I hate to say it but I agreed with Jason. It does look like Roxanne is going through the motions. Having said that that can be improved and her basic skating is getting better.
Roxanne ridiculously undermarked
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It would have worked better and looked better if they'd started off from a backward spiral into the headbanger
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“I am with you and every week Jaon is allowed to comment on her as well as giving her low marks which is wrong.”
“I am with you and every week Jaon is allowed to comment on her as well as giving her low marks which is wrong.”
But Jason gives consistently low marks to all so does not make much difference,except Ray of course whose marks are well deserved.
Originally Posted by Jill_Fan:
“It would have worked better and looked better if they'd started off from a backward spiral into the headbanger”
“It would have worked better and looked better if they'd started off from a backward spiral into the headbanger”
Rozy doesn't have the skill level at the moment to be able to do that. She has bad leg lines and from that move into the headbanger requires the female skater to have incredible core strength and good lines. Roxy has neither at present. The floor is far safer for her to start.
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“If you look at Suzanne's entrance into the headbanger from her routine 'Music' she skated on one foot and then interlocked her legs around Matt's arms as he lifted her off the ice. She never landed it and it was always the end of the routine but it always fit the music and her rotating arms were fabulous.
If you compare that to Roxy's .... well there is no comparison.”
“If you look at Suzanne's entrance into the headbanger from her routine 'Music' she skated on one foot and then interlocked her legs around Matt's arms as he lifted her off the ice. She never landed it and it was always the end of the routine but it always fit the music and her rotating arms were fabulous.
If you compare that to Roxy's .... well there is no comparison.”
Suzanne did her first one from the floor but she had just been flung across the stage in the previous move and the transition was seamless. When the same routine turns up on the tour and in the later show routines like Music the headbanger starts upright and moving fast.
Both headbangers are at the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Fum...eature=related
Clare did it that way from the start I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfZF...eature=related
Thanks to the people who put them up. The youtubes from the show have a bad habit of being taken down by ITV so I would rather not post those links.
I know she hasn't at the moment, but i'm saying it would look better if they did start it off like that. Doing it from the floor looks like they stop, then start up again.
Yeah I totally agree there are no transitions with Roxy. Its one move ... pause ... next move .. pause. There is no natural flow to her routines especially when she is doing lifts.
Originally Posted by Drifter:
“I definitely agree on that. Someone else did start on the floor though, maybe it was Suzanne in another performance, can't remember.”
“I definitely agree on that. Someone else did start on the floor though, maybe it was Suzanne in another performance, can't remember.”
Suzanne's first one in week 5 (are you gonna be my girl) does start on the floor but she's just been thrown accross the stage on her back and she just rolls onto her side and she's picked straight up by her ankles in one long seamless routine. Her headbanger went right up and down too and the low passes were very low.
The tour version of that dance takes out the floor slide and she does the headbanger from standing. I just posted a link to a reasonably visible version above.
sorry to say this but roxanne has not been undermarked at all. visually she is great but as far as skating ability is concerned........the choreography Dan and Roxanne do are not difficult and they rely purely on the lifts which is Dans forte
Originally Posted by Drifter:
“I definitely agree on that. Someone else did start on the floor though, maybe it was Suzanne in another performance, can't remember.”
“I definitely agree on that. Someone else did start on the floor though, maybe it was Suzanne in another performance, can't remember.”
It was Clare. She was miles better than Suzanne. She even did a back flip on ice one week.
Originally Posted by Robice:
“sorry to say this but roxanne has not been undermarked at all. visually she is great but as far as skating ability is concerned........the choreography Dan and Roxanne do are not difficult and they rely purely on the lifts which is Dans forte”
“sorry to say this but roxanne has not been undermarked at all. visually she is great but as far as skating ability is concerned........the choreography Dan and Roxanne do are not difficult and they rely purely on the lifts which is Dans forte”
Um did you watch last week? Roxanne done LOADS of solo skating.
Basically someone seems to have it in for Dan. Last 2 years partners were slated for lack of solo skating, this years Roxy skates solo and it gets ignored and as for the comments...............................
Originally Posted by peugeot:
“To be honest I thought both Roxanne and Melinda were well undermarked.
When you look at the marks of Donal and Ellery and then compare the performances there should have been so much of a difference with the marks.
You can only think certain judges have pre-decided what sort of level of score they want to give certain skaters no matter what they produce on the night.”
“To be honest I thought both Roxanne and Melinda were well undermarked.
When you look at the marks of Donal and Ellery and then compare the performances there should have been so much of a difference with the marks.
You can only think certain judges have pre-decided what sort of level of score they want to give certain skaters no matter what they produce on the night.”
Nonense - Daniel did his usual great job (as with Linda Lusardi and Gaynor F) or making his partner look wonderful i.e. by not making them do much skating.
Donal skated and did some complex moves - Roxanne was carried around.
