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Panasonic Freesat/blueray Recorder
Just been on whathifi.co.uk and on the news page theres a article on the panny,500GB Hard drive and blue ray recorder sounds alright,No price
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Wonder how much it will be. With the BD and the 500GB drive probably about 500 Sterling!
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More info here:
http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/index.p...u-ray-recorder The price will be high for the 500GB but it looks like they will do cheaper models with 250GB and one with a DVD recorder not blu ray. Im not getting a humax now til I see what happens with these little beauties
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Am I the only person who just doesn't 'get' the desire to archive to DVD or Blu Ray? Having had a Tivo for about 7 years the biggest benefit, overnight, was the elimination of the pile of VHS's that used to clutter up the place and the ability to simply find recording because they all appeared in a single on screen menu.
My hacked Tivo held about 80 hours at best quality and I never had to delete much there was ever any chance of me watching. There is always enough 'new' TV to mean that i'm unlikely to ever find the time to rewatch old shows. DVD boxsets, with nice packaging, get very cheap in time and older films can be picked up for a couple of quid on DVD. If you do want to keep a larger archive disc storage gets cheaper all the time - you can pick up a Terrabyte external drive for £75 on Amazon today which would give a huge archive. the Panasonic looks a nice box and from the remote it looks like some thought might have gone into the interface. I'm still battling with the navigation of the Humax with it's menu/list/schedule/guide/Opt+ buttons and exit/left/back/colours - a bit more user testing could have removed at least 4 buttons from the remote and made it far simpler to use without having to continually search for the next button press (Tivo manages to do pretty much anything with a menu/4 way and select) |
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We’ll be taking the DMR-BS850 for a spin later today. Stay glued for tons of hands-on photos and first impressions.
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Am I the only person who just doesn't 'get' the desire to archive to DVD or Blu Ray? Having had a Tivo for about 7 years the biggest benefit, overnight, was the elimination of the pile of VHS's that used to clutter up the place and the ability to simply find recording because they all appeared in a single on screen menu.
My hacked Tivo held about 80 hours at best quality and I never had to delete much there was ever any chance of me watching. There is always enough 'new' TV to mean that i'm unlikely to ever find the time to rewatch old shows. DVD boxsets, with nice packaging, get very cheap in time and older films can be picked up for a couple of quid on DVD. If you do want to keep a larger archive disc storage gets cheaper all the time - you can pick up a Terrabyte external drive for £75 on Amazon today which would give a huge archive. the Panasonic looks a nice box and from the remote it looks like some thought might have gone into the interface. I'm still battling with the navigation of the Humax with it's menu/list/schedule/guide/Opt+ buttons and exit/left/back/colours - a bit more user testing could have removed at least 4 buttons from the remote and made it far simpler to use without having to continually search for the next button press (Tivo manages to do pretty much anything with a menu/4 way and select) Having said that there are consistently large numbers of people that have been asking for twin tuner PVR/DVD recorders in the PVR forum. With HD becoming standard for both broadcast and hard copy the move to Blu Ray recorders seems logical and this implementation (twin tuners) sounds like a good one. The remote is the same one Panasonic have been using on all their recorders for a while. The only difference between it and the one for my HDD/DVD-R are "Viera Cast" has displace "Prog./Check" which has displaced "Time Slip" which has moved to the green "fast text" button. The menu structure on mine isn't that great. It took me a short while to find the tuning screen last night to update it with yesterdays Freeview EPG shuffle. |
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Am I the only person who just doesn't 'get' the desire to archive to DVD or Blu Ray? Having had a Tivo for about 7 years the biggest benefit, overnight, was the elimination of the pile of VHS's that used to clutter up the place and the ability to simply find recording because they all appeared in a single on screen menu.
My hacked Tivo held about 80 hours at best quality and I never had to delete much there was ever any chance of me watching. There is always enough 'new' TV to mean that i'm unlikely to ever find the time to rewatch old shows. DVD boxsets, with nice packaging, get very cheap in time and older films can be picked up for a couple of quid on DVD. If you do want to keep a larger archive disc storage gets cheaper all the time - you can pick up a Terrabyte external drive for £75 on Amazon today which would give a huge archive. the Panasonic looks a nice box and from the remote it looks like some thought might have gone into the interface. I'm still battling with the navigation of the Humax with it's menu/list/schedule/guide/Opt+ buttons and exit/left/back/colours - a bit more user testing could have removed at least 4 buttons from the remote and made it far simpler to use without having to continually search for the next button press (Tivo manages to do pretty much anything with a menu/4 way and select) The draw with this box though is that it can have everything in one, freesat pvr plus a bluray player plus a photo card viewer plus an internet video streamer through viera cast, all in one box. |
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Should be good news for Humax owners even if they aren't interested in Panasonic product - as it ramps up the pressure on Humax to get the HDR firmware fully polished and including all those pieces they might otherwise ignore, like non-freesat mode and possibly including some kind of web server so people can control it remotely. We know the box is capable of these things its a matter of the time spent perfecting it and the physical size of the firmware.
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The draw with this box though is that it can have everything in one, freesat pvr plus a bluray player plus a photo card viewer plus an internet video streamer through viera cast, all in one box.
