For me, the major annoyance is the fact that going into guide/media unpauses the video. I try to pause the video so that I can concentrate on the guide data but it won't have any of it! It is so incredibly annoying. I hope this is fixed. I don't want to be viewing or listening to TV when I'm trying to concentrate on the TV guide. For the moment, I am using the mute on my amp, but this MUST be fixed, please!

In close second is the fact that you can't use instant replay out of pause. You have to be playing to use the skip backwards/forwards controls.

I have two more... Stay with me!

My third gripe is the absence of an "overshoot compensation" when fast forwarding/rewinding. I hate to bring TiVo in as an example, but there's no denying that TiVo borders on perfection. When you fast forward/rewind on TiVo, on the next press of "play", it would go back a few seconds to before the point you pressed play. It meant you could skip through ads, press play as soon as you saw the programme come back on, and then the compensation would put you perfectly to the beginning of the next part. I wish my new Foxsat HDR had this!

The fourth annoying thing for me is the frequent exits to a black screen - coming out of the guide, stopping at the end of a programme. Only a reboot or HDMI cable out and back in will sort it out.

How about everyone else? Do these things annoy you? Are there other things you would like to see fixed by Humax ASAP?

I'm going to be naughty and slip in another!

Deleting a programme is done in the foreground - WHY?! Why can't I do something else while this is being done in the background? It's almost like I'm having to wait for zeros to be written to disk!

Being unable to use the mp3 player without switching the TV on and off 20 times a day.

Not being able to edit recordings.

Not being able to move or delete while recording.

Having both a back and exit button, there should only be one. Some menus make you use one button to exit, some make you use the others but you never know which is which. Some like when in the guide make you use the guide button to exit. Horrible navigating.

Very poor remote.

No frame advance.

As for the compensation, use 1 min for advance and 15sec for rewind, its quicker to skip by mins than to search manually. Its better and quicker than TIVO this way.

I'm with you on that one. Really stupid. I also don't like the fact that Media (Now Playing/Recordings) and Guide (Set Programmes to Record) are on separate buttons. Also stupid if you ask me.

I will have to have a play with the skip forwards/backwards suggestions you gave me, thanks.

Don't get that at all, but if the box is awake (recording) when I switch the TV on, it won't show a picture unless I pull the HDMI and reconnect (forcing a renegotiation? why does it not do this when you press power? Is this related to it autoswitching the TV for a couple of seconds if I've got the telly on when it wakes up for a recording?)

It's a good deal worse than you describe, Eric, in two respects - firstly, if you're watching time-shifted bringing up the guide will wipe the buffer and stick you back in real time thereby missing a chunk of the programme and, secondly, it won't let you record the buffer. Yet if you press 'Schedule' and then the green button you can get to the guide without this happening But then the guide is not at the current time, it's at the beginning of the day so you have to scroll way down This all happens because every time you press the guide button it refreshes the guide information and it needs a tuner to do that. But if you're not using one of the tuners why the hell doesn't it use the unused one? And why does it have to refresh the guide every single time you press 'guide'? It may only be moments since it was last pressed. Bloody insane if you ask me.

Why is the 'file manager' separate from the 'media'? Why can you delete a recording in 'media' but have to go to 'file manager' to delete the folder it's in?

Why can you not select items in the recording schedule to see what up-coming programmes there are?

Why is almost every aspect of this machine not as good as Tivo, a box developed over ten years ago and seemingly ignored by the Humax development monkeys?

The most annoying thing for me is I still can't get them!

I was lucky when I popped into a Comet a month ago and enquired. They were out of stock, but happened to have one that a customer had returned as it wasn't what he wanted. Result!

I'm not a heavy user, so all this "Can't delete while recording...EPG unpauses playback" stuff hasn't affected me. My only gripe with it at the moment is the rather poor controller performance. I get a Radio Times every week, but like to use the EPG to scan through what's coming on, and I sometimes press the scroll-down button several times before the Humax responds.

A Page Down button in the EPG would be good, like I had with my Skybox.

Also a way to get the EPG to only display my favourite channels would be good. (For all I know it might actually be possible!)

