iPhone MMS

05-02-2009, 17:52

Can someone remind me as to why Apple did not include MMS on the iPhone. I've trawled the net but just come up with disgruntled rants from owners wanting to MMS.

Daveoc64 · 05-02-2009, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by the researcher

Can someone remind me as to why Apple did not include MMS on the iPhone. I've trawled the net but just come up with disgruntled rants from owners wanting to MMS.

Apple frequently omits features when it feels that the product can survive without them.

That's not particularly good for consumers.

dreamfish · 05-02-2009, 19:52

I read that it is because in the US, most people don't send SMS/MMS. I don't know how true this is...

Mr Cable · 05-02-2009, 21:12

IMHO Apple didn't include it as;

1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data Transfer either.

2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions.

This from an iphone owner/user.

Daveoc64 · 05-02-2009, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Cable

IMHO Apple didn't include it as;

1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data Transfer either.

2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions.

This from an iphone owner/user.

I'd agree with that, especially number 2.

kyussmondo · 06-02-2009, 07:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Cable

IMHO Apple didn't include it as;

1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data Transfer either.

I have checked out Mail2Web and it works with the iPhone perfectly and the push works faultlessly. It is also easy to sync it up with my OS X Address Book. However, the problem I have is with the mail and calendars on the computer. I haven't been able to find a way how to sync it up with a desktop email client, because the Outlook Web Access is completely lacking especially when prepared to other webmail clients such as GMail, Yahoo Mail or Hotmail. The thing I really miss is being able to start typing a contact into the To field when composing an email and the contacts start showing up. Any ideas on moving Mail2Web to the desktop for free?

I am currently using GMail because the web interface is so much better, plus I can use NuevaSync to push my Google Calendars to my iPhone. I would like to use Mail2Web though because it does work so well.

andybno1 · 06-02-2009, 08:16

apple will probably release the new iPhone this year with MMS and act like it's some kind of new groundbreaking feature lol

bandish1888 · 06-02-2009, 08:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by andybno1

apple will probably release the new iPhone this year with MMS and act like it's some kind of new groundbreaking feature lol

ye that and "actual" bluetooth capability because the way it is just now is terrible

deans6571 · 06-02-2009, 10:21

....just download the free MMS app from the app store if you want MMS - it works flawlessly....!!

clonmult · 06-02-2009, 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandish1888

ye that and "actual" bluetooth capability because the way it is just now is terrible

They'll add MMS, full bluetooth (data, A2DP), video recording, and claim its the 3rd coming ....

sancheeez · 06-02-2009, 11:13

I can't see them ever adding bluetooth data transfer. That would allow you to move files aound with going through iTunes which goes TOTALLY against the Apple grain.

A2DP maybe, but not data.

clonmult · 06-02-2009, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by sancheeez

I can't see them ever adding bluetooth data transfer. That would allow you to move files aound with going through iTunes which goes TOTALLY against the Apple grain.

A2DP maybe, but not data.

Adding bluetooth for synching data wouldn't be against the Apple grain at all - why not allow bluetooth data sync, or tethering as a modem?

A2DP should have been in there from the outset - its a pretty useful feature for a media centric device.

sancheeez · 06-02-2009, 12:56

I could see them allowing bluetooth data sync to your iTunes maybe.

What I mean is free data movement to any old bluetooth device. I can't see them allowing that. Apple like everything done through iTunes, free bluetooth data movement would circumvent that.

ie.

"Whats that MP3 you have there John?"
"Oh, it's <such and such>"
"Cool. Can you bluetooth it over to my <insert phone name>?"
"No problem"
*bluetooth data transfer to random non-Apple phone commences*

Thats what I can't see happening.

The Phazer · 06-02-2009, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by sancheeez

I could see them allowing bluetooth data sync to your iTunes maybe.

What I mean is free data movement to any old bluetooth device. I can't see them allowing that. Apple like everything done through iTunes, free bluetooth data movement would circumvent that.

ie.

"Whats that MP3 you have there John?"
"Oh, it's <such and such>"
"Cool. Can you bluetooth it over to my <insert phone name>?"
"No problem"
*bluetooth data transfer to random non-Apple phone commences*

Thats what I can't see happening.

That's easily solved - just don't give the Bluetooth utility access to the entire file system. Allow it to send and receive v-cards (the iPhone is the only phone I can remember for eight years that didn't accept or send v-cards. Even OSX desktops have native v-card support!) and give it access to a sandboxed documents folder and the picture folder, and that's it.

