anyway, forget all this -- when Are we getting a Bollywood remake! 
Doctor Who 2009 - American remake
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Originally Posted by alienpanda:
“anyway, forget all this -- when Are we getting a Bollywood remake!”
“anyway, forget all this -- when Are we getting a Bollywood remake!
”
DaakTar Jo. Has a certain ring to it.
Neither Doctor Who 2009 or Dark Glasses Productions are affiliated with the BBC nor any company owned by, operated by, or affiliated with the BBC. This project is a private FAN MADE endeavor and is not associated with "Official" Doctor Who or any of its trademarks. No infringement is intended by this FAN MADE project.
Don't see how they can spout all that bollocks and then use the official logo. Not associated with any of it's trademarks and no infringement is intended my arse. Just some stupid Americans, sorry, I can't narrow it down, trying to cash in. Oh no wait, please donate to the childrens' charity. Bollocks.
Don't see how they can spout all that bollocks and then use the official logo. Not associated with any of it's trademarks and no infringement is intended my arse. Just some stupid Americans, sorry, I can't narrow it down, trying to cash in. Oh no wait, please donate to the childrens' charity. Bollocks.
Star Trek New Voyages did a similar thing with the whole charity thing. I forget which charity it was, but the original pilot they made ages ago had 'we're doing this for charity' written all over it. Probably to drum up publicity. It disappeared the second they got that publicity. Figures 
Originally Posted by trollface:
“The thing is, has anyone else actually watched any of the stuff that the main guy has already done? He's got bits and bobs up on YouTube, including recreations of classic Doctor Who scenes with himself as the Doctor. They're, erm, not good.
[Edited to add]Here's one[/edit]”
“The thing is, has anyone else actually watched any of the stuff that the main guy has already done? He's got bits and bobs up on YouTube, including recreations of classic Doctor Who scenes with himself as the Doctor. They're, erm, not good.
[Edited to add]Here's one[/edit]”
That was a complete pile of shit! What a prick!!
And, just to be totally British, I've emailed the Beeb to complain about the clip. Hmmm, bit sad maybe but grrrr, the nerve of the man. It was like watching Wallace and Gromit with Parkinsons disease. I may have stooped a bit low there. Oh well....
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“The acting and effects may be a bit ropey, but these videos are really no worse than a lot of the 'professionally-made' tat I watch on the Zone Horror channel.”
“The acting and effects may be a bit ropey, but these videos are really no worse than a lot of the 'professionally-made' tat I watch on the Zone Horror channel.
”
Oh dear me, I can't believe you admitted to that!
I couldn't stop laughing at how bad that trailer was. The acting leaves alot to be desired.
Equally i couldn't stop laughing at the intention not to infringe copyright.
I'm not against fan videos, but this clearly is a stage further above that.
I hope the BBC kick their arses, if anything to teach them a lesson.
If they were hoping to use this as a showcase for their talents, a lesson in rights clearance and the legalities of such things is a good place to start.
Equally i couldn't stop laughing at the intention not to infringe copyright.
I'm not against fan videos, but this clearly is a stage further above that.
I hope the BBC kick their arses, if anything to teach them a lesson.
If they were hoping to use this as a showcase for their talents, a lesson in rights clearance and the legalities of such things is a good place to start.
I'm currently in the process of voting the fawning comments as bad, and would suggest everyone else does the same to send the message out to these morons.
(except yours Bez, I hit the thumb's up to that one. it was an inciteful critique that dissembled the quality of the piece and laid it bare, and concisely summarised the verdict of most of us)
(except yours Bez, I hit the thumb's up to that one. it was an inciteful critique that dissembled the quality of the piece and laid it bare, and concisely summarised the verdict of most of us)
Its funny how pathetic some of you are being about this project if it was a british guy running the shot you would be singing about how good it is, and about how he should make more.
I've seen the trailer and for a fan made production it looks great, I only hope people at the BBC dont stop it, if you stop one why cant they stop them all? Theres an awful lot of tripe out there that uses the Doctor Who name.
I've seen the trailer and for a fan made production it looks great, I only hope people at the BBC dont stop it, if you stop one why cant they stop them all? Theres an awful lot of tripe out there that uses the Doctor Who name.
Perhaps Ken can do a gurning re-enactment of the Doctor's moral dilemma from Genesis of the Daleks...
"Do I have the rights?" [gurns]
"Do I have the rights?" [gurns]
Originally Posted by trollface:
“The thing is, has anyone else actually watched any of the stuff that the main guy has already done? He's got bits and bobs up on YouTube, including recreations of classic Doctor Who scenes with himself as the Doctor. They're, erm, not good.