I find using the button on the remote that is actually marked Page (just above it) a good one to use

What I hate most about the HDR is the lack of two stickers on the retail box:

One saying 'Don't buy this if you are a complete numpty!' and the other saying 'Don't buy this if you want this to be a Sky+HD box, but you are too cheap to pay for the subs!'...

....and one next to where it says 'Ethernet port' saying 'but it doesn't work and we can't tell you when it will'

You should ask Freesat about this (the iPlayer services)... I am sure Humax are working on the iPlayer facilities, but if you want FTP and other services, then to quote the wise cat: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...73&postcount=5

"... I would never buy a product based on future functionality otherwise it is a less than wise investment."

If you were to go out and purchase the HDR now, you should only buy it if you want it for what it currently does (and maybe with warts and all). Otherwise, wait for what you want to be provided (either on this box or another) or purchase Sky+HD! You are the consumer you have the choice!

Agreed they are not mammoth problems but the inability to delete (or spoof delete) is such a numpty piece of programming it really should be sorted out ASAP.

The unpausing on accessing the EPG (or media list) is also a pretty stupid way to behave because it is pretty certain that if you paused and accessed the EPG it is because you don't want to miss any of what you are watching.

Just something (like the way subtitles turn themselves on and you can't turn them off or on in some modes) that makes the box seem amateurish and unfinished.

I have always heard that Humax are particularly good at sorting out these sort of silly niggles so I hope that they will do so in the near future. OTOH, if they don't it won't be the end of the world.

You miss my point entirely son_t, the box says 'Ethernet port', it doesn't say 'Ethernet port that doesn't do anything at present'. I purchased one of these fully informed and with my eyes wide open so I knew it wouldn't work. 99% of people buying these off the shelf in John Lewis (if they were on the shelf that is!) do not frequent these or the Hummy forums, nor should they need to, and what is written on the HDR box is more than misleading.

What do you find ANNOYING about the Foxsat HDR

Posts about the unit, where members have to be rude or insulting about the manufacturer/hard working engineers, in an effort to get their point across

It doesn't say 'working ethernet port' either It means it has a physical port, just as it has a physical CI slot...


If it does not do what it says on the box, they are entitled to return it. They are not entitled to moan (and especially do what is say in the above post...)

Silly me. It's hardly 'just as it has a physical CI slot' - the CI slot works, a rather fundamental difference, don't you think?


Really? I'm not entitled to moan? I'm entitled to do exactly as I please (within the law) and so are you.

We are all entitled to moan, so if you don't want to moan, click on another thread!

If these silly issues don't get identified, and the people at Humax don't know what to fix, then they will never get fixed.

Now back to the moaning please...

Plug in an RJ45 (works). HDR gets an DHCP IP address. You can ping it. It works!



Wait... <peels two stickers off the HDR retail box, sticks one over each ear*>... go ahead guys...

[See no evil, hear no evil, ... ] That's me done!

*Or eyes in this case

Excellent! What more functionality could I possibly want? What a fool I've been, I take it all back.

Quite. For a device of this complexity the relative freedom from bugs and annoyances is remarkable.

I will be very happy if they just fix the "well, I really wouldn't expect it to do that type of bug/annoyance".

mmmmm, quite indeed

Yes, but it's a tiny, tiny, proportion of the functionality of the whole device.

It's perfectly acceptable (well, I think reasonable people would find it acceptable) that a few things like this could slip through for initial release.

It would be nice if they can be tidied up but I would quite happily buy this device again unaltered.

Very true. Good grief horace, it's only just come out. The bugs will be addressed and the iPlayer functionality will come when it's ready. And when the BBC is ready.

For a new box, it's not bad at all. Tivo was by no means perfect when it first came out either. Have a little patience.

My main annoyances:-

1. Schedule Tracking not working when padding is added.
2. Not reporting recording clashes and then dropping recordings due to higher priority recordings (surely we should decide recording priority?)
3. Folder list view - I'd rather list all programs in the order they were recorded.
4. Not being able to delete whilst recording.