You now have functional bluetooth for 99.99% of uses that doesn't allow any sharing of music (well, you could drop them into the documents folder, but they wouldn’t play).

Phazer

Matt D · 06-02-2009, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by deans6571

....just download the free MMS app from the app store if you want MMS - it works flawlessly....!!

...except you have to pay to send an MMS.

If Apple actually gave us mere plebs proper MMS themselves, any MMS you sent would presumably just come out of your normal message allowance as with any other mobile phone (1 MMS = 4 SMS IIRC?).

call100 · 06-02-2009, 22:35

Are these not things they can add with updates? Why is there a need to wait for the next version?
Genuine questions....Coz I don't know...

Dan Sette · 06-02-2009, 23:04

Or

If MMS is important to you, don't get an iPhone.

Daveoc64 · 07-02-2009, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D

...except you have to pay to send an MMS.

If Apple actually gave us mere plebs proper MMS themselves, any MMS you sent would presumably just come out of your normal message allowance as with any other mobile phone (1 MMS = 4 SMS IIRC?).

That is true.

O2 does allow you to use your allowance for media messages (4 messaging credits, like you say).

jammers · 07-02-2009, 02:26

Apple tends to be first n removing features people think they need like the floppy disk drive. People eventually catch up. I suspect that MMS is one of those features that will eventually vanish. Why pay out of your allowance to send a picture when you can do it for free via email?

Bluetooth sync will never happen as it is too slow. I doubt they will even offer Wi-Fi as it is still so much quicker through a cable.

Kenny Maclean · 07-02-2009, 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

They'll add MMS, full bluetooth (data, A2DP), video recording, and claim its the 3rd coming ....

Not at the same time though, there's at lest iPhone v3, v4, and v5 there.

sancheeez · 07-02-2009, 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Cable

2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions.

Looks like you were right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jammers

Apple tends to be first n removing features people think they need like the floppy disk drive. People eventually catch up. I suspect that MMS is one of those features that will eventually vanish. Why pay out of your allowance to send a picture when you can do it for free via email?

Bluetooth sync will never happen as it is too slow. I doubt they will even offer Wi-Fi as it is still so much quicker through a cable.

Sean10 · 08-02-2009, 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Sette

Or

If MMS is important to you, don't get an iPhone.

Agree with that... I love my iPhone and added the mms app via the app store, thought I would use it.... great for viewing the few pics which get sent around but to send I just use email

neil79 · 08-02-2009, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Cable

IMHO Apple didn't include it as;

1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data
Transfer either.

2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions.

This from an iphone owner/user.

Ha Ha if you don't like what is on offer from Apple nobody is forcing people to buy from them :yawn:

Don't worry MS is making a Zune phone

As for MMS why would a i phone user bother when they have email . Get with the times.

Some people say they use MMS when they want to send to people with older/out of date phones but seriously if the picture is worth sending either email, send to a free web page or print it out and do everyone a favour.

sancheeez · 08-02-2009, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Cable

2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions.

Wow!

Quote:

Originally Posted by neil79

Ha Ha if you don't like what is on offer from Apple nobody is forcing people to buy from them :yawn:

Don't worry MS is making a Zune phone

As for MMS why would a i phone user bother when they have email . Get with the times.

Some people say they use MMS when they want to send to people with older/out of date phones but seriously if the picture is worth sending either email, send to a free web page or print it out and do everyone a favour.

Your point proved twice ... and we're not even on page 2 yet!

Impressive.

neil79 · 08-02-2009, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by sancheeez

Wow!

Your point proved twice ... and we're not even on page 2 yet!

Impressive.

Don't worry if you need any help on how to email on a phone just send me a PM and I will talk you through it

Your phone does have email ?

05-02-2009, 17:52	#1
the researcher Posts: n/a	iPhone MMS Can someone remind me as to why Apple did not include MMS on the iPhone. I've trawled the net but just come up with disgruntled rants from owners wanting to MMS.

05-02-2009, 17:59	#2
Daveoc64 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bristol (BBC1 West) Posts: 15,143	Quote: Originally Posted by the researcher Can someone remind me as to why Apple did not include MMS on the iPhone. I've trawled the net but just come up with disgruntled rants from owners wanting to MMS. Apple frequently omits features when it feels that the product can survive without them. That's not particularly good for consumers.

