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Cons of ipod touch?
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sancheeez
27-02-2009
Originally Posted by Scrolllock:
“It only becomes a problem when misinformation creeps into the discussion.”

Good lord you talk crap.

Misinformation is false or inaccurate information that is spread unintentionally.

What has been posted on this thread that is false or incorrect please?

Does it play DivX .... no.
Does it include a mains charger .... no.
Does it support mass storage .... no.
Does this restrict it's portability .... yes.
Can you copy files back the way onto your computer .... no.
Does it have a custom EQ .... no.
Do you have to pay for your updates .... some people do: http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html

etc etc

Battery life is subjective but it is not the best on the market.

Do third party TV out cables work? Maybe. Read the feedback to the one you posted on DX. It's literature says it doesn't, some of the feedback suggests it does. I'd rather not have to order one from Hong Kong in the first place personally.

Originally Posted by Scrolllock:
“You may list far better players but the reality of the situation is that there are no players out there that are "far better." - IN YOUR OPINION - Even the professional reviewers out there acknowledge that.”

There you go.

I've corrected that for you.

Other than that, all can add is :yawn: , :sleep: ,

I'm not wasting any more wear on my keyboard responding you.

Here ....

The Apple iPod Touch is the best device in the universe. It is the best that ever has been, the best that ever is, and the best that ever will be. It is perfect in every way. I cannot ever be improved upon or bettered.

Oh .... I almost forgot ....



Will you go away now?

PS ... How long does it take you to put together so many multipart responses on your macbook wheel .... quite a while I imagine .... or does that predictive sentence technology make it really quick?
Scrolllock
27-02-2009
Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“Indeed.

And I see nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Features, size, battery life, format compatibility, wires/chargers included .... they're all part of the package aren't they.”

Which explains why you are making silly battery life comparisons of devices of different sizes? Or that it is somehow a big deal that you don't get a mains charger when you can simply buy one very expensively, like that $1 one I posted?

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“It's just some people can't see that. Scrolllock is a perfect example. Coming out with crap but "Oh, it's a bigger device" .... pish! It's a pro for the Touch that it's smaller and slimmer, but a con that you pay for that in battery life! (and also screen size as the screen on the A2 is slightly bigger) If you use the "Oh, it's slightly bigger" argument then the only device you can ever compare it to is one of exactly the same dimensions. What a load of nonsense.”

Please, you know what you wrote.

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“At the end of the day, they are both PMP's. Their size may be a bit different, their features may be a bit different, one is better than the other in certain areas and vice versa, but they are essentially the same general type of device. As is the Archos 6 series, Iubi Blue, Creative Vision:W etc etc .....

The OP asked for cons. I pointed out what I percieve as cons against the device (well, they stopped me buying it!).”

Like the mains charger? You mention the lack of it and yet you don't point out that one can be bought as cheaply as $1!

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“I then got a fanboy reply trying to imply that none of these were actually cons. Clearly not in his eyes anyway.”

No, what you have is a mature adult responding to you about a piece of electronics.

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“Some people see iTunes as a con .... I now await the reply telling me "Don't be stupid, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread .... or perhaps the wheel!". ”

Why would you await me saying that you are "stupid?"

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“It's some peoples inability to percieve some things as anything less than perfect just because they like it that irritates me.”

I never mentioned anything in regards to perfection.

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“
Oh, and before I go .... heres another one for you Mr Scrolllock:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=995708

YOU CAN'T MOVE YOUR OWN BLOODY FILES BACK THE WAY CAN YOU. CON! CON! CON!

(Well, not without resorting to third party "unofficial" solutions anyway)”

If you have your library backed up, as you should, why would you need to?
glyn9799
27-02-2009
Ahh i love my Touch. One of the best things i've ever bought

My only critisisms are the fact that when listening to a Genius playlist i am unable to flick between the playlist and that actual album (so when you press the Genius button you are unable to return to the album) Also, unlike my old Zen, you are unable to remove or add tracks from the 'Now Playing' playlist.

