Some of the pros tonight were introduced as Adagio Skaters - anyone know what that means? Many thanks
Question for Skating experts
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Some of the pros tonight were introduced as Adagio Skaters - anyone know what that means? Many thanks”
“Some of the pros tonight were introduced as Adagio Skaters - anyone know what that means? Many thanks”
Adagio Skating is Partner skating in shows. Pairs, with high Lifts and moves, but without the solo jumps and triple twists of competitive skating.
Most skating shows will have an Adagio Pair included in the cast.
Adagio skating is based more on acrobatics than dance or recognised skating movements. Spectacular and dangerous but what people expect to see in show skating.
Originally Posted by Eviesmum:
“Frankie is an adagio skater but she's solo isn't she?”
“Frankie is an adagio skater but she's solo isn't she?”
You can't be a solo Adagio skater. If she's introduced as an Adagio skater it means she skated in an Adagio Pair in shows. She never competed as a solo skater that I know of.
OK, thanks for that info. Have any of the pros on DOI been competitive skaters, do you know? None of them seem strong enough to me compared to those seen on Europeans etc, singles, pairs or dance couples.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“OK, thanks for that info. Have any of the pros on DOI been competitive skaters, do you know? None of them seem strong enough to me compared to those seen on Europeans etc, singles, pairs or dance couples.”
“OK, thanks for that info. Have any of the pros on DOI been competitive skaters, do you know? None of them seem strong enough to me compared to those seen on Europeans etc, singles, pairs or dance couples.”
I struggled to find bios online, but from Wiki:
Melanie Lambert and Fred Palascak had two top-10 finishes at the US nationals.
Maria Filippov(a?) competed or Bulgaria in ice-dance at Worlds in 1991 but failed to make the finals.
Frankie Poultney is an adagio skater.
Matt Evers won Junior Pairs at the 1998 US Nationals
Andrei Lipanov won Junior Russian Nationals in 1984.
Susie Lipanova finished 5th in British Nationals in 1992.
So nothing too significant.
Mind you I don't think getting Olympic/World/European competitors would improve the skating. The Russian version of this uses lots of champions from the last 20 years - Bereznaya & Sikharulidze, Yagudin (a singles skater!), Usova, Platov, Klimova & Ponomarenko, Drobyazko & Vanagas, Petrenko (another singles), Gordeeva, Denkova, Petrova & Tikhonov, Slutskaya, Navka & Kostomarov, Lobecheva & Aberbukh and I forget how many others, and while the roster is hugely impressive (I would die to see skaters of that calibre in competition again), it doesn't make them especially patient teachers, especially if they don't normally skate with other people! If you look it up on YT (search Russian Ice Age), the results can be pretty disasterous - they fall a lot more then ours do, lol!
sk2007 - thank you for that info, appreciated.
I like the pros they have on doi, and think they do really well with their celeb partners. It's just when they perform pro routines they don't seem particularly strong.
And I agree - World Champions don't necessarily make the best teachers - although there are always exceptions. But some lack the patience, and others started skating at such a young age they really can't remember what it is to be a complete raw beginner. (I base that on dancing, as I have no experience of skating, but would imagine much the same applies).
I like the pros they have on doi, and think they do really well with their celeb partners. It's just when they perform pro routines they don't seem particularly strong.
And I agree - World Champions don't necessarily make the best teachers - although there are always exceptions. But some lack the patience, and others started skating at such a young age they really can't remember what it is to be a complete raw beginner. (I base that on dancing, as I have no experience of skating, but would imagine much the same applies).
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“sk2007 - thank you for that info, appreciated.
I like the pros they have on doi, and think they do really well with their celeb partners. It's just when they perform pro routines they don't seem particularly strong.
And I agree - World Champions don't necessarily make the best teachers - although there are always exceptions. But some lack the patience, and others started skating at such a young age they really can't remember what it is to be a complete raw beginner. (I base that on dancing, as I have no experience of skating, but would imagine much the same applies).”
“sk2007 - thank you for that info, appreciated.
I like the pros they have on doi, and think they do really well with their celeb partners. It's just when they perform pro routines they don't seem particularly strong.
And I agree - World Champions don't necessarily make the best teachers - although there are always exceptions. But some lack the patience, and others started skating at such a young age they really can't remember what it is to be a complete raw beginner. (I base that on dancing, as I have no experience of skating, but would imagine much the same applies).”
I think quite a few of Olympic/World champs end up being coaches, at varying levels and some have been fairly successful. But I think it's a different story when you're used to competing at the highest level and then you have to perform yourself with celebs who can't skate, in front of national tv in a country where skaters have the same celebrity as footballers, and with your reputation to protect too. It probably works out better for the celebs if you're partnered with skating show professionals rather than Olympic competitors.