Personally I like to keep things seperate - if a Freesat Tivo came out I'd not want to have to replace my BluRay player at the same time - and since BR's are available from £150 now it can't add too much to the price. |
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... and possibly including some kind of web server so people can control it remotely.
1) the standby mode is fairly 'deep'. ie most of the box is switched off to get the power consumption down low. To do any web booking the box is going to have to be on or capable of wake-on-lan. However even if you can initiate wake-on-lan remotely i'd have thought the boot time is going to give problems on timeout - 2) i've seen people looking for DigiGuide. I'm not sure how this would map to the UID's that are implied by the Freesat+ functionality. You might be able to make a timer recording via something like Digiguide but i'd have thought to get the Freesat+ functionality (including things like 'do you want this in HD) you're talking about running the HDR interface over the web. |
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More info about the Panny Blu-ray Freesat devices, here: http://www.pvrjunction.co.uk/spring-...750-dmr-xs350/
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How are these going to get past the apparent Freesat+ requirement that HD content is "made difficult" to export from the box - ie encryption and lack of even RGB enabled Scart HD content from the Humax.
Surely BBC HD content won't be allowed to be reeled off onto a BD-R disc? |
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How are these going to get past the apparent Freesat+ requirement that HD content is "made difficult" to export from the box - ie encryption and lack of even RGB enabled Scart HD content from the Humax.
Surely BBC HD content won't be allowed to be reeled off onto a BD-R disc? Just done an interesting price comparison My foxsat-hdr has the internal HDD removed and replaced by a 1Tb hard disc in an external 1Tb slot in cradle. Cost of mod about £25.00 Cost Of 1TB drive about £80.00 so I have HD archiving at about £80.00 a TB. With an initial hardware cost of around £320.00. Whats more the HDD will work in any other similarly modded hdr. Cost of Panasonic Blue ray freesat pvr around £1000.00 current cost of 25GB blue ray blanks £6.91 so thats an archive cost of £276.00 for 1TB (Assuming you could fill em all up). In fact that at current prices will get me 8TB of archive storage. Conclusion the price of Blue Ray blanks are going to have to fall to around the price of a DVD blank before it's even worth thinking about spending £1000.00. Sticking with my hdr for the foreseeable future |
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Intresting.... although I agree with others I'd prefer not to have the BR / DVD drives my self - just no need for it and it bumps the price up.
I'd much rather have seprates. Terran |
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How are these going to get past the apparent Freesat+ requirement that HD content is "made difficult" to export from the box - ie encryption and lack of even RGB enabled Scart HD content from the Humax.
Surely BBC HD content won't be allowed to be reeled off onto a BD-R disc? |
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The way the Australian version works is, protected content can't be copied but can be moved. So you can move a recording to Blu Ray disc but it's deleted off your hard drive and you can't copy the disc (unless you crack the DRM). Other than the limitless recording capacity and the ease with which the media can be carried around, loaned out etc., this isn't so different to being allowed to make the recording on an internal drive in the first place. Without being privy to the Freesat technical specs (presumably based on the contractual obligations of the BBC and ITV as HD providers and platform owners) I wouldn't know if such a scheme would conform to them or not. But Panasonic do know the specs and must be confident there won't be a problem with Blu Ray recording as the limited quantity of HD on Freesat wouldn't justify developing the machine if a significant amount (any?) of it couldn't be recorded to Blu Ray.
. May be the Beeb will finally get round to removing drm protection on some of it's output. If so great news for anyone with a freesat HD box.
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OK - Seems a reasonable way to manage BluRay copies - but won't apply to DVD's burnt on the DVD recorder version?
The price may be a problem with some potential customers........(taken from PVR junction) "The estimated retail price of these devices have not been released. If we take into account the markets around the world where these machines are already available; you could be looking at around as much as £700 for the DVD recorder twin tuner PVR, and over £1000 for the blu-ray versions" Makes the Humax seem very reasonable since the hard drive is 320Gb and the cheapest Panasonic may be as much as £700 for 250Gb |
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OK - Seems a reasonable way to manage BluRay copies - but won't apply to DVD's burnt on the DVD recorder version?
The price may be a problem with some potential customers........(taken from PVR junction) "The estimated retail price of these devices have not been released. If we take into account the markets around the world where these machines are already available; you could be looking at around as much as £700 for the DVD recorder twin tuner PVR, and over £1000 for the blu-ray versions" Makes the Humax seem very reasonable since the hard drive is 320Gb and the cheapest Panasonic may be as much as £700 for 250Gb I think there is a market for this. I for one, would love one of these but have no interest if this price is correct. I think to justify the price it will need to be a Xmas pressie for many. |
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£500 is a bit over the top. And you would have to by some Blue-ray disks, each time you want to save a recording.
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£500 is a bit over the top. And you would have to by some Blue-ray disks, each time you want to save a recording.
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I think only £500 is wildly optimistic - I suspect you could at least double that.
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/02...priced-for-uk/ |
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http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/02...on-photo-fest/
The remote is exactly like my DMR-EZ27 DVD recorder. I would expect the UI to be just as clunky too...
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Not a very accurate website though ![]() Quote:
Add a separate Blu-Ray recorder and you’ll need to add another £200 at least, and that’s for an entry level SONY RDRHXD890B.
First I've heard about a £200 BluRay recorder, or that the 890 DVD recorder will play or record BluRay
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