Do you know this for certain Iain...did you watch the live feed artounf the clock...or are you basing it on other pwoples views...and those mainly being the ones supporting cameron's rights to threaten to kill her?

no mes - i'm talking about the thing with the girl that used to work with us, the thing that ben won't let go...

Iain

I do apologise....could you say that Lisa was probably a very nice person for me then...just for balance...

she very possibly was - but unfortunately she wasn't really in the house for very long.

in the time she was in there, she was very abrupt with everyone, plus she had that annoying habit of talking about herself all the time and butting in on conversations.

very possibly she overdid the whole *I'm the new person, I need to get some attention thing*.

of course it wasn't very nice that people slagged her off behind her back. i think when she cam eout she was quite embarrassed herself at how much she did that, when she was shown the compilation of her doing it all the time.

most people would be annoyed by it, and most people would probably moan about it, especially in the confinement of the BB house (much as Ben talks about *the format of BB*, he doesn't necessarily seem to accept that things might be different in the house) - but I think a bit of perspective is needed sometimes.

Iain

hey - i'm not arguing.

Iain

Im not fooled by that smiley smilie

while Im here, I think Lisa suffered post-experience bullying, in that nobody spoke about her to her face (so she wasnt bullied in person) but they all talked behind her back which is impossible to do on BB of course since they will see it all later.

I dont mind people talking behind my back as long as I dont find out about it.

I reckon they wasted Lisas memories of the show. Anyone could see she was crazy without making a big deal about it. Now she has the memory that they all talked about her every time she wasnt there and the bandleader was the beefy Christian It even resulted in the first piece of violence on BB (Camerons chinese burn Has that been mentioned before ? ).

It was ok to do reality checks with each other about Lisa but Cameron was in the DR talking about strangling her etc and being the self-appointed master of ceremonies at any Lisa-bitching session

How about an alternative theory

Instead of being evil incarnate might Cam not just be ...........childish or child-like

Perhaps he quite fancied Lisa but like children he hid this by rubbishing her in front of his chums

Running off to the diary room to threaten extreme violence strikes me as the equivalent of kids boasting what they are going to do to perceived enemies when they are at a safe distance

"I'd like to smash his face in" is little boy talk, usually matched by " You and who's army ? "

Chinese burn ? Has anyone here done a chinese burn since they were like, eight ?

Wide-eyed innocence, exaggerated excitement - typical kiddy behaviour

Anyone see something in this ?

Any other examples you can think off ?

Shyness at talking his shirt off, maybe

Uncontrollable laughter at 'silly' jokes and farting

Ewar Woowar is a classic... if it's told correctly....

no I think he hated her I dont think people should hate Lisa. They should just feel sorry for her. He did regret it all (I think)

but maybe theres something in what you say. Maybe he fancied her for a bit of experience but doesnt realise. She is reasonably attractive (apart form the ton of make up and the chemically saturated hair and the boring personality). She looked not too bad in the much talked about gold bikini :sleep:

I said the same thing about Justines feelings for Jon and was thrilled/ashamed when the shrink suggested it too

Theres no doubt Cameron expresses himself extremely childishly and I think he is miserable and "stuck" but sometimes I think we hate people because we really hate them

He also walked out of the sex games party and hid in the DR yet was it the next week he was all over Nush asking to view her gange ?

And his constant rubbishing people is very childish too. His main way of bonding with others is by trashing people.

I'd already noticed this. He did respond to things like an overgrown schoolboy ("I'll punch his lights out,") and flirted with Nush like a prurient frisky teenager rather than a grown 32-year-old man.

Maybe that's why he took such a dislike to Lisa - he was confronted by a strong woman and there's no doubt in my mind that if it had come to a face to face showdown, Lisa would've had him for breakfast.

I find him incredibly emotionally immature. Does anyone else remember the cub scout task, where he and most of the others looked like something out of Blue Remembered Hills?

Nice one, ben !!

Cam as Colin Welland

To continue the theme it was noticable that Cam's big pal was the other overgrown kid - Gos

Exactly. Well said Ben.

make up your mind.

is Cameron just some immature unfortunate, or is a deeply violent man who would punch her lights out?

Iain

It the latter as well you know Iain.....Well...he'd threaten it and people who opposed the attack on Iraq by a far right regime wouls suddenly decide to support a right wings man right to threaten people...or at least become an apologist for it...

something like that Mes, something like that.

Iain