17 (i think)

i dont think the score really matters, she was higher up than some of the other girls- its all about the leaderboard...imo

Someone posted that it was geography - related to where they live to do the show and where they have to train near there and where the pros live.

The hidden bit of the show is where all these people train, how T and D can mentor them equally and how well various contestants get to know each other.

thanks

How was Zoe's skating better, in your view?

I think DOI is failing miserably to make it clear what the contestants are supposed to do.

To me, Roxanne was better at skating because she showed she could skate without holding on to her partner, while with Zoe I wondered whether her confidence troubles and stumble last week had made her cautious of letting go.

I liked Zoe's routine, but I thought Roxanne's was at least as interesting and fun. Perhaps Zoe was faster over the ice (while holding on) or had more difficult lifts, but how does that add up to better skating, or better overall?

Roxanne has done nowt wrong. Ruthie Henshall is just jealous of her. Same for Jessica. She only rates her little pet Zoe

Without doubt I would rather watch Roxanne sitting on the sidelines than Zoe skating her heart out.

I haven't really connected with Roxanne as a viewer, to be honest. Her routines are nice and she's lovely but she's one of my least favourite contestants. I like Zoe better but that's just my personal preference.

And in terms of skating, Zoe was holding Matt's hand but she wasn't leaning on him so to speak. She was skating well enough on her own two feet, even a strong partner can't cover that,

Roxanne was under-marked though but I did feel that this week, Jason's comments were fair. Her core /was/ wobbly.

I totally agree with you, i cannot understand Roxy's marks at all.


I agree, its no wonder she finally said something back this week, Jason is picking on her and i can't see how everyone can't notice it


Again i agree, which Nicky noticed last night. None of the other females let go of their partners and for a few of them i rekon they would be on their backsides if they did. Ok maybe Roxy is a bit wobbly in some parts on her own but atleast shes trying, the other females can't possible wobble as they never let go. Im not saying all the other females can't skate on their own as Zoe and Jessica seem to be pretty ok so im sure they could do alright. For example Zoe skated on her own last week and had a bit of a trip yet she was congradulated for trying, yet Roxy is a tad unstable (rather than actually having a trip) and she is critised.

She was better than she was last week, but she got lower marks than she did last week. There's something wrong there, and it must be discouraging.

When someone improves that much they ought to get higher marks, or at least the same. Otherwise, what are they supposed to do to get higher marks?


Jason seems to have a problem with Roxy for some reason, and Ruthie seems to have a problem with Jessica.


I suspect it's no accident that the judges who know skating are more constructive and seem to have fewer random biases, while the others tend to make a big deal out of relatively minor things. However, I think Jason has a point about Roxy's "core". We know from the VTs in the first show that Roxy's general level of physical fitness was low. So she'll need to work harder at that then Jessica or Zoe. However, she is learning how to skate which imo is the most important thing.

They make it so obvious too

Its just stupid tbh, her routine was much better this week she did alot of skating on her own, good lifts. D&T said it was her best yet, but she still gets lower marks.



I think its unfair and something should be done about it, surely everyone can notice his unfairness towards her.



Exactly unlike the other girls she is skating on her own she never fell, tripped so whats the big deal. Ok shes a tad wobbly in places but for goodness sake shes only been skating a matter of months. She is far better than some of the others on the show and with regardes to the marks some of them get, Roxy should have gotten higher ones

I thought Roxanne deserved higher points than Zoe but not than Michael.

Zoe is this year's Gaynor Faye. The trolley being pushed around by her partner.


Unlike other girls but Jessica who is not only skating on her own but far better than any of the other female celebrities.

Yes i mentioned Jess in my post above, i think she is clearly a good skater but have to say i don't think she lets go much either. Saying that i don't think its a case of she can't as like you said i think shes deff the best female this year.

I agree about Zoe she never lets go and when she did last week she nearly fell on her bum. Maybe it was just nerves but why she gets congradulated on nearly falling over and Roxy gets critised for being a bit wobbly il never know.

I feel the same. Her harping on about keeping her legs together bordered on the vulgar.

Jason's really taken a dislike to Roxanne I've noticed.

He has his favourites and that's how he'll stay - perhaps they're told to favour those who'll give the show the most media coverage.

Who knows? These shows are mostly fixed somehow or other - I doubt whoever you vote for makes any difference.

I think Roxanne would be really good and will improve to be one of the best - if only her confidence wasn't dented every week by the judges.

