Well to be fair, impressive lifts etc DO get high marks, so she wasn't wrong in saying it. Except it went "wrong" tonight, though only marginally so.

Impressive lifts yes, but not being swung around by your feet.

And the move was telegraphed - as such, it didn't fit naturally into the routine and, to be honest, it didn't fit well with the music either.

Well this is kinda irrelevant in a way, her personality. Fair enough regarding viewers, but it shouldn't affect judges' scores. That's the whole point of allowing viewers 50% of the say, cos it takes into consideration who personalities they like too, but the judges shouldn't be influenced by that. If they are.

However, I thought she was quite funny and not rude or petulant, she seems like a nice girl to me just answering back in typical bantering sort of way, no harm or venom in it.

I won't disagree with that, but it wasn't disastrous either, I thought it was acceptable enough, and had it been done right, yes it would have got higher marks I'm sure. The rest of her routine did fit for me, and really well, she looks less nervous and seemed in tune with the music, she expresses much better than some of the girls too. I understand if some didn't like it though.

It would be a rather dull forum if we did!

Likewise, I respect your opinion and I wish your girl the best of luck

I completely agree with you - it was very laboured and just stuck into the routine. They basically stopped and then did the headbanger - there was just no fluidity in the routine. I agreed with Jason on his comments

I thought she did a good performance and should have been second only to Ray. I appreciate she messed up the headbanger but that shuold only have lost her 0.5.

Not only Coleen and Todd but Melinda and Zoe as well.

Yep.

The routine became all about the friggin headbanger!

We were all waiting for it, we could tell the two skaters were waiting for it and when it finally arrived it was stuck on at the end of the routine and executed very badly!

I think Jason has a vendetta against her, he probably doesn't like that she answers him back and I completely understand why she would do that as it must be very frustrating to be undermarked each week.

It seems like the judges are too obsessed fawning over Jessica or Zoe and giving sympathetic advice to Coleen and Melinda so Roxanne is being left out in the cold.

Her routine tonight was the best she's done and she deserved at least a score of 20, the fact they then went on to remove 0.5 from her score after the break was yet another bitter blow.

I hope she's not bottom 2, she is one of the most down to earth and likeable people on the show and so is her skating partner Daniel.

The last para raises the question - do you get more marks for trying than performing something easier, nicer. It also raises the interesting issue who gets choreographed with what and how well.

The headbanger is obviously difficult because only the three best female skaters the competition has ever had could do it. The fact that Roxie couldn't get into or out of it and didn't fly properly may just tell us she isn't as good as Suzanne, Clare or Bonnie and needed to be better to even try it - but thats not her fault either given she was told to do it.

There's a problem for the show in there too. Every series has had a dare devil girl but the natural one for this series (Zoe) is too tall for that move and its not clear yet if Matt can lift her overhead either. it looks to me as if they are trying to use Roxy to fill the gap but perhaps too early for her.

I didn't even take down the damn number, is it on the website?! I always do this! Oh well, hold me responsible if she goes

Well it was Daniel who messed up, so it's not really her fault it went wrong. Bonnie wasn't at all one of the best either, she was EXCELLENT being lifted and carried and thrown, mainly cos of her size, but she couldn't skate for sh*t.

I appreciate that the headbanger is not a doddle but it has little to do with skating as far as I'm concerned.

You have to work at getting into and coming out of the other lifts, whereas Roxanne just lay on the ice, waited to be picked up and flung around and then dropped back onto the ice.

What made it worse this time round was that (a) it didn't work and (b) it didn't add to the musical interpretation.

I'm getting a bit bored of seeing this move being done for the sake of it. The novelty value of it has worn off.

Roxanne simply is not as good as Ray, Jessica and Zoe. She is being marked perfectly fairly to me and her attitude is very childish.

The headbanger tonight was a total disaster, it was rubbish. She's not a natural peformer and can't pull it off.

I thought the judges were very unfair on Roxanne. I thought she skated really well with Dan

I would say she was undermarked but not significantly. Certainly the headbanger lift went wrong and that would cost her marks.

I would say about 3.5 was about the right mark maybe the odd 4.

I agree in a sense, but (and I don't want to sound like a broken record) I do think it was "okay" and not a total disaster, plus should be given credit for even trying it. The rest of her routine more than made up for it for me. People have fallen before and got higher marks, but clearly the judges didn't like the rest much either...

I do agree being lifted off the floor to do the headbanger is laughably sluggish though, it slows everything down. It only truly works when the woman is standing, though extremely dangerous. Can't remember if Suzanne did it that way or not.

Also what's with taking down her marks 2 skaters down the line? How did it get that far without (was it Robin?) realizing?! Ridiculous and actually makes no sense...

Anyway...*breaths huge sigh of relief she's through*

The start was very odd. The people who did it best could skate on one leg backwards with the other being held turn and build up some speed before being taken off the ground - not sure Roxy can do that. I would have thought its easier/safer too if you don't start and end near the ground - Bonnie banged her head coming up of the ground while Clare and Suzanne always started in flight not on the runway?

No-one is as good as Ray, although I agree with Jess.
Zoe however, we will never know, but who knows, maybe one day she'll let go of her partner and we'll get to find out.

Precisely. It's all about the entry into and exit out of these daring lifts. It needs to be linked seemlessly into the routine and it needs to be clean.

At any rate, I sense the judges (especially Robyn) are looking more for daring footwork. Even they seem unimpressed and bored by the same old lifts being used to wow the audience series after series.

She tried that last week with her footwork, but didn't get anywhere either :\

If you look at Suzanne's entrance into the headbanger from her routine 'Music' she skated on one foot and then interlocked her legs around Matt's arms as he lifted her off the ice. She never landed it and it was always the end of the routine but it always fit the music and her rotating arms were fabulous.

If you compare that to Roxy's .... well there is no comparison.

I definitely agree on that. Someone else did start on the floor though, maybe it was Suzanne in another performance, can't remember.

I didn't see any intricate footwork from Roxanne last week