[Edited to add]Here's one[/edit]”
“The thing is, has anyone else actually watched any of the stuff that the main guy has already done? He's got bits and bobs up on YouTube, including recreations of classic Doctor Who scenes with himself as the Doctor. They're, erm, not good.
[Edited to add]Here's one[/edit]”
The acting isn't bad, considering how he's playing it. To be honest, his mistake is not playing it as his own interpretation of the Doctor, but attempting to combine 4 and 10. He has none of the bumbling qualities of 4 and none of the manic vagueness and uncertainty of 10. If he was using his own interpretation of the Doctor, not a fan-clone, in a script suited for his style, with APPROPRIATE MUSIC, then it wouldn't be half as bad.
What worries me most about the fan made series is that I doubt they realise how significant the music is, and will either recycle DW music that doesn't capture the tone, have silence throughout (gah), or have some wierd MIDI concoction. Bad music kills TV shows. Hell, the bad episodes of New Who usually line up nicely with Murray Gold under performing (more than usual), so what chance do a bunch of fans have?
Edit: Anyone else reminded a little bit of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVblWq3tDwY ?
Originally Posted by dobsy:
“That was a complete pile of shit! What a prick!!
And, just to be totally British, I've emailed the Beeb to complain about the clip.”
“That was a complete pile of shit! What a prick!!
And, just to be totally British, I've emailed the Beeb to complain about the clip.”
If you were really British you'd have complained to Ofcom.
I think most of the negativity is anti-Americanism. "How dare that Yank redo our Doctor Who!"
They're not "cashing in". It's a fan film. To avoid breaking criminal law they can't make a single penny out of it. They've got to spend their own money making it and then give it away for free, just like every other fan film or fan fiction (of course even then the Beeb can still put a stop to it).
Instead of criticising we should be congratulating them on getting off their arses and doing something fun to celebrate their love of DW.
They're not "cashing in". It's a fan film. To avoid breaking criminal law they can't make a single penny out of it. They've got to spend their own money making it and then give it away for free, just like every other fan film or fan fiction (of course even then the Beeb can still put a stop to it).
Instead of criticising we should be congratulating them on getting off their arses and doing something fun to celebrate their love of DW.
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“themaster
Its funny how pathetic some of you are being about this project if it was a british guy running the shot you would be singing about how good it is, and about how he should make more.”
“themaster
Its funny how pathetic some of you are being about this project if it was a british guy running the shot you would be singing about how good it is, and about how he should make more.”
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“DS9
I think most of the negativity is anti-Americanism. "How dare that Yank redo our Doctor Who!"”
“DS9
I think most of the negativity is anti-Americanism. "How dare that Yank redo our Doctor Who!"”
To be fair , as far as I can tell, only 2 posts have criticized the American angle, though leaving abusive messages on his you tube site is rather shallow, but as you say DS9 at least the guy is doing something creative with his life and good on him.
I think the main conversation has been the massive infringement on copyright on just about every conceivable front, this isn't just some You Tube clip of a few Dr Who scenes badly edited together to some god awful song by Celine Dion.
Personally for what its worth, I think the whole thing is a sham, British, American whatever the nationality.
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“To be fair , as far as I can tell, only 2 posts have criticized the American angle”
“To be fair , as far as I can tell, only 2 posts have criticized the American angle”
...and even then I only did it as a bit of comic relief for a post that was turning into a serious tirade the more I started thinking about what I was typing.
On a smore serious front, if you were a Doctor Who fan and slightly less media-savvy than us here and you stumbled onto that site by accident, you could be forgiven for thinking that the BBC may be involved in or sanctioning it, despite all the disclaimers in 6 point Ariel that you wouldn't be looking for anyway.
Skewing sideways back to Star Trek: New voyages, although I haven't seen it, am I correct in believing that they do not use any established characters from "proper" Trek? This may be why Paramount accept/tolerate/encourage it or whatever, if they were using Kirk/Spock/McCoy I think that would have been shut down before a scene was shot.
Originally Posted by Cookie Crumbler:
“...and even then I only did it as a bit of comic relief for a post that was turning into a serious tirade the more I started thinking about what I was typing.”
“...and even then I only did it as a bit of comic relief for a post that was turning into a serious tirade the more I started thinking about what I was typing.”
Aye, I got that actually Cookie, I did mean to mention it in my post as ' and one of those was tongue in cheek' but must have cut and pasted whilst editing and forgot the pasting part sorry.
