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Old 19-02-2009, 19:53
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I noticed that the Brit awards this year did not recognise any UK urban acts. No urban acts were even nominated.despite it being a huge year for urban music,what with dizzee rascal,Wiley and taio cruz (amongst others)doing extremely well.
Taio cruz has had a lot of commercial success this year, more so than Paul Weller(not to say he didn't deserve his award)and so why didn't taio even get nominated?
The Brits are supposed to celebrate the success of the music that has been produced by brits,and so why ignore this hugely popular genre?
It is also important to recognise artists in this country who do well or are coming through internationally as per duffy,and so,as sway is being recognised in America (he features on akons new single)he should have got a nod too

So why do you think that urban music is rarely recognised at the Brits, particularly this year when urban music has done very well?
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Old 19-02-2009, 20:44
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ok first of all Taio Cruz is terrible, his songs sound like rehashed versions of Usher/Mario/Bobby Valentino songs. His lyrics are also terrible "she's like the sun the moon the stars, she's like a star" "If your leavin me baby, I just wanna know" (ripped off from that other awful R&B song) cliched and uninspiring

Second of all Wiley, Dizzee Rascal as good as they are haven't had any albums out this year. You can't give someone an award on the back of one song unless its for Best Single which is a joke category anyway.

Lastly just coz Sway features on one of those overrated, overproduced, American songs does not mean much

The only urban artist this year that deserves any recognition is an mc called JME but you didn't mention him
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Old 19-02-2009, 21:19
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I didn't mention jme as he hasn't had as much commercial success as the ones I mentioned.
I did, however, say amongst others.
Taio cruz may not be your cup of tea but has been successful this year and deserved a nomination. If Paul Weller got nominated, then so should taio (for this year)
Taio,also,is a recognised song writer for other artists as well as selling a fair few of his own records. Whether you like him or not, you could argue that he would have been more deserving of the award than mark Ronson was last year (who I am a fan of)

I wasn't being specific, I was using examples. My question still stands about why urban music is not recognised at the brits, and barely has done. Craig Davids snub a few years ago was a prime example
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Old 19-02-2009, 21:43
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They used to have a best Urban act award but they dont have it anymore. That award was the best chance Urban acts had to win a Brit. Now if they get nominated, they find themselves up against the likes of Duffy and have no chance of winning.
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Old 19-02-2009, 22:25
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I noticed that the Brit awards this year did not recognise any UK urban acts. No urban acts were even nominated.despite it being a huge year for urban music,what with dizzee rascal,Wiley and taio cruz (amongst others)doing extremely well.
Taio cruz has had a lot of commercial success this year, more so than Paul Weller(not to say he didn't deserve his award)and so why didn't taio even get nominated?
The Brits are supposed to celebrate the success of the music that has been produced by brits,and so why ignore this hugely popular genre?
It is also important to recognise artists in this country who do well or are coming through internationally as per duffy,and so,as sway is being recognised in America (he features on akons new single)he should have got a nod too

So why do you think that urban music is rarely recognised at the Brits, particularly this year when urban music has done very well?
yeah thats what i was saying to. imho theres no point calling it the brits as it doesnt represent the whole uk scene at the moment.
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Old 19-02-2009, 22:26
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I don't understand how Wiley's 'My Rolex' wasn't nominated for the best single award.
How? Why not?

It seems that the industry have their own favourites who'll they'll favour over everyone else no matter what.
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Old 19-02-2009, 22:45
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its a music award why would it ?
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Old 19-02-2009, 23:03
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They should have awards for different genres of music like they do at the grammies. That would be fair.
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Old 19-02-2009, 23:14
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The awards were originally called the British Rock and Pop awards. I guess as it wasnt the British Rock Pop & Uban awards says it all. Mind you, Estelle would be considered urban, as would a few of the international artists: Jay Z, Kanye West, Beyonce.
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Old 19-02-2009, 23:16
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I don't understand how Wiley's 'My Rolex' wasn't nominated for the best single award.
How? Why not?