Other then that it's fantastic

Battery life doesn't seem too bad. No worse then i expected. I have the 32gb and i listen to it all the time and (unless it's on constant wi-fi) it lasts a good few days until it reaches the red. Altohugh it gets synced to my itunes every night though so it's always getting topped up.
sancheeez
27-02-2009
Originally Posted by Scrolllock:
“If you have your library backed up, as you should, why would you need to? ”

Maybe your house burnt down?

Or do you have your backup elsewhere in a secure storage facility ....
sancheeez
27-02-2009
Clearly you are not a man of your word.

Why are you still here?
Scrolllock
27-02-2009
Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“Good lord you talk crap.

Misinformation is false or inaccurate information that is spread unintentionally.

What has been posted on this thread that is false or incorrect please?

Does it play DivX .... no.
Does it include a mains charger .... no.
Does it support mass storage .... no.
Does this restrict it's portability .... yes.
Can you copy files back the way onto your computer .... no.
Does it have a custom EQ .... no.
Do you have to pay for your updates .... some people do: http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html

etc etc

Battery life is subjective but it is not the best on the market.

Do third party TV out cables work? Maybe. Read the feedback to the one you posted on DX. It's literature says it doesn't, some of the feedback suggests it does. I'd rather not have to order one from Hong Kong in the first place personally.”

As I said before, you know what you have written. People can go back and read for themselves without me having to repost your remarks.

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“There you go.

I've corrected that for you.

Other than that, all can add is :yawn: , :sleep: ,

I'm not wasting any more wear on my keyboard responding you.”

If you are going to quote me then I would ask you to please NOT add or change anything I have written. Show some respect for other people even if you do not agree with what they believe in or say!

Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“Here ....

The Apple iPod Touch is the best device in the universe. It is the best that ever has been, the best that ever is, and the best that ever will be. It is perfect in every way. I cannot ever be improved upon or bettered.

Oh .... I almost forgot ....



Will you go away now?

PS ... How long does it take you to put together so many multipart responses on your macbook wheel .... quite a while I imagine .... or does that predictive sentence technology make it really quick?”

This is a good example of what I mean about a lack of objectivity.
kyussmondo
27-02-2009
Originally Posted by frost:
“Are you sure? I have updated the software in my ipod touch though itunes a couple of times since I have had it and dont pay anything.”

I think it may only be the bigger updates. Little updates like the one from 2.2 to 2.2.1 are free I guess, unless Apple have stopped charging now.
Matt-08
27-02-2009
Originally Posted by kyussmondo:
“I think it may only be the bigger updates. Little updates like the one from 2.2 to 2.2.1 are free I guess, unless Apple have stopped charging now.”

If you already had 2.0, it was free to update to 2.1, 2.2 and 2.2.1. If not it was like £5.99.

The new 2G Touch came with 2.1 preinstalled so you wouldn't have had to pay, although Apple may charge for 3.0?
Izak
28-02-2009
I can honesty say my iPod Touch is the best gadget I have ever bought. I use it everyday from simply listening to music to surfing the Internet, keeping records of how much money I spend, keep notes, plan my to-do list, play games, use it as an atlas and encyclopedia. It is an incredable device.
GamerGirl
28-02-2009
I was given an 8GB Touch...although I wasn't keen on having one. Mainly because of iTunes .
It comes with a USB charge cable and I bought a mains charger from Tesco which works fine. Just as well because the battery power runs away like water, and I'm only occasionally checking stuff online with it. I'm not really bothered about the games. I don't have much music on it because I have a Sandisk Clip mp3 player which is far easier to drag n drop files onto rather than having to use iTunes. Plus the Sandisk has a radio.

iTunes is the most loathsome application. I really, really didn't want it taking over my PC, but you can't begin to operate the Touch without having it, so it's now infesting my machine.
I managed to install it without the unnecessary Bonjour Service and I have to disable the other iTunes services until I want to connect the Touch for updating, otherwise they are permanently running in the background.
I made a specific folder to synch to for any music I wanted on the Touch as I certainly didn't want iTunes messing about with my files either. And no, none of them are dodgy.
scarly
28-02-2009
I love my ipod touch! The battery does drain quickly though, but its not a problem, I just charge it every evening

I'm new to this forum, and have noticed the animosity of some people, and am wondering why? You guys slagging off the Touch..... are you doing it just because you don't like Apple products per se, or do you actually own one and have not enjoyed the product?
sancheeez
01-03-2009
Originally Posted by scarly:
“You guys slagging off the Touch..... are you doing it just because you don't like Apple products per se, or do you actually own one and have not enjoyed the product?”

