Note to Pip: HIT HARDER!!!!!!!!!!!

Indeed I did, and it would appear that your idea of objective and mine differ. As far as I am concerned that ONE dentist comment expressed his personal feelings of repugnance and, hence, was subjective. It set the tone for any response he received in my opinion. I fail to understand how you can judge his comment to be objective, yet her response to that comment to be immature and petulant.

Okay, read this. Based on THIS Paragraph, do you believe that he has made absolutely no constructive comments to her?

Constructive critisism should always start with a good point, then focus on what should be improved. It is simple communication skills. He says her leg lines are abysmal but does not say why, or how to improve them!

"pay attention to the details" is how she improves on them. Which he says after a positive comment about wanting to see her get better.

Problem is, when he starts making nasty, uncalled for comments about people's personal appearance, then everything else gets lost in the mix.

You cannot defend somebody for being a complete shit by saying .. yes, but .....

Psychosis, I have never claimed that Jason has made no constructive comments to Roxanne. My point is that by prefacing his constructive remarks with a single destructive remark, which is the remark that illicited a response from both the audience and Roxanne, I seriously doubt anyone there listened to, even if they heard, his subsequent remarks. He also deserved whatever reaction he received in return.

IMO Jason can be as 'cutting or humorous' as he wishes when he directs his comments appropriately, for example his comment to Todd re.. accident in pants..was his description of Todd's posture and stance. That is NOT the same as enlikening his anticipation of viewing Roxanne's performances per se to that of a visit to the dentist

Well I for one hope Roxy gets her critique from other judges this week.

I took the dentist remark to mean that its not nice because she isn't improving and you watch it with gritted teeth because alot of it you have already pointed out to improve and when someone doesn't improve on something you've stated week after week you can use the phrase 'like pulling teeth'. which is why I think Jason likened her to going to the dentist.

Why so she can be mollicoddled into thinking she is actuallt good

In that case I take her remark to mean he should have his heart's desire and have them pulled


No, so she can actually receive some advise expressed in a more objective manner perhaps.

I wonder if Roxanne and Jason will continue their comments tomorrow.

Morning All

Well this thread has given me a few much needed laugh out loud moments this morning!

At face value and as a former teacher, I would have to agree that the old fashioned praise sandwich is usually a more palatable way of delivering critique.
But
You also have to factor in the recipient of said critique's ability and willingness to receive constructive criticism.

Imho, Roxanne hasn't really displayed much respect for Jason, who *is* in fact paid to be on a review panel and to deliver his opinion on her performance. As the viewing public we are bound to be split into loving or loathing both contestants and judges, so no small wonder about the differing opinions on this thread.
Conversely, whilst Jason's style of delivery isn't everyone's cup of cha cha cha(optional R) he does in fact make valid points to Roxy on her performance.

Frankly, as a country, the slow erosion of competitive sports in schools, the focus on participation rather than perfection, and the general inability to accept both differences in opinion and criticism have left us unable to debate or perform; and whatever happened to the great british institution of knuckling down, rolling up our sleeves and getting on with the job !

peace out!

Hey, Miss_M *waves*

I agree with you up to a point.

I think Roxy is frustrated because Jason really does seem to have it in for her. The week she did a perfect performance to Genie in a Bottle, she was absolutely slated by Jason for not holding her hands at a perfect 90º angle but Zoe stumbled and nearly fell and the judges said straight out that they didn't care about that. To me, the angle Roxy held her hands at was trivial in comparison to a very obvious stumble.

I don't think Roxy should be answering back because that's what the show is about - the judges, especially Jason, are there to critique performances - but I can understand her feeling frustrated with Jason.

I hope Holly gives her a break and asks anyone other than Jason to comment on her performance this week. I'd like to see her response to criticism from someone else. If she still answers back, even to other judges, then I'll lose all sympathy for her.

Is he paid specifically to be obnoxious? And why would it make any difference if he were?

That he's paid isn't any kind of reason to deserve respect.

What do you think is the constructive part?

And what's the objective part? It all looks like his subjective opinion to me.

i understand it's just your opinion, but i really disagree about her dress sense.
she dresses in trackies in training but so does everyone, and of course she has to wear something comfy, but at soap parties etc she always looks really classy and pretty. imo.

i did cringe a bit when she said that but i understand she must be a bit frustrated because i thought jason was a little too harsh saying he never looks forward to watching her and it seems she can't do anything right where the judges are concerned.

Veri, you rather miss the point of my post.. I'm not suggesting the fact he gets paid is the reason she should be respectful, rather that he is paid to profer a relevant and professional opinion to and about her.

You may not like Jason or his delivery style, that's a perfectly valid pov, he's not everyone's cup of tea, granted, but love him or loathe him, that's what he's there to do..