I may be wrong,..but from what I've read, Disnae isn't bothered too much about winning an argument,.and doesn't appear to be to be too concerned about her ego.

Although I disagree with many of her ways of seeing things,..she does occasionally point out things that show flexibiltiy,..and sometimes shows a less partisan view.

She has shown empathy towards how Lisa felt,..and although looking at possibilities to why Cameron may have behaved as he did,..she didn't take the easy route and try to justify Cameron's behaviour,..perhaps looked for an explanation,...but didn't appear to try to excuse it.

It's easy to say that Lisa is annoying,..so that's a good excuse,..but I didn't see Disnae hide behind that. [/quote]

And Iain agrees without argument everything pro-Cameron but picks apart word by word any Cameron criticism....Disnae's posts contain many opportunities for Iain to show how unbiased he is....and yet he simply makes one line of agreement.....Not good enough given the moral position Iain is trying to occupy.....

thats less lovely ben.

but how did you figure out that disnae wasn't the sort of person who you'd like to see around if someone was ill, based on the comments about someone feigning illness?

it seemed a huge leap of logic, probably wholly unfounded - so I just wondered how you reached that conclusion.

you say I don't always come across very well, but the way you resort to name calling like that really doesn't either.

Iain

well, I'd say that Lisa actually was annoying insomuch as she did have a tendency to interupt conversation's and talk about herself a hell of a lot, and was generally quite in everybody's face - I don't need to be a mind reader to say that - that was there for everyone to see.

and I agree with disnae's earlier comment about it being a two way street - Lisa could perhaps have done herself a few favours, and equally people should have been more welcoming.

and I agree up to a point about Cameron anyway, although that point always gets lost. I agree he appeared to overplay his wide eyed at everything routine, and I agree that some of his views are a bit barmy / dodgy.

what i disagree with are the leaps of logic based on throwaway comments - eg his apparent *violence* based on comments he most likely didn't literally mean, the huge fuss that was made because he showed some emotion before his trip to SA, or the hyperbole surrounding his inappropriateness for CiN based on his comment about smacking.

i don't think any of that is at all unreasonable.

Iain

so it is coming down now to *degrees of bitching*.

how much bitching is acceptable, and when does it cross the bullying line?

of course its not a very lofty expectation, but they were in the BB house, which is a fairly unusual, restrictive environment where people don't really have anywhere to go to get away. that doesn't justify or excuse it, but nonetheless thats how it is.

Iain

I may be wrong,..but from what I've read, Disnae isn't bothered too much about winning an argument,.and doesn't appear to be to be too concerned about her ego.

Although I disagree with many of her ways of seeing things,..she does occasionally point out things that show flexibiltiy,..and sometimes shows a less partisan view.

She has shown empathy towards how Lisa felt,..and although looking at possibilities to why Cameron may have behaved as he did,..she didn't take the easy route and try to justify Cameron's behaviour,..perhaps looked for an explanation,...but didn't appear to try to excuse it.

It's easy to say that Lisa is annoying,..so that's a good excuse,..but I didn't see Disnae hide behind that. [/quote]

i haven't tried to justify Cameron's behaviour either.

bottom line is, Lisa, whether she was annoying or not, annoyed people. and people moaned about it.

perhaps Lisa could have been more aware of the way she was rubbing people up the wrong way, and perhaps everyone else, particularly Cameron, could have been more understanding of Lisa's position as the newcomer in the house and been more welcoming.

Iain

and what outrageous *pro-Cameron arguments* have I agreed with?

that his comments about hitting people were really no indication that he actually would hit people?

that his comments about smacking hardly made him as outrageously inappropriate for CiN as was made out?

that he was hardly the conniving trickster he was made out to be because he showed some emotion before his trip to SA?

nothing much unreasonable there Mes I don't think.

and despite what you say, I don't agree with everything about Cameron, as I've said on many occassions - but you keep glossing over that minor detail.

Iain

Oh dear . . . . what has this become?

I think it's time to rename this "The most boring thread on Big Brother in the World, ever".


So tell me again . . . . what has this got to do with Children In Need?

Go away. You don't just get the idea that I really don't wish to respond to you anymore.

You have a stunning lack of understanding for the BB format ("Oh, we don't *know* the HMs, so any opinions drawn from the edited images we see on screen are not necessarily accurate" - thank you for that earth-shattering insight, any more examples of the bleeding obvious you'd care to share with us?) and to be quite honest I don't think you really add anything of value.

People have explained their opinions to you and yet you constantly find fault - just like several other Cam Stout threads and yet you never bother to jump in on threads where other ex-HMs (BB3's Kate) are being discussed.

You argue for the sake of it - hence the ridiculous comments in your above post - and I can't be bothered going round and round in circles, since you are determined to grab on to any single issue and refuse to let go, bleeding it dry of any interest.

dontcha just love irony?


if its so bleedin' obvious why have you continually argued with me about it?


no more and no less than anyone else - we just have different views. no need to get so aggressive about it all I don't think.

Iain

PS I still don't think that was very fair of you to say what you did about Disnae.....I don't think my comments were *ridiculous* - it was an honest question - rather than answer it at all, you have simply replied with stroppy name calling it seems.

I wonder why it is, that certain people are allowed to hijack threads and change them for their own devices.

Why do the mods here let certain people do this, I wonder?

Do you have some influence that we mere mortals perhaps, don't have?

Then don't read it. Does that compute?

Well, Alrightmate, we've done The Wicker Man, The Night Of The Hunter and Witchfinder General - how about Omen III: The Final Conflict with the adult 32 year old AntiChrist? Just imagine Sam Neill with an Orkney accent and you're well away.

I don't think the way you treated your work colleague was fair either, now be off with you.

how many times? she wasn't *treated* like anything. she had a tendency to talk about herself an awful lot, and people were continually amazed / amused by this. that was it. end of story.

Iain

I don't want to read it - I want to read the thread that was Cam on Children in Need - but I have to view your drival instead.

Why do you do it - more the point - how do you get away with it?

The word is "drivel" actually.

Sad.

My point proven.

Cheers!

Happy to help. Goodbye.

Are you leaving already?

Now what does that have to do with Children In Need?

Is that really the best you have now?

Troll.

Oh No! - outed by the mighty Ben

if Ben and Iain werent arguing we would have nothing to read.

If you want to find out more about children in need then dont bother with the BBC website. Its as if it never took place. But I dont think anyones bothered about CiN in this thread now anyway. We have a lot of time on our hands til the next BB so we like to pop in and watch familiar faces arguing over semantics.

Most of us who dont have E4 were more bothered by someone who came to the judgement (Im being polite) of posting info on the last show of teen BB on the Friday when many of us hadnt seen it on C4 yet.

so to summarize, we have nothing to read anyway so who cares ? and thankfully there is no possibility of anyone telling us the outcome of something on E4 etc that C4 havent broadcast yet and spoiling it for most of us.