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It's nearly two months since the final now! Can't they let it go... :sleep:

You would think they would of, Lisa was so gracious in defeat, yet I think Rachel and Lisa both knew they weren't going to win. I never really liked Lisa but I must admit she was fabulous on the night of the final, bless her.

Well since Rachel has won 20+ times on the tour, I think we know who is the best

Lisa performed brilliantly during the Finale, and made a very graceful exit... Until her and Brendan peformed their Showdance.

I bet she'd swap that for the main SCD trophy

I thought the only people who didn't get on with each other during SCD6 were some of the celebs fans...but that's nothing new

I bet she'd swap that for the main SCD trophy. The role of honour says that Tom Chambers was the champion in 2008[

Tom was undermarked so many times

I actually read that Tom and Lisa were supposed to be quite close, and I didnt see any annoyance in anyone in the final. Still, its a bit late for Lisa to carry on talking about it, its not like its that relevant atm anyway

aww. didums. :yawn::sleep:

i quite liked that showdance
thought it was better than rachels and vincents
lets just say it was 'different'

Don't get me wrong... The music was brilliant.

Only because Austin wasnt there. We all know who was the real best dancer of the series was.

She was better than Tom or Lisa tho.

There's no evidence to suggest that Austin would have won. Many people consider Jill Halfpenny to be a superior dancer but she didn't win. Tom won the series, but he didn't win the tour. Gethin Jones is generally considered a superior dancer to Austin, and he didn't win the tour. None of them came close.

Nothing to suggest Rachel wouldn't have dominated a tour that included Austin.

And no, we don't "all" know it I wouldn't even have put Austin in my top two of the series.

Much as I enjoyed Rachel on tour, I still don't consider her to be a better dancer than Jill, and I don't see her winning so many times as 'proof' that she is either!

She did impress me an awful lot, but the wins are based on so many random factors- for example, Jill dancing her signature dance so close to the end of voting, and being a celebrity from four series ago and potentially less well known than Rachel. Also the tour is only based on two dances, whereas winnning the series will typically be affected by what else they have done over the series, and will also have a professional opinion (of sorts ) affecting the outcome. I'm not trying to take anything away from Rachel by saying this, but the tour is separate from the main series, and winning the tour doesn't equate to winning the series.

I didn't rate Austin as highly as some people have either- I never thought his latin was in the same league as his ballroom.

It certainly comes across as though you are

I agree, the tour is separate from the main series, and there must be an enormous amount of satisfaction in lifting the trophy 26 times as opposed to just the once in front of people who have actually taken the trouble to pay a great deal of money,( and travel a fair distance in the case of many, ) rather than just switch on a t.v.



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I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the professional opinion affecting the outcome Rachel didn't lose because of professional opinion in Tom's favour, she lost despite professional opinion in her favour.

I also wasn't using Rachel's tour wins to say she's better than Jill (although I do prefer her). I'm simply saying that people are saying Rachel would've lost to Austin because he's "better" - Jill being "better" (in general opinion) didn't help her to win, and Tom being popular (in the same way Austin was, albeit less, popular) didn't help him to win the tour either.

Whatever reason Rachel won would still stand if Austin was there. He offered nothing that the other competitors didn't have - Jill was technically good (FAR superior to Austin) and Tom was popular (probably more than Austin)

No one can possibly predict what would have happened on tour if another celebrity had been present. It would have just split the votes even more than they were already. With the judges having no 'say' in the result it was purely a first past the post and the couple with the most 'committed' voters that won, which was obviously Rachel and Vincent supporters. There may very well have only been a handful of votes between the couples.

We will never know now what effect Austin staying in strictly longer might have had.....personally I think it might have split votes and allowed Rachel to slip through the gap, but that will now be for ever in a box of SCD 'what ifs'

For me the biggest 'mystery' of the tour is why Tom did not get more top two spots, I can only assume that people that supported Tom in series 6 were also Gethin or Jill fans, or liked entertaining dancers so much they trasferred to Julian.

I think it may be more a case that Rachel fans were more hardcore Strictly fans than Tom fans. Perhaps Tom fans tuned in more casually and weren't willing to pay out for the tour.

OR maybe people were underwhelmed by him live and saw in Rachel what the judges saw on the show. Who knows? There's lots of possibilities.

im thrilled rachel won the most days on the tour, she deserved them as she was the best.
However i do think had she been against Mark or Alesha it would have been a lot closer.
I know Jills very popular on here but with the general public as a whole i think Alesha is the most popular and it probably helps that post SCD Alesha is the one celeb dancer most people know of (even those that arent SCD fans). I guess Kelly Brook is the other well known celeb but she doesnt quite have the fanbase alesha or Rachel does.

I see your point but it actually reads more like she was asked about it in an interview and this was her response.

I don't blame her for being upset, the press will write down anything regardless of if its true or the hurt they can cause, as long as people make up stories to sell to them and they can get away with writing 'a source said...'.

It must be tempting to put it right, even though you can't with everything they write.

If Alesha was on tour the other celebrities would be wasting their energy to even hope for a win, I think.

I'm honestly not though. I really liked Rachel on tour and felt she was a deserving winner on the two occasions I saw her win, I just thought a comment earlier that seemed to claim it proved that she was the best was a bit far fetched. In my opinion it didn't prove anything beyond the fact that Rachel was more popular than Tom in the particular circumstances of the tour- equally, Tom was more popular than Rachel in the particular circumstances of the TV show.


Yes that's true about professional opinion... I guess I was just offering a handful of things that make what determines a win on tour different from what determines a win on the TV show, because I find it slightly odd that people compare the two as if they are the same.

I didn't think you were saying that about Jill, I was just saying it as an example of something I felt was still a valid opinion in spite of the 'proof' someone else felt the tour gave about the celebs' abilities...

While I agree Alesha is likely to be very popular on tour, I'm not sure she'll win as many as people would expect. I had a look at the results of 2007 and 2008's DOI tours on wikipedia and like the 2 SCD tours, the couple who had the most wins on either tour finished 3rd and 2nd respectively that year - i.e. a couple that made it to the final but didn't win. There may be something in that - people thinking the person who won has already got the main trophy and wanting someone else to win on the tour. Casual viewers who voted for Tom on the TV show, for e.g. and who went for just the one date may have thought along those lines and may not have been as partisan as many of us are, thus able to vote for other couples.

Tom was never considered as good a winner as Alesha though (although his lack of popularity did shock me) and Matt wasn't up against the winner of his series...

Fair enough katie_p, thanks for the clarification