is what its come to.

Cameron goes on CiN and people aren't happy unless his entire history is dredged up to qualify this appearance to those who would rather take a simple comment about smacking and condemn him for it.

how absurd is that?

Iain

ben -

at no point have I suggested that anyone has suggested that Cameron is a child abuser.

but don't let that stop you....

try rereading the first page of this thread, and see if you can spot where the first references to *abuse* crept in, right there alongside the idea that Cameron might be happy to see kids get *a good leathring*......

Iain

No. It is a remark by Alrightmate that you jumped on and proceeded to run with in your usual tedious fashion.

No more absurd than your claims to not care about BB but devoting so much of your time arguing with others who have a greater familarity of the series than you.

i didn't see why it was necessary to start insinuate that Cameron might think it was OK to give kids *a good leathering* or that he didn't care about *the plight of (abused) children*.

in fact, I still don't. do you?

Iain

of course its absurd.

i devote less time than you imagine.

Iain

Considering that you have never followed BB4 in full unlike others and therefore can't argue any genuine point arising from the series with much authority, how people react to various housemates is really no concern of yours.

whatever Even if my views are misguided in your eyes I am still entitled to express them and was not debating with myself , as well you know.

"Misguided" doesn't even cover it. You've acknowledged that Stout is a bully and still happily support him. You've even stated that you would've joined in with the playground unpleasantness towards Lisa too. Frankly, I'm appalled by your attitude.

Still, it takes all sorts and I suppose one should try to make allowances for the less perspicacious.

thats me told, eh?

no - really.

it was IMO inappropriate to start talking about good leatherings and a lack of concern for the welfare of children on Cameron's part, primarily based on a comment about smacking.

thats the case regardless of how much I watched BB.

besides - you're dodging the issue as usual - do you think the comments about good leatherings, Cameron's lack of concern and references to Michael Jackson were really called for?

Iain

Your question is irrelevant.

You have not watched BB4 in full, you have not been a first-hand viewer of a number of specific incidents in the house and therefore you are in no position to judge the appropriateness or otherwise of the reactions of those who have genuinely followed the series.

wow! are you some sort of scrabble champion?

Iain

i would only be able to have an opinion on this issue had i watched 1,700 hours of Big Brother?

why?

what *specific* instances did I miss where Cameron expressed that he would be happy to see children get a good beating, or that he didn't care about the plight of abused children?

if there were such instances, and I missed them, then you have a fair point, but if there weren't, then you don't.

Iain

Why do I get the feeling that you'd be much happier piddling around in the general discussion forum?

[quote]Originally posted by ben4321
I don't recall anybody making any wild accusations about Stout being a child abuser. It's just Iain (as usual) leaping on something to argue with so he can twist things completely out of their original context and waffle on to his heart's content - and it's also disnaespeakmuch, who sadly can't handle the fact that Stout is almost universally unpopular with the more discerning viewers of BB4. [/QUOTE
No offence was intended towards my fellow Tickle comrade, I wasn't aiming my comments directly at you, just at the way this thread came across in general.

No offence taken, my friend.

why do i get the feeling you'd rather make some cheap remark rather than answer a point sensibly?

Iain

You haven't made any sensible points. As others have pointed out, you continually misquote others by twisting their remarks out of context and go running up a blind alley of misinterpretation, and as I've said, others have genuinely followed and responded to BB4 whereas you by and large have not, and therefore your comments don't really have much credibility to be honest.

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