Frankly I am sick of the men getting voted off - its obvious when a man is a poor skater as he has to skate and do lifts whereas women like Colleen, Roxanne and Melinda can just be carried around by their partners and made to look wonderful.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Nonense - Daniel did his usual great job (as with Linda Lusardi and Gaynor F) or making his partner look wonderful i.e. by not making them do much skating.
Donal skated and did some complex moves - Roxanne was carried around.
Frankly I am sick of the men getting voted off - its obvious when a man is a poor skater as he has to skate and do lifts whereas women like Colleen, Roxanne and Melinda can just be carried around by their partners and made to look wonderful.”
“Nonense - Daniel did his usual great job (as with Linda Lusardi and Gaynor F) or making his partner look wonderful i.e. by not making them do much skating.
Donal skated and did some complex moves - Roxanne was carried around.
Frankly I am sick of the men getting voted off - its obvious when a man is a poor skater as he has to skate and do lifts whereas women like Colleen, Roxanne and Melinda can just be carried around by their partners and made to look wonderful.”
Roxanne has not been carried around at all, shes done plently of skating
I think Roxy should of got more marks she deserved a lot better.
I was fuming that Melinda got the same marks as Roxy she blatently fell and should of been knocked down on marks.
I was fuming that Melinda got the same marks as Roxy she blatently fell and should of been knocked down on marks.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Nonense - Daniel did his usual great job (as with Linda Lusardi and Gaynor F) or making his partner look wonderful i.e. by not making them do much skating.
Donal skated and did some complex moves - Roxanne was carried around.
Frankly I am sick of the men getting voted off - its obvious when a man is a poor skater as he has to skate and do lifts whereas women like Colleen, Roxanne and Melinda can just be carried around by their partners and made to look wonderful.”
“Nonense - Daniel did his usual great job (as with Linda Lusardi and Gaynor F) or making his partner look wonderful i.e. by not making them do much skating.
Donal skated and did some complex moves - Roxanne was carried around.
Frankly I am sick of the men getting voted off - its obvious when a man is a poor skater as he has to skate and do lifts whereas women like Colleen, Roxanne and Melinda can just be carried around by their partners and made to look wonderful.”
Again, Roxanne has proved that she can skate, she done alot of solo skating last week and the week before.
Had Melinda not been saved by her partner she'd have been flat on her face! Yet Roxy skates ALONE and still gets marked down. She cant win no matter what she does the judges have it in for her epsecially Jason and Ruth.
Originally Posted by superstar111:
“Um did you watch last week? Roxanne done LOADS of solo skating.”
“Um did you watch last week? Roxanne done LOADS of solo skating.”
What about the QUALITY of skating?????
Originally Posted by maggie48:
“I think she is much better than Zoe & Jessica.”
“I think she is much better than Zoe & Jessica.”
HA! please tell me that was a joke????
Originally Posted by TrumpyBums:
“It was Clare. She was miles better than Suzanne. She even did a back flip on ice one week.”
“It was Clare. She was miles better than Suzanne. She even did a back flip on ice one week.”
Sadly ITV have taken Clare's show youtubes off the net - the tour version of the early headbanger is standing though if its the one you mean - link is in post 55 above. Is that the backflip too?
Suzanne does do her first headbanger from the ground - I just rewatched it. Its a far better one than Roxy's though and its more dramatic than Clare's (more bounce) though I think Clare's better at some things too.
The Girls are all still running 3 marks behind Clare's and 2.5 behind Suzanne's best marks so far.
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Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“18 or 19 I would have thought and if everything had come off she had more difficult content than Jessica and Jessica's skating advantage can't count for much when she was choreographed to stay in hold all performance. Much better than Colleen and more ambitious than Melinda or Donal . Zoe had a stronger performance, flowed better and had more difficulty allowing for height but I would have thought Roxy moved into the competitive zone.”
“18 or 19 I would have thought and if everything had come off she had more difficult content than Jessica and Jessica's skating advantage can't count for much when she was choreographed to stay in hold all performance. Much better than Colleen and more ambitious than Melinda or Donal . Zoe had a stronger performance, flowed better and had more difficulty allowing for height but I would have thought Roxy moved into the competitive zone.”
What was the more difficult content?
I think you must be underestimating the difficulty of skating as Jessica does.
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“At any rate, I sense the judges (especially Robyn) are looking more for daring footwork. Even they seem unimpressed and bored by the same old lifts being used to wow the audience series after series.”
“At any rate, I sense the judges (especially Robyn) are looking more for daring footwork. Even they seem unimpressed and bored by the same old lifts being used to wow the audience series after series.”
Then someone needs to tell T&D to stop putting those lifts into the routines.
I think that the scores this week were much more consistent, which means some people appear to be doing worse because their marks were too high before. I really wasn't impressed with Roxannes routine, and the headbanger didn't fit at all. She does skate on her own, but it doesn't flow and a lot of it feels clunky. I definitely think she deserved to be in the middle of the score board.
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