05-02-2009, 19:52	#3
dreamfish Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,512	I read that it is because in the US, most people don't send SMS/MMS. I don't know how true this is...

05-02-2009, 21:12	#4
Mr Cable Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,868	IMHO Apple didn't include it as; 1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data Transfer either. 2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions. This from an iphone owner/user.

05-02-2009, 22:39	#5
Daveoc64 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bristol (BBC1 West) Posts: 15,143	Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Cable IMHO Apple didn't include it as; 1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data Transfer either. 2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions. This from an iphone owner/user. I'd agree with that, especially number 2.

06-02-2009, 07:18	#6
kyussmondo Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk Posts: 1,731	Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Cable IMHO Apple didn't include it as; 1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data Transfer either. I have checked out Mail2Web and it works with the iPhone perfectly and the push works faultlessly. It is also easy to sync it up with my OS X Address Book. However, the problem I have is with the mail and calendars on the computer. I haven't been able to find a way how to sync it up with a desktop email client, because the Outlook Web Access is completely lacking especially when prepared to other webmail clients such as GMail, Yahoo Mail or Hotmail. The thing I really miss is being able to start typing a contact into the To field when composing an email and the contacts start showing up. Any ideas on moving Mail2Web to the desktop for free? I am currently using GMail because the web interface is so much better, plus I can use NuevaSync to push my Google Calendars to my iPhone. I would like to use Mail2Web though because it does work so well.

06-02-2009, 08:16	#7
andybno1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Liverpool, UK Posts: 6,065	apple will probably release the new iPhone this year with MMS and act like it's some kind of new groundbreaking feature lol

06-02-2009, 08:34	#8
bandish1888 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,189	Quote: Originally Posted by andybno1 apple will probably release the new iPhone this year with MMS and act like it's some kind of new groundbreaking feature lol ye that and "actual" bluetooth capability because the way it is just now is terrible

06-02-2009, 10:21	#9
deans6571 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: S.Croydon, Surrey Posts: 3,076	....just download the free MMS app from the app store if you want MMS - it works flawlessly....!!

06-02-2009, 10:38	#10
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by bandish1888 ye that and "actual" bluetooth capability because the way it is just now is terrible They'll add MMS, full bluetooth (data, A2DP), video recording, and claim its the 3rd coming ....

06-02-2009, 11:13	#11
sancheeez Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,762	I can't see them ever adding bluetooth data transfer. That would allow you to move files aound with going through iTunes which goes TOTALLY against the Apple grain. A2DP maybe, but not data.

06-02-2009, 12:08	#12
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by sancheeez I can't see them ever adding bluetooth data transfer. That would allow you to move files aound with going through iTunes which goes TOTALLY against the Apple grain. A2DP maybe, but not data. Adding bluetooth for synching data wouldn't be against the Apple grain at all - why not allow bluetooth data sync, or tethering as a modem? A2DP should have been in there from the outset - its a pretty useful feature for a media centric device.

06-02-2009, 12:56	#13
sancheeez Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,762	I could see them allowing bluetooth data sync to your iTunes maybe. What I mean is free data movement to any old bluetooth device. I can't see them allowing that. Apple like everything done through iTunes, free bluetooth data movement would circumvent that. ie. "Whats that MP3 you have there John?" "Oh, it's <such and such>" "Cool. Can you bluetooth it over to my <insert phone name>?" "No problem" bluetooth data transfer to random non-Apple phone commences Thats what I can't see happening.

06-02-2009, 16:22	#14
The Phazer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8,213	Quote: Originally Posted by sancheeez I could see them allowing bluetooth data sync to your iTunes maybe. What I mean is free data movement to any old bluetooth device. I can't see them allowing that. Apple like everything done through iTunes, free bluetooth data movement would circumvent that. ie. "Whats that MP3 you have there John?" "Oh, it's <such and such>" "Cool. Can you bluetooth it over to my <insert phone name>?" "No problem" bluetooth data transfer to random non-Apple phone commences Thats what I can't see happening. That's easily solved - just don't give the Bluetooth utility access to the entire file system. Allow it to send and receive v-cards (the iPhone is the only phone I can remember for eight years that didn't accept or send v-cards. Even OSX desktops have native v-card support!) and give it access to a sandboxed documents folder and the picture folder, and that's it. You now have functional bluetooth for 99.99% of uses that doesn't allow any sharing of music (well, you could drop them into the documents folder, but they wouldn’t play). Phazer

06-02-2009, 18:52	#15
Matt D Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 13,064	Quote: Originally Posted by deans6571 ....just download the free MMS app from the app store if you want MMS - it works flawlessly....!! ...except you have to pay to send an MMS. If Apple actually gave us mere plebs proper MMS themselves, any MMS you sent would presumably just come out of your normal message allowance as with any other mobile phone (1 MMS = 4 SMS IIRC?).