Saturday morning and all that...zzzzz
It seems Ken is aware of this discussion. He deleted some of the negative comments (which, to be fair, did go a bit too far) and posted this on his Revenge of the Cybermen video on YouTube:
and this on the Doctor Who Forum:
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“I have always welcomed comments of both positive and negative criticism on my videos. I also only ever delete comments that are spam or are solely a personal attack. However, unfortunately, some members of the digitalspy forum (I'm not a member) have decided to express their dislike of my videos by posting hurtful non-constructive comments and other attacks. Therefore, I'm suspending comments, voting, and responses.
I enjoy sharing videos and ideas with other filmmakers, fan filmmakers, and Doctor Who fans in general. I like hearing peoples opinions either way and appreciate that most of them are encouraging. Yet I see no point in their motivation except to cause hurt to a fellow human being they don't know & have never met. This is just an explanation and I adamantly desire that no one return any hateful or hurtful remarks to these people on YouTube, digitalspy, or anywhere.
Thanks to all who continually support and encourage me.”
“I have always welcomed comments of both positive and negative criticism on my videos. I also only ever delete comments that are spam or are solely a personal attack. However, unfortunately, some members of the digitalspy forum (I'm not a member) have decided to express their dislike of my videos by posting hurtful non-constructive comments and other attacks. Therefore, I'm suspending comments, voting, and responses.
I enjoy sharing videos and ideas with other filmmakers, fan filmmakers, and Doctor Who fans in general. I like hearing peoples opinions either way and appreciate that most of them are encouraging. Yet I see no point in their motivation except to cause hurt to a fellow human being they don't know & have never met. This is just an explanation and I adamantly desire that no one return any hateful or hurtful remarks to these people on YouTube, digitalspy, or anywhere.
Thanks to all who continually support and encourage me.”
and this on the Doctor Who Forum:
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“Thanks for the heads up, Trollface. The producer of the project, Aron Presswood, is a huge supporter of unicef. He donates and helps raise money for them all the time. He suggested using the fan project to help raise awareness, but because it was a "fan film series" he didn't wish to seek to involve them directly. When the webmaster designed the site for us he included the logo with the knowledge that Aron wanted to raise awareness of his favorite charity. I had eyed it curiously at the time, but assumed it had been researched. Matt apparently became aware of it earlier, possibly as a result of your post, and I received a message from him explaining that it was going to be removed. But thank you so much for the warning and information. I really appreciate it.
I'm not a member of digitalspy, but I am aware of the thread. We have received no notice to cease and desist, but we've always been aware of the possibility as anyone who decides to make fan films are and will comply if asked. It did weigh greatly in our decision of whether to share the project with other online fans. Underneath it all, we are just Doctor Who fans and film fans who wanted make some Doctor Who to enjoy. We just hope that some people might enjoy them too. We're not looking to compete with the BBC or to try and outdo them or anything. That's not our mentality in this at all.
But yeah, the digitalspy thread is what it is. No one is forcing them to watch it or like it or anything. If they want to check it out, they can and are welcome to, if they don't and it's not their thing that's fine. I'm not really sure why some of them are allowing themselves to get so worked up about it. The only thing that got me was that some of them just decided that they didn't like me personally and got so worked up about it they went and posted some really hateful comments on my "Revenge of the Cybermen" video and some other stuff. I appreciate negative and positive criticisms of what I create and I seldom delete comments except in cases like this when the intent was to just cause hurt to another human being they don't even know. I've suspended comments and ratings for the time being. Revenge of the Cybermen was made for my 11 year old son - I mention that in the video description - and he likes to go on watch it. I'm not really sure why they felt the need to do that, but I'm truly sorry that my interest in filmmaking, post-production, and my love for Doctor Who offended them so greatly. Another person seemed obliged to complain about one of my videos to the BBC. I've never meant to offend anyone with any of my videos, I just wanted to share them with other people who might be interested.
It seems too that the digitalspy thread is filled with lots of speculation or presumptions about our motives, intent, and planning. I find it flattering that people assume that we spent a lot of money on the production when in fact we didn't spend much of any. It's been a lot of fun and a great learning experience. And in the end that's what it was - a fun time. We want to share it and it seems to appeal to some people and others aren't interested. They don't have to watch it if they don't want. I shared it so that people who might like it could give it a chance. And I do appreciate the people who seem to enjoy my videos and continue to offer encouragement. I really hope they'll enjoy this.”
“Thanks for the heads up, Trollface. The producer of the project, Aron Presswood, is a huge supporter of unicef. He donates and helps raise money for them all the time. He suggested using the fan project to help raise awareness, but because it was a "fan film series" he didn't wish to seek to involve them directly. When the webmaster designed the site for us he included the logo with the knowledge that Aron wanted to raise awareness of his favorite charity. I had eyed it curiously at the time, but assumed it had been researched. Matt apparently became aware of it earlier, possibly as a result of your post, and I received a message from him explaining that it was going to be removed. But thank you so much for the warning and information. I really appreciate it.