If that was aimed at me, I wasn't actually slagging the touch off. It's the attitude of certain users of their products that annoys me.

I simply pointed out a few cons halfway down the first page then got dragged into the usual moronic discussion by someone convinced it's the best device on the planet in every possible respect .... which it's not.

It's very good yes, but it's not the best all round in every single area. Thats not slagging anything off, simply stating a fact!

Theres two iPods in my house and I've used both the touch and iPhone. Very good, but they don't do what I need ... and iTunes is hateful (thankfully MediaMonkey is an able substitute there).
mikey86uk
03-03-2009
I love my touch

has everything on it, and i have so many apps
CoolboyA
03-03-2009
I love the Touch
Worth every penny i spent on it (Got it half price so i cannot complain!)

The Apps are really great and if you get a good pair of headphones music ain't too bad either
IslandNiles
03-03-2009
I will say first that I don't own an iPod Touch. But of the cons stated so far, I'd say the lack of a mains charger is the one most likely to affect the average user.

I got a mains charger with my iPod Photo, and it's proved very useful. My mum and my brother have more recent iPods, and both have bought mains chargers since.

The thing you have to consider is that it's fine to charge through USB on a day-to-day basis, but when you're going away for a few nights, or particularly on holiday, the mains charger is invaluable. Someone mentioned their laptop, but I'd argue that most people don't take their laptops on holiday with them.

One of the main benefits of an iPod (or other MP3 player with large storage) is that you can carry far more music around with you than you could previously. This is particularly useful if you're going away (it was great for our American road trip last year) but unless you have a mains charger, it's probably going to be fairly useless.

That said, mains chargers are not particularly expensive. It depends whether you see it as so objectionable that one doesn't come in the box that it would constitute a reason not to purchase.
DS Forum Support
05-03-2009
Hi,

A number of off topic posts have been removed from this thread.

Thanks,

DS Forum Support
Niranjaniz
06-03-2009
I will compare my experience of previous iPods mainly the 5G ipod 30GB (pretty much like the new classic) to the touch 2G 32GB.

1. lack of buttons, I know i did know this before purchasing but i did not realise how much i would miss them luckily i don't commute as much as i did when i owned the 5G, i liked changing tracks whilst the iPod was in my jeans i just click over my jeans, now i have to pull it out press the button then swipe ANNOYING!! apple clearly have not made it intuitive. Luckily i can adjust volume with buttons, but hopefully apple will allow holding down either volume button to change tracks or something.

2. no mass storage use, seriously? I cant take advantage of 32GB mass storage on SSD? So lame, i have a 4GB USB but i like to toss around large files in quantities i used to hold entire seasons of tv shows movies etc now i cant, or holding DVD iso's etc was so useful before.

3. unintuitive navigation, i think the click wheel navigation tops the touchscreen anyday i have to slide the bottom for volume, the top for track, swipe back to go back to track selection, or Home to get out, so fiddly! what a mess! The list of videos is just one big list no folders allowed? what crap sorting or lack of!

4. The biggest problem is the damn coverflow, let me turn it off!!! Fine if you like it good be happy, when im in bed the damn thing thinks i want to go into cover flow, i don't! let me turn it off apple! what a stupid thing to do, what an idiot you would have to be to not consider this.

You may say i should have got the iPod classic but ill say it now it does a lot of things the classic cannot which i enjoy which this topic is not about, and i have not mentioned, which outweigh the disadvantages so keep that in mind.
sancheeez
06-03-2009
Originally Posted by Niranjaniz:
“1. lack of buttons, I know i did know this before purchasing but i did not realise how much i would miss them luckily i don't commute as much as i did when i owned the 5G, i liked changing tracks whilst the iPod was in my jeans i just click over my jeans, now i have to pull it out press the button then swipe ANNOYING!! apple clearly have not made it intuitive. Luckily i can adjust volume with buttons, but hopefully apple will allow holding down either volume button to change tracks or something.”

Can't you get some form of inline remote for it?

