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Old 02-02-2009, 01:20
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The domestic cat is not indigenous to this country any more than the grey squirrel. And both cause an undue amount of damage to other wildlife. It's the domestic cat that particulary bothers him, not cats in general.
Let's take my cat as an example, I do not care whether my pet which belongs to me is indigenous or not, that was not my point and I never said they were - and plenty of domesticated animals are not indigenous to the UK. Man does far more damage to the wildlife in this country than cats to.

If you were to harm my cat without a lawful excuse - like it was an accident - you are harming what the law recognises as my property. That comes under the criminal damage act.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:35
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Let's take my cat as an example, I do not care whether my pet which belongs to me is indigenous or not, that was not my point and I never said they were - and plenty of domesticated animals are not indigenous to the UK. Man does far more damage to the wildlife in this country than cats to.

If you were to harm my cat without a lawful excuse - like it was an accident - you are harming what the law recognises as my property. That comes under the criminal damage act.
Sorry, by posting that they were part of the natural order, and that Chris Packham isnt a naturalist for disliking that they are able to roam the UK, and would take measures to stop an alien species invading his garden (by using a water gun it seems, not an actual gun) suggested to me that you meant they are part of the natural order (which then would be indigenous?) to the UK? or at least a naturalist shouldnt mind the damage alien species can do? I like domestic cats, but recognise that they certainly arent part of the natural order of the UK, and can cause significant damage to species which are. I think to say someone isnt a naturalist for their opinion of an alien species is a little harsh, for example, Steve Irwin had very hardline views on alien species in Australia, Im sure many naturalists do, but maybe dont want to upset cat owners.

I remember on springwatch (or autumnwatch?) Bill Oddie suggested that a mink had been "dealt with" I think? after it was taking eggs, I wasnt happy at hearing this, as I dont like to know about any animals being killed just for being somewhere that they shouldnt, by no fault of their own. Since its an alien species its ok though I guess, a feral domestic cat would be no different in that situation I guess?

I agree that man does more damage, this seems to be posted as some sort of counter argument each time someone questions cats "rights" to roam and cause damage to non-native wildlife. I'd like to think most people in the UK wouldnt actively contribute to the descruction of local species and the environment, thankfully theres groups at least of people that help preserve both. Humans has caused the extinctions of quite a few species, but has also saved quite a few from extinction. Feral and Domestic Cats has caused more bird extinctions worldwide than any other cause apparantly. It wouldnt be "nature taking its course" whenever a domesticated or feral domesticated cat kills a bird, especially on small islands that were never equipped for them, where birds may nest on the ground and think theres no predators.

If that is the law thats good, I guess it would cover all animals that are someone's "property" then, not cats exclusively?
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:19
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edit, tried editing, double post.
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Old 19-02-2009, 22:15
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Unbelievable! Bill Oddie has made Springwatch what it is today. It's success is largely down to him and Simon King. How many of you DUDES on here tearing his ability to shreads are continually regurgitating what you have learnt from him over the past 4 years to give you some sort of nature-cred.
Bill is a pure birder who has decades and decades of experience FIRST HAND of British Wildlife. He has forgotten more than a professional TV presenter like Kate Bumble will ever know. It is patently clear that she knows as much about wildlife as does a paper bag. But the paper bag has more of a personality though.

Simon King has decades ande decades of FIRST HAND knowlege too but less grumpy/nervy as Bill. However, to take him out of his element and put him in the studio would be like watching Red Deer in a zoo or Dolphins in an Aquarium. It doesn't work.

Gordon Buchanan whilst knowledgeable and experienced has the most boring voice on TV- again a no.

Chris Packham is a nightmare. He has a speech impediment. I have birded all over the south coast for 15 years yet have never seen him in the field. Does he actually have any real experience of wildlife? He also needs a pretty powerful torch as he appeatrs to be so far up his own ****. He is also pro-dog. How can that be compatible with wildlife?!!

Ben Fogle. Please tell me that you're joking. Again Mr Ego, speech impediment, and he wouldn't know an Orca from an Orchid.

Johnny Kingdom. Ha! ha!
ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!. Only marginally less laughable than Johnathan "phwoar!! look at those great t*ts!" Ross.

Bill has been forced out by the venom of those people who know and understand NOTHING about British Wildlife and will complain about anything.

Personally I think that the BBC will go beyond shooting themselves in the foot and aim a great big missile at it to finish it off and hire the black guy from The One Show to show how wonderfully switched on it is and to be seen to encourage minorities into the countryside.
A comendable motive itself but he ain't Oddie and I won't be watching.
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Old 19-02-2009, 22:26
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Bill is a pure birder who has decades and decades of experience FIRST HAND of British Wildlife. He has forgotten more than a professional TV presenter like Kate Bumble will ever know. It is patently clear that she knows as much about wildlife as does a paper bag. But the paper bag has more of a personality though.
I'm sure you're right that Kate could never compete with Bill in terms of knowledge, but I must differ on the personality.
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Old 19-02-2009, 22:41
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Gordon Buchanan whilst knowledgeable and experienced has the most boring voice on TV- again a no.
Sorry to pick just this out of your fairly extensive post but I'm just at the polar views we all have. Gordon Buchanan was the most captivating narrator of the series. His Fox Family reports were the main reason we watched SW, not just because he stayed up late at night to track and comment on them, or because we got attached to 'Jamie'. GB's delivery was anything BUT boring, you quickly became enamoured with the whole night life, danger, and the family, solely due to his expressive narration.

Having said that, I doubt he'd be up for enjoying the restricted and long hours of presenting from a hut in Martin Mere or wherever, waiting for the cue, trotting out scripted lines. That's boring.
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Old 20-02-2009, 04:50
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Chris Packham is a nightmare. He has a speech impediment. I have birded all over the south coast for 15 years yet have never seen him in the field. Does he actually have any real experience of wildlife? He also needs a pretty powerful torch as he appeatrs to be so far up his own ****. He is also pro-dog. How can that be compatible with wildlife?!!
What a load of rubbish!

Chris Packham has been presenting wildlife progs on TV since the late '80s. One of his shows even won a BAFTA award. He's also a trained TV cameraman as well as a keen wildlife photographer, and has an extensive collection of his own wildlife photographs. He's not a bird expert but has an all round knowledge of wildlife that includes birds, and was a presenter on Birdwatch for Meridian TV. His TV credentials speak for themselves.

He doesn't have a speech impediment either. You sound like you have some personal grudge against him.
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Old 20-02-2009, 11:10
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What a load of rubbish!

Chris Packham has been presenting wildlife progs on TV since the late '80s. One of his shows even won a BAFTA award. He's also a trained TV cameraman as well as a keen wildlife photographer, and has an extensive collection of his own wildlife photographs. He's not a bird expert but has an all round knowledge of wildlife that includes birds, and was a presenter on Birdwatch for Meridian TV. His TV credentials speak for themselves.

He doesn't have a speech impediment either. You sound like you have some personal grudge against him.
Let's hope there isn't a piece on Red Breasted Mergansers at Red Rocks then.

He is pro-dog as is Fogle. This is a wildlife programme that we are discussing. Dogs and wildlife are mutually exclusive.
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