I'm not a member of digitalspy, but I am aware of the thread. We have received no notice to cease and desist, but we've always been aware of the possibility as anyone who decides to make fan films are and will comply if asked. It did weigh greatly in our decision of whether to share the project with other online fans. Underneath it all, we are just Doctor Who fans and film fans who wanted make some Doctor Who to enjoy. We just hope that some people might enjoy them too. We're not looking to compete with the BBC or to try and outdo them or anything. That's not our mentality in this at all.
But yeah, the digitalspy thread is what it is. No one is forcing them to watch it or like it or anything. If they want to check it out, they can and are welcome to, if they don't and it's not their thing that's fine. I'm not really sure why some of them are allowing themselves to get so worked up about it. The only thing that got me was that some of them just decided that they didn't like me personally and got so worked up about it they went and posted some really hateful comments on my "Revenge of the Cybermen" video and some other stuff. I appreciate negative and positive criticisms of what I create and I seldom delete comments except in cases like this when the intent was to just cause hurt to another human being they don't even know. I've suspended comments and ratings for the time being. Revenge of the Cybermen was made for my 11 year old son - I mention that in the video description - and he likes to go on watch it. I'm not really sure why they felt the need to do that, but I'm truly sorry that my interest in filmmaking, post-production, and my love for Doctor Who offended them so greatly. Another person seemed obliged to complain about one of my videos to the BBC. I've never meant to offend anyone with any of my videos, I just wanted to share them with other people who might be interested.
It seems too that the digitalspy thread is filled with lots of speculation or presumptions about our motives, intent, and planning. I find it flattering that people assume that we spent a lot of money on the production when in fact we didn't spend much of any. It's been a lot of fun and a great learning experience. And in the end that's what it was - a fun time. We want to share it and it seems to appeal to some people and others aren't interested. They don't have to watch it if they don't want. I shared it so that people who might like it could give it a chance. And I do appreciate the people who seem to enjoy my videos and continue to offer encouragement. I really hope they'll enjoy this.”
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“Aye, I got that actually Cookie, I did mean to mention it in my post as ' and one of those was tongue in cheek' but must have cut and pasted whilst editing and forgot the pasting part sorry. Saturday morning and all that...zzzzz”
“Aye, I got that actually Cookie, I did mean to mention it in my post as ' and one of those was tongue in cheek' but must have cut and pasted whilst editing and forgot the pasting part sorry.
Saturday morning and all that...zzzzz”
No problem mate, I know where you're coming from... :sleep:
Originally Posted by Cookie Crumbler:
“Skewing sideways back to Star Trek: New voyages, although I haven't seen it, am I correct in believing that they do not use any established characters from "proper" Trek? This may be why Paramount accept/tolerate/encourage it or whatever, if they were using Kirk/Spock/McCoy I think that would have been shut down before a scene was shot.”
“Skewing sideways back to Star Trek: New voyages, although I haven't seen it, am I correct in believing that they do not use any established characters from "proper" Trek? This may be why Paramount accept/tolerate/encourage it or whatever, if they were using Kirk/Spock/McCoy I think that would have been shut down before a scene was shot.”
Star Trek New Voyages continues the adventures of Kirk and his crew.
Some of the original actors have even appeared in episodes as their characters or in one case their characters grandmother
I had no idea what kind of hateful crap DS people were posting - there's a huge difference between being constructive in your criticism and being a ****. I'm reminded heavily of the online reaction to Daleks in Manhattan, which upset Helen Raynor to the point of wanting to quit. Once this was mentioned in the Writer's tale, both DS and OG/DWF had huge apology threads, and stupidly I believed they were sincere. Obviously not. Anyone who uses the internet to say nasty things to people who put their heart into a project is just spineless. Anyone who does it again is beyond that. I hope you all feel happy about treating this guy how you are.
Originally Posted by Analysethis:
“I had no idea what kind of hateful crap DS people were posting - there's a huge difference between being constructive in your criticism and being a ****. I'm reminded heavily of the online reaction to Daleks in Manhattan, which upset Helen Raynor to the point of wanting to quit. Once this was mentioned in the Writer's tale, both DS and OG/DWF had huge apology threads, and stupidly I believed they were sincere. Obviously not. Anyone who uses the internet to say nasty things to people who put their heart into a project is just spineless. Anyone who does it again is beyond that. I hope you all feel happy about treating this guy how you are.”
