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Westlife - Mandy
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ker
09-12-2003
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“Originally posted by maestro
With Westlife winning Record of the Year with Mandy, the Record of the Year acolade has lost any creditability it had. ”

i think it lost that last year when another miming cover version won (unchained melody )

i would have liked to have seen daniel bedingfield win it. great song - sold 450,000 copies and stayed in the charts for a good while. plus he sang it live on the night!

for a shite cover version to win when it had only been released for a couple of weeks and sold just over 100,000 copies was truly dire! i dont know what they were thinking when they nominated oh yes i do - 'how much money can we make when the westlife fans ring and vote for them '
pi r squared
09-12-2003
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“Originally posted by Jer101
The days of records selling millions every week and staying at number one for weeks seem to be long gone”

There has never been a time when a record has some 'millions every week' - a handful of records have sold over a million altogether but never 'every week'! Furthermore, how many weeks do you want a song to stay at Number 1 for? Of the 20 Number 1s of 2003, seven of them have stayed at the top for more than three weeks (viz. Tatu, Room 5, R Kelly, Evanescence, Beyonce, Blu Cantrell, and Black Eyed Peas). Compare this to, say, 1980 (picked for no other reason than it's the year I was born in) where, of 24 Number 1s, six stayed at the top for more than three weeks. That's just one-quarter of songs lasting more than two weeks in 1980, compared to over a third in 2003.

Yeah, things ain't what they used to be
maestro
09-12-2003
The main difference between the chart today and the chart a decade ago is that these days:

- songs enter high and then quickly drop down the chart
- crap like Westlife and Geri Haliwell can hit No.1 without being half-decent
pi r squared
09-12-2003
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“Originally posted by maestro
- songs enter high and then quickly drop down the chart ”

This, I grant you, is very true.

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“- crap like Westlife and Geri Haliwell can hit No.1 without being half-decent ”

Purrr-lease, Geri Halliwell hasn't been at Number 1 for two-and-a-half years. And let's not forget that a decade ago, we had our fair share of shite hitting number 1 too. Remember Partners in Kryme? Right Said Fred? The Shamen? Mr Blobby (TWICE!)? Doop?

People seem to have awfully selective memories when it comes to slating current music...
Jer101
09-12-2003
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“Originally posted by pi r squared
This, I grant you, is very true.


Purrr-lease, Geri Halliwell hasn't been at Number 1 for two-and-a-half years. And let's not forget that a decade ago, we had our fair share of shite hitting number 1 too. Remember Partners in Kryme? Right Said Fred? The Shamen? Mr Blobby (TWICE!)? Doop?

People seem to have awfully selective memories when it comes to slating current music...
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I just wish pop music would die out, like other forms of entertainement which once had the support of millions and become minority interests, like Horse Jumping. The kids I know are more interested in the games chart than the pop chart.

So yes Pop music isn't what it used to be, it is no longer the be all and end all of a teenagers life. (what self repecting teenager wants music largely targeted at tweenies?). In many ways that's a good thing, as it shows teenagers have more interests than they did. The problem is the music industry continue to push their twaddle like drug dealers and make unfair comparisons with their good old days.
TOML
10-12-2003
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“Originally posted by Jer101
I just wish pop music would die out, like other forms of entertainement which once had the support of millions and become minority interests, like Horse Jumping. The kids I know are more interested in the games chart than the pop chart.

So yes Pop music isn't what it used to be, it is no longer the be all and end all of a teenagers life. (what self repecting teenager wants music largely targeted at tweenies?). In many ways that's a good thing, as it shows teenagers have more interests than they did. The problem is the music industry continue to push their twaddle like drug dealers and make unfair comparisons with their good old days.
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I think pop music has taken a turn for the worst in the last 5 years, too much r'n'b/ hip-hop influenced pop.
Jer101
10-12-2003
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“Originally posted by TOML
I think pop music has taken a turn for the worst in the last 5 years, too much r'n'b/ hip-hop influenced pop. ”

The fact that radio 2 has a bigger audience that radio 1 says a lot, and that's not that current music is crap. It shows that pop music isn't as important to the current generation of youngsters as it was. The kids would rather be talking on their mobiles then lisiteneing to to the radio!
TOML
10-12-2003
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“Originally posted by Jer101
The fact that radio 2 has a bigger audience that radio 1 says a lot, and that's not that current music is crap. It shows that pop music isn't as important to the current generation of youngsters as it was. The kids would rather be talking on their mobiles then lisiteneing to to the radio! ”


Radio 1 is awful, they play such bland stuff which the Dj's like because it's ''cool''. I've never heard radio 1 play a song from before 1999.
As a teen i don't listen to much new stuff, instead i listen to older stuff and discover stuff which i was too ignorant to look for in the past.
Jer101
10-12-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by TOML
Radio 1 is awful, they play such bland stuff which the Dj's like because it's ''cool''. I've never heard radio 1 play a song from before 1999.
As a teen i don't listen to much new stuff, instead i listen to older stuff and discover stuff which i was too ignorant to look for in the past.
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As someone well past my teens I didn't think it was my place to condemn todays music in principle as I would sound like my father. All I can do is comment on observations which show how todays youngsters value, or don't value the music presented to them. Perhaps it's time for the kids themselves to have another Punk type revolution and make their own music. (not that I ever liked Punk, It forced out the 70's Rock music I did like).
TOML
10-12-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Jer101
As someone well past my teens I didn't think it was my place to condemn todays music in principle as I would sound like my father. All I can do is comment on observations which show how todays youngsters value, or don't value the music presented to them. Perhaps it's time for the kids themselves to have another Punk type revolution and make their own music. (not that I ever liked Punk, It forced out the 70's Rock music I did like). ”


Bring back britpop and drive out rap
Jer101
10-12-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by TOML
Bring back britpop and drive out rap ”

It's a modern sign of growing up when the pop music you like is no longer at the forefront of pop music. You can't put back the clock. It's time to find that quality music is out there that isn't in the pop charts at all.

One problem with the music industry targetting kids is that any self respecting late teenager is not going to like being reminded of being 11-14 and like that music forever. In the old days pop culture was for the late teens/20's and any band that got support from that age group got support for life.
afcbfan
11-12-2003
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“Originally posted by maestro
[b]Getting to No.1 is one of the most devalued achievements in recent years. I reckon it started with Take That.”

Quite interesting, this. If you look at chart history you'll find that records entering the chart at number one became commonplace after the Blur - Oasis battle with Country house and Roll with it? or whatever song it was.

That's when the marketing guys worked out the best way to get a record to number one in it's first week with discount prices, multiple formats etc.

After that everybody copied them.

Interesting to think that between Slade in 1973 and The Jam in 1980 not a single record entered the chart at number one. Indeed, there were only five or so in the eighties, if you don't include charity singles.

Sorry, totally off topic!
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