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Foregone conclusion
hiawatha
21-01-2009
I have never seen one of these comps(DOI,SCD,XF,BGT, etc)
where the result is a foregone conclusion from the start.
Barring accidents we know who's going to win so what's the point?
Eviesmum
21-01-2009
Originally Posted by hiawatha:
“I have never seen one of these comps(DOI,SCD,XF,BGT, etc)
where the result is a foregone conclusion from the start.
Barring accidents we know who's going to win so what's the point?”

This isn't just about skating though is it.

I mean yes, Jessica and Ray are way ahead of the others, but in S2, Clare was miles ahead of everyone and still came second.

I think that Zoe and Ellery could be really good and having neither dancing or prior skating ability the GBP may well prefer them in the end.

As the old saying goes, 'it ain't over til the fat lady sings'

lalalalala
soapgirlhere
21-01-2009
i actually don't think ray will win because i don't think he'll be as popular as some of the others.
yohinnchild
21-01-2009
In series 1, the front runners were John Barrowmen and Bonnie Langford; one was eliminated in Week 4, the other came 3rd.

Gaynor who was in the dance off week 1 + won the thing

In Series 2, whilst Kryan was always considered good, she turned good into excellent to snatch the win from the early leader Clare

In Series 3, Chris and to a certain extent Gareth were the front runners, Suzanne was almost an underdog to win until she got to two 30's.

My point is that the early faves rarely win these shows. I would say the winner would more likely be someone like Zoe, Ellery or at an extreme long shot Melinda.

I don't think you can say for certain after seeing them perform just once
Stfne
21-01-2009
Yeah, the front runners at the start don't always stick. And, regarding the title, what did Chris say about beating Jayne on the Christmas Special? "A foregone conclusion."
Pete19
21-01-2009
Come on guys, please sign our petition!

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...-scotland.html
memmh
21-01-2009
We don't know what will be. It's highly probable that Ray and Jessica will both be in the final but it's not guaranteed. For example, what if neither of them gets the public vote one week and they're in the skate-off against each other? At that point, one of them will have to go.

Nor do we know who will ultimately win because that's dependent solely on the public vote and the judges' scores don't count. In series 1, if the judges had had any say, then Bonnie would have probably won but she didn't get the public support.
thenetworkbabe
21-01-2009
Originally Posted by yohinnchild:
“In series 1, the front runners were John Barrowmen and Bonnie Langford; one was eliminated in Week 4, the other came 3rd.

Gaynor who was in the dance off week 1 + won the thing

In Series 2, whilst Kryan was always considered good, she turned good into excellent to snatch the win from the early leader Clare

In Series 3, Chris and to a certain extent Gareth were the front runners, Suzanne was almost an underdog to win until she got to two 30's.

My point is that the early faves rarely win these shows. I would say the winner would more likely be someone like Zoe, Ellery or at an extreme long shot Melinda.

I don't think you can say for certain after seeing them perform just once”

Bonnie and John are both regarded as annoying though -Bonnie wasn't beaten on ability - the winner had less. Its possible this series might revert to that model but the front runners are not that annoying (though some people have a problem with Ray)

Clare could never catch Kyran with a hunk body and a hunk into dancer story even if she did out dance him in the final.It was a two horse race though. They shared weeks with the top mark over the series as the ability gap wasn't that great and Kyran looked either a credible second or someone who had taken over the lead well before the final. I don't see anyone but Jessica and Ray in those two roles. Ellery isn't that close and doesn't look as if he can close. Ray doesn't have the story but has other strengths Kyran lacked and Jessica isn't as good as Clare but their opposition may be weaker too.


People assumed Gareth had a vote but series three was always between Chris and Suzanne and it was clear from the start what they were each good at and likely to compete on. She would be daring and might give better dancing performances, he was the faster skater who might do more tricks. He had enough weaknesses and she had enough daring to make it turn out much as it did if she could pull it out.