“I had no idea what kind of hateful crap DS people were posting - there's a huge difference between being constructive in your criticism and being a ****. I'm reminded heavily of the online reaction to Daleks in Manhattan, which upset Helen Raynor to the point of wanting to quit. Once this was mentioned in the Writer's tale, both DS and OG/DWF had huge apology threads, and stupidly I believed they were sincere. Obviously not. Anyone who uses the internet to say nasty things to people who put their heart into a project is just spineless. Anyone who does it again is beyond that. I hope you all feel happy about treating this guy how you are.”
Couldn't agree more! How, in anyway, is it causing harm to anyone??? Oh wait, it isn't! You have a problem with it? Then simply **** off, I'm fed up of a small majority of forum members who go out of thier way to be nasty and cause hurt, you are doing more harm than this production! Many people will want to watch, and if you don't then why feel the need to stop others enjoying it?
Originally Posted by Analysethis:
“I had no idea what kind of hateful crap DS people were posting - there's a huge difference between being constructive in your criticism and being a ****. I'm reminded heavily of the online reaction to Daleks in Manhattan, which upset Helen Raynor to the point of wanting to quit. Once this was mentioned in the Writer's tale, both DS and OG/DWF had huge apology threads, and stupidly I believed they were sincere. Obviously not. Anyone who uses the internet to say nasty things to people who put their heart into a project is just spineless. Anyone who does it again is beyond that. I hope you all feel happy about treating this guy how you are.”
“I had no idea what kind of hateful crap DS people were posting - there's a huge difference between being constructive in your criticism and being a ****. I'm reminded heavily of the online reaction to Daleks in Manhattan, which upset Helen Raynor to the point of wanting to quit. Once this was mentioned in the Writer's tale, both DS and OG/DWF had huge apology threads, and stupidly I believed they were sincere. Obviously not. Anyone who uses the internet to say nasty things to people who put their heart into a project is just spineless. Anyone who does it again is beyond that. I hope you all feel happy about treating this guy how you are.”
Only a couple of people have really insulted Ken. I made just one joke on here about all the gurning, but I've said something similar about David Tennant's gurning performance before now. (It doesn't mean I'm a 'Tennant hater' and I don't believe it's the reason why he quit.)
Are you suggesting that the people who made the personal comments about Ken are the very same people who previously upset Helen Raynor? If not, why do you believe that something as broad and varied as Doctor Who fandom can be held accountable for the actions of a minority? Who are you to say whether the previous apologies to Helen were sincere or not?
Did they really think the BBC would just let them use logos etc. and do absolutely nothing about it?
If they are as talented as they seem to be why not create something new? We already have a DW that continues to provide excitement and entertainment. This smacks of people trying to get publicity by grabbing the coat tails of something that is currently hugely popular.
And since when did supporting something only entail asking other people to support it?
If they are as talented as they seem to be why not create something new? We already have a DW that continues to provide excitement and entertainment. This smacks of people trying to get publicity by grabbing the coat tails of something that is currently hugely popular.
And since when did supporting something only entail asking other people to support it?
Originally Posted by glowboy:
“And since when did supporting something only entail asking other people to support it?”
“And since when did supporting something only entail asking other people to support it?”
Have you seen Terry Wogan on Children in Need?
Originally Posted by smile371:
“Couldn't agree more! How, in anyway, is it causing harm to anyone??? Oh wait, it isn't! You have a problem with it? Then simply **** off, I'm fed up of a small majority of forum members who go out of thier way to be nasty and cause hurt, you are doing more harm than this production! Many people will want to watch, and if you don't then why feel the need to stop others enjoying it?”
“Couldn't agree more! How, in anyway, is it causing harm to anyone??? Oh wait, it isn't! You have a problem with it? Then simply **** off, I'm fed up of a small majority of forum members who go out of thier way to be nasty and cause hurt, you are doing more harm than this production! Many people will want to watch, and if you don't then why feel the need to stop others enjoying it?”
The massive copyright infringement may not cause you any sleepless nights, but the BBC is well known for protecting its investments. Just cos lots of people might enjoy something does NOT stop it being illegal.
Most of the posts on here have expressed surprise at the lack of forethought on the part of those involved. Comments on the acting ability and production values have been on the mild side.
I would be interested if any of the DS members who DID post on his youtube site would care to share what they posted there. Personally, I saw no mileage in posting there as a fellow FM had already alerted the BBC to the misappropriation of their trademarks and intellectual property. I do not condone personal attacks on the individuals concerned, but it would be enlightening to find out whether 'you blow' as one FM reported posting is considered to be 'nasty'
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