I was trying to find a list for the skaters on Ice Age
Navka & Kostomarov - 2006 Ice-dance Olympic Gold
Bereznaya & Sikharulidze - 2002 Pairs Olympic Gold
Yagudin - 2002 Olympic Gold
Slutskaya - 2002 Olympic Silver, 2002, 2005 World Gold
Lobecheva & Aberbukh - 2002 Ice-dance Olympic Silver
Petrova & Tikhonov - 2000 Pairs World Gold
Drobyazko & Vanagas - 2000 Ice-dance World Bronze
Gordeeva - 1994, 1988 Pairs Olympic Gold
Viktor Petrenko - 1992 Olympic Gold
Klimova & Ponomarenko - 1992 Ice-dance Olympic Gold
I was rewatching some of it and actually the celebs do seem to be more accomplished, but also a whole lot more up themselves
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“sk2007 - thank you for that info, appreciated.
I like the pros they have on doi, and think they do really well with their celeb partners. It's just when they perform pro routines they don't seem particularly strong.
And I agree - World Champions don't necessarily make the best teachers - although there are always exceptions. But some lack the patience, and others started skating at such a young age they really can't remember what it is to be a complete raw beginner. (I base that on dancing, as I have no experience of skating, but would imagine much the same applies).”
“sk2007 - thank you for that info, appreciated.
I like the pros they have on doi, and think they do really well with their celeb partners. It's just when they perform pro routines they don't seem particularly strong.
And I agree - World Champions don't necessarily make the best teachers - although there are always exceptions. But some lack the patience, and others started skating at such a young age they really can't remember what it is to be a complete raw beginner. (I base that on dancing, as I have no experience of skating, but would imagine much the same applies).”
The pro's on DOI have not been olympic champs but to the untrained eye there would be no difference. In series 1, Todd Sand was skating with Kelly Holmes, he is one of the worlds top pair skaters, I think it really didn't make a difference. BIG names in skating are also too expensive and probably wouldn't want to have to partner a beginner.
And as far as the pro numbers go. The DOI ice surface is about one sixth of a normal rink... very hard for the pros to get their normal speed up.
Interesting thread, Frankie is my favourite pro on the show, I think she's been in since the original show, can anyone tell me for sure?
No she hasnt the only originals are Matt, Kristina and Dan. Kristina and Matt also went to Australia with the show. Frankie joined in series 2 where she partnered Lee Sharpe.
The pros get very little time to work on their routines and also as pointed out the rink is much much smaller than what they would be used to. They were fabulous on tour when they had a bigger rink (though still not the right size) also live you can really appreciate the speed at which they travel across the rink. I think all the pros are of a great standard and are mostly very good teachers.
The pros get very little time to work on their routines and also as pointed out the rink is much much smaller than what they would be used to. They were fabulous on tour when they had a bigger rink (though still not the right size) also live you can really appreciate the speed at which they travel across the rink. I think all the pros are of a great standard and are mostly very good teachers.
Originally Posted by dancin' fool:
“The pro's on DOI have not been olympic champs but to the untrained eye there would be no difference. In series 1, Todd Sand was skating with Kelly Holmes, he is one of the worlds top pair skaters, I think it really didn't make a difference. BIG names in skating are also too expensive and probably wouldn't want to have to partner a beginner.
And as far as the pro numbers go. The DOI ice surface is about one sixth of a normal rink... very hard for the pros to get their normal speed up.”
“The pro's on DOI have not been olympic champs but to the untrained eye there would be no difference. In series 1, Todd Sand was skating with Kelly Holmes, he is one of the worlds top pair skaters, I think it really didn't make a difference. BIG names in skating are also too expensive and probably wouldn't want to have to partner a beginner.
And as far as the pro numbers go. The DOI ice surface is about one sixth of a normal rink... very hard for the pros to get their normal speed up.”
Wow, I missed the first season, did NOT know that Todd Sand was taking part! Was he received well? ：）Wonder why Jenni Meno didn't skate too?
Originally Posted by laur_od:
“No she hasnt the only originals are Matt, Kristina and Dan. Kristina and Matt also went to Australia with the show. Frankie joined in series 2 where she partnered Lee Sharpe.
The pros get very little time to work on their routines and also as pointed out the rink is much much smaller than what they would be used to. They were fabulous on tour when they had a bigger rink (though still not the right size) also live you can really appreciate the speed at which they travel across the rink. I think all the pros are of a great standard and are mostly very good teachers.”
“No she hasnt the only originals are Matt, Kristina and Dan. Kristina and Matt also went to Australia with the show. Frankie joined in series 2 where she partnered Lee Sharpe.
The pros get very little time to work on their routines and also as pointed out the rink is much much smaller than what they would be used to. They were fabulous on tour when they had a bigger rink (though still not the right size) also live you can really appreciate the speed at which they travel across the rink. I think all the pros are of a great standard and are mostly very good teachers.”
Thanks for the reply, I possibly missed the first season, as I don't recall watching the show when Frankie didn' t take part. I'm not so keen on Kristina but really can't explain why. Can't think who matt & Dan are though.
Originally Posted by laur_od:
“No she hasnt the only originals are Matt, Kristina and Dan. Kristina and Matt also went to Australia with the show. Frankie joined in series 2 where she partnered Lee Sharpe.