The obvious one this series who might push the two front runners out of the way on daring do or get close to Jessica is Zoe. Zoe though is going to have to find a way to impress like Suzanne and Claire when the exciting lifts will be more difficult because of her height. If she pulls it off or finds a way to win without doing the same lifts she will deserve to win. Not sure what there is she can do though. Melinda may have potential too but she has an even bigger gap to close.

IT looks like a predictable outcome (Ray over Jessica) to me unless Zoe can find a style that suits her build and can still win people over or someone else makes big leaps or someone wins for not skating that well but being popular. There's some potential for something novel there, much for something predictable and rather too much for someone winning with dire or unexciting skating.

Agree its early too tell on many issues (Zoe in a bigger lift? Ray in an overhead lift?) but on the other hand I don't remember watching the start of series two or three and thinking how few people were any good after 4-5 weeks.
Ignazio
22-01-2009
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=974773

Does this thread proffer the same opinion?
kaycee
22-01-2009
Sometimes when someone starts way ahead of the competition, as Ray, and to a certain extent, Jessica, did, they have less room for improvement ...

Ray will probably improve, but maybe not to the extent of someone like that hunky rugby player (sorry, can't remember his name). Viewers (more so than the judges) can get bored with someone who produces the same quality every week, and start encouraging those who are on the way to catching up....


(sorry if that sounds muddled, but I think you'll understand what I mean)
CaroUK
22-01-2009
The winner needs to be popular with the public as well as the judges, and the key to the "popular" vote is being seen to be enjoying the experience, not be too competitive and most of all to be seen to be trying to play the game.

The judges loved Bonnie and gave her high marks every week despite saying that she needed to spend more time skating rather than being carried/ towed around by Matt - her lack of skating ability (back then - now is a different story!) was never more apparent than the week she had to do an unassisted jump - hello Bambi!! Her routines WERE spectacular - but they didn't involve her skating (playing the game) as much as Gaynor or Stefan did so that is why they did better.

Kyran's "story" was the big hulking rugby player learning to be an elegant skater and Claire was just a natural - none of the others were in their league although Emily stopped better skaters who might have been more competition (Lee?) getting further that year.

Last series Chris didn't quite catch the TV voters because he was perceived as being too experienced already (especially when compared with the other "I played ice hockey when I was younger" contestant, Greg who was rubbish) - something which Ray and Jessica have to overcome, and "showing off" by doing everything so much better than any of the total ice novices could ever do. Suzanne mostly flew beneath the radar until the last few weeks when her superior performance and partnering skills put her in front.

This time round we have an excellent male in Ray (who is - I hate to say it - incredibly annoying, like ), and a good female in Jessica who already look like being shoo ins for the final and two good second placers in Ellery and Zoe - the rest are just cannon fodder for the panel to pick off one by one. It remains to be seen how they get on when competing against each other in a mixed group, and how the public take to them.
surfie
22-01-2009
Clare did have a couplesomethings against her in series two which I felt damaged her chances. One was the way she came across on screen. Kyran just laughed things off and looked more relaxed while Clare seemed a bit to eager to please. And this is a major problem of hers as she does tend to come across as false compared to her twin sister Julie who is more relax. With Julie's wealth of experience dealing with panto villians she would certainly turn the tables on Jason.

The other was The Mirrors witch hunt against Clare in an attempt to prove she was lying about her previous skating experience. Even Phil in the second programme joined it by all but calling Clare a liar when he questioned her about her skating abilities twice and she didn't answer.

So Clare skated recreationally from time to time but it doesn't mean she could skate well. Ulrika as a child and also Emily and later to be revealled Kyran as all having previous skating abilities. Infact Kyrans first shaky attempts to skate on the VT clips looking back now were highly suspcious given how after he had won he revealled how much skating experience prior to Dancing on Ice he had.
memmh
22-01-2009
Originally Posted by surfie:
“The other was The Mirrors witch hunt against Clare in an attempt to prove she was lying about her previous skating experience. Even Phil in the second programme joined it by all but calling Clare a liar when he questioned her about her skating abilities twice and she didn't answer.”

I remember Phil asking her about previous skating experience and she said she hadn't skated before but I don't remember him implying she was lying
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