Well, I take the line that:

Others have every right to hold any opinion they see fit - and I have every right to perceive it as a load of rubbish if that's how it strikes me.

Some opinions I don't respect at all - but nevertheless if people want to hold them that's up to them.

But ben, looking at your reaction to my 'yawn' smilie response to your post above, you really do not like it when other FMs treat you in the manner you describe here.

I, on the other hand, carry on regardless.

I'm not bothered in the slightest. Most of the "run-ins" I've had on this forum are pretty much ancient history to me. I find holding grudges to be incredibly childish behaviour.

But seeing as you declared that you would be ignoring me in a most melodramatic fashion a little while ago, I am surprised that you're not keeping your word.

:yawn:

Unless I am going totally batty the coalbunker incident was after one week on the poor side-but with the second now certain-in fact one of several incidents on what I have termed "The Black Weekend".
I do not go on about it because it does show Alex in a completely appalling light and Kate forgave him herself a couple of weeks later-(she is so forgiving)so I guess I have to take my lead from her.
I think kate won because of her awesome personality and not at all because of her looks-there are 5 or 6 HM's more classically beautiful but they never came close to getting the public votes.

Kate won for a number of reasons:

- she pretended an easy-going, innocent girl next door quality that has no resemblence to her calculating, driven and selfish personality;

- she has a nice bum which she managed to show off while seeming unconscious of the fact that it was on continuous view, which attracted some blokes to support her;

- she flattered BB by crawling in the Diary Room and pretending to adore the experience - however appalling it actually was;

- she confined her bitching and back-biting quite successfully to those she judged to be unpopular outside of the house - thus managing to maintain a relatively "goody goody" image;

- she was fortunate in being a girl in a year when BB had decided that one should win - 2 blokes having won in previous years.

Unfortunately for her, she hasn't been able to maintain the sweety-pie charade for any length outside of the house so she is widely disliked. Still, it worked at the time so she can't complain I suppose. :sleep:

Why is Kate so forgiving! what for? I have asked you this before but you never answered, please elaborate?

I know of quite a few people who wished they had not voted for Kate, also quite a few who have annoyed me by telling me their favourite was actually Alex but they wanted a girl to win, ( see what the power of suggestion does, some people just follow a lead ) Kate also had a lot of teenyboppers voting for her and some of those have matured now and realised and wondered why they voted for her in the first place. So Vilt wheather you wish to believe it or not Kate is not as popular as you would like to believe.

At the time I wanted Alex to win BB3 but the more I look back now I am glad Alex didn't as I don't think he would have wanted all the press coverage and intrusion a BB winner gets, whereas Kate thrives on all that attention like it is her lifes blood. The money doesn't really have any signifigance to BBer's anymore as most of them can make that much and more once they leave the house anyway.

Goodness me. This is all rather vague and not backed up by any specific examples.

I thought Kate won because she was basically a rather ordinary, somewhat two-dimensional young woman and was one of the more easily accessible people in there, like a female Craig. In despite of her dubious friendship with that tosser Jonny and her Shooting Stars graveyard unfunny Davina McCall impersonations, she gained popularity due to her kickboxing ladette demeanour even though her appropriation of "Girl Power" was just so 1996, and since then has chanced her arm as a rather crap TV presenter who finds difficulty reading the autocue.

Now it seems that she was in fact a conniving, consummate actress who must surely have had her game plan worked out beforehand and was a complete mistress of both housemate and audience manipulation.

I hope Nick Bateman was taking notes.

Hi Susann

I seem to remember Alex deliberately leaving Kate to languish in the poor side for another week, so he could have his female posse Adele and Jade with him for another week. Not nice.

I also recall Kate confronting Alex and asking him what she had done to offend him when there was tension between them (I think this was around the time of the "orange juggling" incident ) in a bid to talk about things and sort them out and Alex was dismissively rude to her, reducing her to tears. Again, not nice.

I can see why Alex is popular, but from my experience watching the dreadful BB3 out of morbid fascination (could this show possibly get any worse?), I do think he is a little overrated.

You really did not watch it did you??

The world famous "Orange Juggling Fiasco" was BEFORE the divide went up.
Although after Kate was dumped on by Alex on the poor side she did try to talk to him about it and he blanked her a few times-which upset her although not to tears that time.
(Hence Kate nominated Alex-which some of Alex's supporters cannot even seem to recognise-I guess they have those rose-tinted glasses that have been mentioned)

I was just giving examples. I didn't realise that they had to be in precise chronological order. How petty.

And I freely admit that I don't particularly care either way. I didn't like either Kate or Alex. In fact, to my mind, the whole show was a load of dumbed down "cat sat on the mat" trashy tabloid fodder.