The pros get very little time to work on their routines and also as pointed out the rink is much much smaller than what they would be used to. They were fabulous on tour when they had a bigger rink (though still not the right size) also live you can really appreciate the speed at which they travel across the rink. I think all the pros are of a great standard and are mostly very good teachers.”
“No she hasnt the only originals are Matt, Kristina and Dan. Kristina and Matt also went to Australia with the show. Frankie joined in series 2 where she partnered Lee Sharpe.
The pros get very little time to work on their routines and also as pointed out the rink is much much smaller than what they would be used to. They were fabulous on tour when they had a bigger rink (though still not the right size) also live you can really appreciate the speed at which they travel across the rink. I think all the pros are of a great standard and are mostly very good teachers.”
But not great personalities
Some of them seem so anonymous on tv, like they're only there to prop up the celebs. I know there isn't the depth of skaters as there are dancers as in SCD to find tv friendly pros but I think its a bit of a shame that we hardly get to know them. I like Kristina. Frankie was obviously a bit more sparkly last year. Fred seems sweet and Matt comes across a bit grumpy to me. I'm a bit irked that its so much effort to find their bios online.
Originally Posted by sk2007:
“Wow, I missed the first season, did NOT know that Todd Sand was taking part! Was he received well? ：）Wonder why Jenni Meno didn't skate too?”
“Wow, I missed the first season, did NOT know that Todd Sand was taking part! Was he received well? ：）Wonder why Jenni Meno didn't skate too?”
Yes, he was well recieved. From memory Kelly Holmes was very competitive which had a negative effect.
I dont' think the general public knew who he was and as far as what he could do with Kelly, it wasn't any different from the other male skaters.
I think Bonnie won hands down that year in the 'tricks and lifts' department with her elastic and tiny dancers body!
Well thats a whole other discussion, see other threads! I dont think you can say they dont have personalities lol, I've met alot of the pros and they're lovely.
I think itv can do way more to improve the balance and exposure of the skaters and make info about them more available etc. But also at the same time I dont think they need to be "celebrity" pros to do their job properly, which some of the SCD ones have become for the wrong reasons in the papers. But I would like to know more about them if they want me to like some of the SCD ones and I would like to see more of them as most would but alot of that is itvs decision and not the pros fault although some of the doi pros like to stay more in the background and have it all about the celeb and several of them have said that.
I do agree that they should be promoted and utilised more by itv and given more recognition. Some already get quite a bit of airtime, like matt, frankie and kristina and are certianly tv friendly but should get more airtime. There should also be proper bios on the itv site and more info but again getting new pros wont fix that, thats itvs fault. Most of them have websites, facebook and do web chats on other forums, they also feature in the dvds but a show like doi defrosted again would help. Lots do interviews with their partners on radio, in mags, newspapers and go to events and other pros dont. The celebs have spoken up quite a bit to try and get their pros recognised more, Kyran did for Mel and Suzanne did for Matt. More recognition is defo required from itv but they can do that without requiring starry pros.
I think itv can do way more to improve the balance and exposure of the skaters and make info about them more available etc. But also at the same time I dont think they need to be "celebrity" pros to do their job properly, which some of the SCD ones have become for the wrong reasons in the papers. But I would like to know more about them if they want me to like some of the SCD ones and I would like to see more of them as most would but alot of that is itvs decision and not the pros fault although some of the doi pros like to stay more in the background and have it all about the celeb and several of them have said that.
I do agree that they should be promoted and utilised more by itv and given more recognition. Some already get quite a bit of airtime, like matt, frankie and kristina and are certianly tv friendly but should get more airtime. There should also be proper bios on the itv site and more info but again getting new pros wont fix that, thats itvs fault. Most of them have websites, facebook and do web chats on other forums, they also feature in the dvds but a show like doi defrosted again would help. Lots do interviews with their partners on radio, in mags, newspapers and go to events and other pros dont. The celebs have spoken up quite a bit to try and get their pros recognised more, Kyran did for Mel and Suzanne did for Matt. More recognition is defo required from itv but they can do that without requiring starry pros.
Originally Posted by dancin' fool:
“Yes, he was well recieved. From memory Kelly Holmes was very competitive which had a negative effect.
I dont' think the general public knew who he was and as far as what he could do with Kelly, it wasn't any different from the other male skaters.
I think Bonnie won hands down that year in the 'tricks and lifts' department with her elastic and tiny dancers body!”
“Yes, he was well recieved. From memory Kelly Holmes was very competitive which had a negative effect.
I dont' think the general public knew who he was and as far as what he could do with Kelly, it wasn't any different from the other male skaters.
I think Bonnie won hands down that year in the 'tricks and lifts' department with her elastic and tiny dancers body!”
Awww...did he get on with Kelly? I'm feeling quite nostalgic now
I liked Meno and Sand - they were such a cute couple who looked besotted with each other, and with all that red hair I think they were the only note-worthy US pairs team in the early 90s if I remember right?