I think Jason just seems to dislike her. Maybe because she's quite feisty and responds to him when he criticises her? But she improves every week and has shown herself to be a good & independent skater. Long may it continue - she's ace!

Perhaps that wasn't unnecessarily OTT but to slate her for the angle she held her hand when, unlike Ray, she's not a dancer and therefore doesn't instinctively know these things, could be said to be unnecessarily OTT. He may perhaps have been correct but it wasn't particularly constructive; it came across as finding fault just for the sake of it.

I get a feeling its Dan that Jason doesnt like! Last 2 years hes had partners who have also been slated badly, fair enough Emily was a nervous wreck at times BUT there was no need for some of Jasons comments, last year again Linda got slated for not skating on her own enough, this year Dan gets someone who CAN skate unasisted from show one and guess what? it gets TOTALLY ignored by Jason and yet again he slates the girl. BUT others get carried/pushed about by partner,stumble wobble BUT get higher marks..................

Zoe skates on her own and is often doing tricks (hops, one leg, turns) when she is in contact. Roxanne didn't do that much more on her own and she did less with her partner. Zoe clearly had bigger lifts and acted her routine better and more with the music (though that may be partly the choreograhy and making Roxy's too difficult )

I would have had Zoe marked a bit higher and Jessica who does very little on top of skating with minimal wow factor or risk perhaps lower.

The ones I think should have been swapped were Michael and Roxanne. Roxanne was worth about 18 wheras Michael looks like a man skating not that much better than Todd at times and doing nothing but watch his partner for much of his routine.

I think the problem is that there is no way the judges have a chance to agree to give Roxanne 18 and she gets caught in a box between being not as good as Zoe or Jessica and being a bit better than Melinda and Colleen . She gets undermarked to make a clear difference with those above whilst Colleen and Melinda had space to be overmarked in as long as Zoe got more. Michael ended up benefitting from the same issue because he was better than the other males but much worse than Ray. Unless they can decide together on the final total thats whats going to happen as it can be sheer luck if the marks come out 16.5. 18.5 20 21.5 or . 18 , 17, 21. 20.5.

With the judges split between prioritising the skating and performance its also possible to do better by doing better at one and the same or slightly worse at the other. If you register as good on one scale (Michael or Zoe or Jessica ) you will get more marks than someone who almost but doesn't quite register on both. You can't deal with that without having more marks to play with and two scales which would be too complicated probably.

Given that you're watching Dancing on ice your posts highlight a very disdainful view of actual skating ability Does there have to be the risk of death and dismemberment for it to impress you?

Michael was not that bad. I think he is still a bit nervous from breaking his ankle last time. He is certainly in a different class to Todd.

I would place him as just above Collen.

Imo, the biggest mistake made with the female celebs is having them spend too much time on lifts and not enough on skating. I doubt Suzanne would have won last year if she hadn't been criticised early enough for a routine that was overpacked with lifts.

I think Zoe and her partner (and T&D?) are getting it right by having skating on her own. That way, she gets to practice it every week and develop her confidence and skill. That will come in very handy when the required element is a spin or a jump, and it will protect her from the standard criticism that a female celeb is being pushed, thrown around, etc, rather than skating; it will also give her routines more variety. (I don't think Roxy is doing anything wrong at this point. She's doing what she should be doing.)

Zoe's moves are crisper than Roxanne's, her lifts are fearlessly better executed, and she can skate on her own. But if it's not in her routines, she won't be spending much time practicing it.

Jessica's the best placed of the women because she can already skate pretty well and mostly needs to work on her expressiveness (which isn't actually as bad as the show is making out). But she needs to work on her skating too, to keep her edge over the others.

I seem to have been right in my suspicion that Roxy is the right shape to do the exciting stuff

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2201849.ece

The picture is under the slideshow button - the article and picture give away what she's doing if you don't want to know.

Just moving around is what you can see at any ice rink. Its not much more exciting than a walking race . The options are to do difficult things like go fast and do spins which no one on the show really can do (and in your terms are dangerous) and/or to dance well and act a story which Zoe is already starting to do and/or to do something exciting on top which is what all the past girls who have been competitive have done. Add to that the girls probably have to do something more exciting to get over the pro-male bias in the vote anyway- the girls have too far to make up to match Ray at dancing or acting and even if they did equal him they won't get as many votes so its either more excitement or a pretty inevitable conclusion or an incredible one .