Although Alex and Kate did not gel all the time I don't see why Alex should be dealt all the blame. Have you conveniently forgotten how Kate was happy to play follow the van with Alex, roll around inside that tube with Alex and numerous other stuff like washing him in the tub and jumping on him when he was licking the yoghurt pot lid leading us to believe she was getting on better with him then nominating him, if you ask me Alex is the so forgiving one not Kate, let me remind you Alex nominated Kate once which he admited he regretted, KATE nominated Alex everytime the opportunity arose. Now explain to me who is the forgiving one please? I can't wait for your answer to this if you bother I think it is you wearing those Rose tinted glasses.

All Katies nominations of Alex were BEFORE he drove the van into the house and they spent that week on the poor side all together and made up and had that long whispered conversation.
(This is apart from the very last one that was a little special and I think we have been over it before on other threads )
I do not think Alex said he regretted nominating Kate and I do not think Kate would want him to-you have to nominate someone-she was probably suprised he did not nominate her more in the early weeks-he must have amazingly disliked other people more than her!(must have taken some work)

ALL Kates nominations of Alex were right through BB3, did you watch it at all? before and after the numerous games of follow-the-van.

I do not have the tape of it, but remember Alex saying he nominated the wrong person that week, (too far back now) but he either wished he had voted Jonny or Jade that week. He even gave silly reasons for nominating Kate which he admitted to. (She puts metal objects in the microwave remember? )
So explain please Vilt as I ask you again and your explaination is not satisfactory to me WHY Kate nominated Alex at every opportunity whilst leading us to believe they were getting on better and Alex never showed such vindictiveness by holding a grudge and nominating Kate every week. Please reread my original question as you seem to have skirted all around what I was asking you.

As for the last piece of your post. Yes Alex must have disliked or maybe more to the point was maybe less able to tolerate other's more than Kate, which means by nominating Alex, kate was the one putting on an act leading him to believe how much better they were getting on, but actually disliked him more than the other's, (insinuated by your own post) which leads me to believe if she was willing to play FTV so willingly with Alex although she disliked him more, what would she have been willing to play with the others.

You're presuming Susann that Kate's nominations of Alex were personal. The way she dressed, or undressed and flirted, it was quite obvious that she new how to play a tactical game, which is what BB is all about, if you want to win it.
Alex was a favourite outside the house and I believe amongst the rest of the HM's to win the game therefore an easy target for a tactical vote and nothing to do with how anyone else nominated.

She's certainly ruthless and unprincipled, but that's part of the reason that she's so disliked, IMO.

.....but she won because millions of the public loved her.
Unfortunately most of those millions have to be at work by 7:00am so haven't been able to help her out more with the viewing figures for RI:SE and thus save the show.

Easily the funniest post this week bystander.

Well done.

Thank you....................you little darlin'

I truly would also like to believe that Kate's nominations for Alex were purely tactical based on him being a favourite, it would be better that way.

Her behaviour in the House suggested otherwise, despite maybe her possible motives. (The first few weeks fair enough, the last few - follow-the-van, actions / reactions after a couple of drinks, furtive looks esp. the Dinner night etc etc).
Unfortunately I don't think Alex sees it quite like that and as a straight-up person neither would I based on the evidence.

All water under the bridge now, only entertainment for us - despite some who put words in to their mouths and talk of 'forgiveness ' the history is there and it is hardly surprising that they do not speak.
Why should they? They have their own lives now and neither cares.

yes but

"In a sea of lies one true bright fact may be all that guides you home"

Nietsche-I am told.

Um...sorry to be pedantic but didn't Kate say recently that sex with Woodgate kept her up all night so she is exhausted in the morning - and that is the reason she makes TV gaffes?

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...5&pagenumber=1

Now she says on OK! work keeps them apart. So unless someone else is keeping her awake all night prompting her to be knackered and therefore a dire presenter - can we assume that this is yet another inexactitude/lie/excuse from Kate? Saying he keeps her awake all night then admitting work keeps them apart - she just incriminates herself time and again .

I have watched RI:SE a few times recently because I knew that various guests would be on. Kate still litters her conversation with the word "wicked" with tiresome and annoying frequency. It got me pining for Amanda Byram (In a TV sense, not a personal one! )

There was a conversation recently in which Ian was championing the irony and nostalia of the 80s group 5 Star. Kate looked at him sourly and said "Yes, but we've got 5ive now". End of conversation. It was like a comedian and a stroppy eleven year old conversing. I can't believe this programme actually airs.

(BTW - we haven't "got" boyband 5ive anymore - they have spilt up!)

page 23 was funny though was it not!

By the way I have seen no evidence that you have a scanner or know how to use it.

BB3 and Nietzsche - not exactly natural bedfellows.

Hold on!
From week 2 it was known Alex was a strong contender-so after that the tactical vote would have been NOT to nominate him incase the person nominating found themselves up against him 1 to 1 and thereby booted out!
Kate just nominated him because he was pretty obnoxious for the first half of the show. and got on pretty much with everyone else.

I am in love-with the idea of being in love.