06-02-2009, 22:35	#16
call100 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,572	Are these not things they can add with updates? Why is there a need to wait for the next version? Genuine questions....Coz I don't know...

06-02-2009, 23:04	#17
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Or If MMS is important to you, don't get an iPhone.

07-02-2009, 01:14	#18
Daveoc64 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bristol (BBC1 West) Posts: 15,143	Quote: Originally Posted by Matt D ...except you have to pay to send an MMS. If Apple actually gave us mere plebs proper MMS themselves, any MMS you sent would presumably just come out of your normal message allowance as with any other mobile phone (1 MMS = 4 SMS IIRC?). That is true. O2 does allow you to use your allowance for media messages (4 messaging credits, like you say).

07-02-2009, 02:26	#19
jammers Inactive Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London Posts: 4,223	Apple tends to be first n removing features people think they need like the floppy disk drive. People eventually catch up. I suspect that MMS is one of those features that will eventually vanish. Why pay out of your allowance to send a picture when you can do it for free via email? Bluetooth sync will never happen as it is too slow. I doubt they will even offer Wi-Fi as it is still so much quicker through a cable.

07-02-2009, 07:26	#20
Kenny Maclean Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,242	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult They'll add MMS, full bluetooth (data, A2DP), video recording, and claim its the 3rd coming .... Not at the same time though, there's at lest iPhone v3, v4, and v5 there.

07-02-2009, 10:01	#21
sancheeez Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,762	Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Cable 2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions. Looks like you were right. Quote: Originally Posted by jammers Apple tends to be first n removing features people think they need like the floppy disk drive. People eventually catch up. I suspect that MMS is one of those features that will eventually vanish. Why pay out of your allowance to send a picture when you can do it for free via email? Bluetooth sync will never happen as it is too slow. I doubt they will even offer Wi-Fi as it is still so much quicker through a cable.

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08-02-2009, 09:19	#22
Sean10 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Plymouth, Devon Posts: 340	Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Sette Or If MMS is important to you, don't get an iPhone. Agree with that... I love my iPhone and added the mms app via the app store, thought I would use it.... great for viewing the few pics which get sent around but to send I just use email

08-02-2009, 13:43	#23
neil79 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 506	Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Cable IMHO Apple didn't include it as; 1) they had a vested interest in promoting email for picture (and other) data transfers. This may seem a fairly normal act but the level they plug their profit making Mobile Me to is outrageous (I'll stick with my free push email via mail2web.com, ta). They also didn't seem to want to enable the Bluetooth for Data Transfer either. 2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions. This from an iphone owner/user. Ha Ha if you don't like what is on offer from Apple nobody is forcing people to buy from them :yawn: Don't worry MS is making a Zune phone As for MMS why would a i phone user bother when they have email . Get with the times. Some people say they use MMS when they want to send to people with older/out of date phones but seriously if the picture is worth sending either email, send to a free web page or print it out and do everyone a favour.

08-02-2009, 13:49	#24
sancheeez Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,762	Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Cable 2) they knew that a significant proportion of Apple purchasers are happy with whatever Apple tell them and would never question their decisions. Wow! Quote: Originally Posted by neil79 Ha Ha if you don't like what is on offer from Apple nobody is forcing people to buy from them :yawn: Don't worry MS is making a Zune phone As for MMS why would a i phone user bother when they have email . Get with the times. Some people say they use MMS when they want to send to people with older/out of date phones but seriously if the picture is worth sending either email, send to a free web page or print it out and do everyone a favour. Your point proved twice ... and we're not even on page 2 yet! Impressive.

08-02-2009, 15:43	#25
neil79 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 506	Quote: Originally Posted by sancheeez Wow! Your point proved twice ... and we're not even on page 2 yet! Impressive. Don't worry if you need any help on how to email on a phone just send me a PM and I will talk you through it Your phone does have email ?