It seems that the industry have their own favourites who'll they'll favour over everyone else no matter what.
A good song, granted. But if every song that every person thought should have been included, it would be a very long list. At the end of the day, it is a few peoples opinions. No right or wrong. Thats life.
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Old 19-02-2009, 23:17
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The awards were originally called the British Rock and Pop awards. I guess as it wasnt the British Rock Pop & Uban awards says it all. Mind you, Estelle would be considered urban, as would a few of the international artists: Jay Z, Kanye West, Beyonce.
Definitely! I appreciate that Kanye West won International male, but the UK has a very strong urban music scene which is breaking through into mainstream ie Estelle so it should, as every other genre which is successful from the uk, be acknowledged
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Old 19-02-2009, 23:21
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I noticed that the Brit awards this year did not recognise any UK urban acts. No urban acts were even nominated.despite it being a huge year for urban music,what with dizzee rascal,Wiley and taio cruz (amongst others)doing extremely well.
Taio cruz has had a lot of commercial success this year, more so than Paul Weller(not to say he didn't deserve his award)and so why didn't taio even get nominated?
The Brits are supposed to celebrate the success of the music that has been produced by brits,and so why ignore this hugely popular genre?
It is also important to recognise artists in this country who do well or are coming through internationally as per duffy,and so,as sway is being recognised in America (he features on akons new single)he should have got a nod too

So why do you think that urban music is rarely recognised at the Brits, particularly this year when urban music has done very well?

Whilst R and B isnt my fav genre, I agree with a lot of your post. They got rid of this category a few years ago (along with lotsa diff categories like "best dance act", "best rock album" etc. God knows why...

Instead we have got an extremely bland Brits with anadyne "pop" acts dominating...

Dont fret about the lack of urban acts nominated this year, there has been plenty of good music in various genres, but most decent stuff has been ignored. The nomination choices this year were just shockingly crap!!
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Old 19-02-2009, 23:25
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I didn't mention jme as he hasn't had as much commercial success as the ones I mentioned.
I did, however, say amongst others.
Taio cruz may not be your cup of tea but has been successful this year and deserved a nomination. If Paul Weller got nominated, then so should taio (for this year)
Taio,also,is a recognised song writer for other artists as well as selling a fair few of his own records. Whether you like him or not, you could argue that he would have been more deserving of the award than mark Ronson was last year (who I am a fan of)

I wasn't being specific, I was using examples. My question still stands about why urban music is not recognised at the brits, and barely has done. Craig Davids snub a few years ago was a prime example
Maybe they think "they" have the Mobos??

I think thats wholly unjustified if thats the case... music shouldnt be compartmentalised and the Brits should represent all genres. Agree over lack of R and B acts being nominated in spite of their dominance of the pop scene...
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Old 19-02-2009, 23:27
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N'dubz surly should have been up for something..
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Old 20-02-2009, 09:15
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A good song, granted. But if every song that every person thought should have been included, it would be a very long list. At the end of the day, it is a few peoples opinions. No right or wrong. Thats life.
I'm not talking about the song because it's just a good song in itself.
I mean that every year certain songs are kind of iconic for that year and illustrate the feel and flavour of a certain year.
It's not so much that it was a good song, it's more to do with it being a significant song which marked the year.

My problem isn't that it didn't win, my problem is that it wasn't even nominated. Wheras lesser songs with less impact were.

I just don't see how this song 'My Rolex' could be justified in being completely ignored by The Brits.

I hope you know what I mean.
Like 'Umbrella' was iconic for the year that was released.
And like Beyonce's 'Crazy' and Outkast's 'Hey Ya' were the sound of 2003.

'My Rolex' was the sound of Summer for last year so I don't see how they can justify ignoring it completely. It definitely should have been nominated.
It's nothing to do with me being a fan and I didn't even buy it.
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Old 20-02-2009, 15:48
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Maybe they think "they" have the Mobos??

I think thats wholly unjustified if thats the case... music shouldnt be compartmentalised and the Brits should represent all genres. Agree over lack of R and B acts being nominated in spite of their dominance of the pop scene...
I agree! The rock and indie genres have the NME awards which is the equivalent of the MOBOs for that genre. Yet the Brits is more or less taken over by rock and indie groups. Rock and Indie SHOULD be recognised as it sells well.
I see your point about "them" having the MOBOs but, as I mentioned they have the NME awards. And that is not a flaw in your comment, it is a flaw in their thinking if this is so.

Rock and Indie music has always dominated the Brits, but now, when brits are producing more styles of music and taking them internationally, isnt it about time that ALL genres are taken into consideration for the Brits now (and that would mean that if, for example, a classical music band had a phenomenal year and sold millions in this country, then they too should be acknowledged).

It is time the Brits opened its eyes to all genres across the board. Granted, it has acknowledged pop music more than it used to, it just needs to expand now.
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Old 20-02-2009, 21:20
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To Beast, there IS a classical Brits awards every year. I think it happened in January. I said this on Weds night but, there should be the return of best Rock/Dance/Urban performance like the Grammys.
Also I wondered if we TV viewers do not get to see the whole ceremony. There should be Best Folk or soundtrack catorgories, surely. I might be wrong though....
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