I know you'd have to buy it separately, and unless there were third party ones availble, you'd probably have to pay Apple a small fortune for it, but that would solve your problem.

I have to go back years to the last player I used that I didn't have an inline remote for, I think I'd be lost without it now!

Had a quick look on DealExtreme's site. You can get this:

http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks...s.dx/sku.11592

... but it only works with first gen Touch.

You'd have to wait for it to arrive from Hong Kong as well but at least it's cheap. (DX are fine by the way .... if you've never used them)
Scrolllock
06-03-2009
Originally Posted by DS Forum Support:
“Hi,

A number of off topic posts have been removed from this thread.

Thanks,

DS Forum Support”

So you removed the post, that I reported to you, where sancheeez calls me an "idiot" and yet you do not ban him, not even temporarily? Amazing.

What now, will you remove this post and then ban me instead?

That's some moderation and some enforcement of your own rules you got going there. And yet people get banned all the time if their politics are not on the correct side of the political spectrum or if they are a not an accepted part of a Digital Spy clique.
KAC
07-03-2009
Originally Posted by Niranjaniz:
“I will compare my experience of previous iPods mainly the 5G ipod 30GB (pretty much like the new classic) to the touch 2G 32GB.

1. lack of buttons, I know i did know this before purchasing but i did not realise how much i would miss them luckily i don't commute as much as i did when i owned the 5G, i liked changing tracks whilst the iPod was in my jeans i just click over my jeans, now i have to pull it out press the button then swipe ANNOYING!! apple clearly have not made it intuitive. Luckily i can adjust volume with buttons, but hopefully apple will allow holding down either volume button to change tracks or something.”

Did you ever try just double tapping the home button instead of unlocking it?

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“3. unintuitive navigation, i think the click wheel navigation tops the touchscreen anyday i have to slide the bottom for volume, the top for track, swipe back to go back to track selection, or Home to get out, so fiddly! what a mess! The list of videos is just one big list no folders allowed? what crap sorting or lack of!”

Unintuitive? The last click wheel iPod I had was a 5G but having to drill down into the music settings menu just to turn the shuffle and repeat options on and off, that was unintuitive. Also show me how to reorganise tracks in a playlist with a click wheel? Having all (or most of your functions) presented to you up front is surely better than having most hidden behind various presses of the click wheel.
TH14
07-03-2009
The con is definately battery life. Considering it plays videos and lets you access web/photos/email/youtube the battery just doesn't cater for it. If I put youtube on then before I know it it needs charging again and it's the only drawback IMO. Other than that it's absolutely fantastic and I wouldn't hesistate in recommending one. It's a great MP3 player but I love surfing the net, getting email, watching youtube, storing photos on it and the apps make it even better.Fantastic...would be perfect if it wasn't for the battery
Matt-08
07-03-2009
Originally Posted by TH14:
“The con is definately battery life. Considering it plays videos and lets you access web/photos/email/youtube the battery just doesn't cater for it. If I put youtube on then before I know it it needs charging again and it's the only drawback IMO. Other than that it's absolutely fantastic and I wouldn't hesistate in recommending one. It's a great MP3 player but I love surfing the net, getting email, watching youtube, storing photos on it and the apps make it even better.Fantastic...would be perfect if it wasn't for the battery”

If you turn the WiFi off though, the battery has an amazing life of 36 hours of music playback - that's quite impressive considering how thin it is. The 1st gen has 22 hours.
Niranjaniz
07-03-2009
@KAC

I have but i forget its there, but my pocket problem still remains. I've explained myself and they are still problems to me whether you think they are or not.

@sancheez thanks but i don't think that's the right model, ive looked at others and apples official headphones with remote line looks good, although i want to use my own headphones like you have shown

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB...mco=MjE0NDgxMg
TH14
07-03-2009
Originally Posted by Matt-08:
“If you turn the WiFi off though, the battery has an amazing life of 36 hours of music playback - that's quite impressive considering how thin it is. The 1st gen has 22 hours.”

For listening to music the battery isnt bad but the device does so much and if you use it for internet and the like then it doesn't last as long as I'd like. I actually use it more more youtube/internet browsing/email and the apps than I do listening to music
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