the end of plasma?

edgexedge · 28-02-2009, 02:16

the end of plasma?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/11...us-on-lcd-tvs/

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/16...asma-business/

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/26...plasma-market/

http://www.nytimes.com/external/giga...las-18932.html

"Now, the only plasma manufacturers left standing are Panasonic, LG, and Samsung, all of which make their own components."

but if LG do pull out, that leaves 2. the article does say Panasonic will probably stick with it.

what about Samsung? they are the worlds largest lcd manufacturer, & being the 2nd largest mobile phone manufacturer, they are probably doing a lot of r&d into oled's.

with the amount of r&d going on into lcd screens, it cant be long before the standard ones are as good as plasma, even at large sizes.

SkyPaulusPlus · 28-02-2009, 03:27

plasma is dangerous and costl, lcd is the way to go, like vhs v betamax, svhs v dvd, bluray v hddvd, black v white

David (2) · 28-02-2009, 09:14

I cant wait for OLED screens to get bigger and cheaper. Thats where its at (my point of view).

Dave

bronson · 28-02-2009, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus

plasma is dangerous and costl, lcd is the way to go, like vhs v betamax, svhs v dvd, bluray v hddvd, black v white

How is plasma dangerous?

Jarrak · 28-02-2009, 12:22

Well they could fall off the wall mount and hit you on the head

I think we are simply seeing the market embrace cheaper solutions and LCD has always had that edge over plasma and certainly LCD has improved far more than Plasma over the last few years. Of course we are now hitting the point where LCD itself has nowhere to go both in technology and price which isn't good for anyone which is why we really need OLED to become the mainstream high end alternative and in time not only offer the benefits of LCD production (cheaper and easier than Plasma) but the already higher quality images it can create and of course having the green credentials that Plasma rightly or wrongly does not.

Nigel Goodwin · 28-02-2009, 14:08

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Originally Posted by bronson

How is plasma dangerous?

Very good question! - I've never heard of it been dangerous, and fail to see how it could be?.

roddydogs · 28-02-2009, 15:30

Will i be able to get a Kuro cheap, then?

late8 · 28-02-2009, 15:42

still offers the best PQ
best PQ value for money

LCD is flawed and always will be- it cant go much further- LED backlights are rare and dont work- to turn off a part of the picture is wrong.

OLED needs to come along quick.

It will be a shame to see Plasma go but a real alternative for true enthusiasts has to be available first. Laser TV may creep up and bite OLED on the ass for Big screen 37"+

chrisbartley · 28-02-2009, 16:20

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How is plasma dangerous?

Well, it might explode while it was being re-gassed !

Jarrak · 28-02-2009, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddydogs

Will i be able to get a Kuro cheap, then?

Demand is likely to remain high and supply dwindling to nothing so who knows, they may sell at a premium

Weigh-Man · 28-02-2009, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus

plasma is dangerous and costl, lcd is the way to go, like vhs v betamax, svhs v dvd, bluray v hddvd, black v white

That's possibly the most ignorant comment I have seen on DS and that is saying something.

_ben · 28-02-2009, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by David (2)

I cant wait for OLED screens to get bigger and cheaper. Thats where its at (my point of view).

I have to say, I just can't get over the quality of the small OLED screen on my mp3 player. Its the best display technology I've ever seen - the sooner they start making big affordable OLED TVs the better.

SkyPaulusPlus · 28-02-2009, 18:34

im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode

Jarrak · 28-02-2009, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus

im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode

Nothing to worry about, it's the CRT's you have to be scared of....

Youtube

chrisbartley · 28-02-2009, 18:50

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im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode

"Myth #2: The gas in a plasma TV is poisonous
Fact: The gas used in plasma TVs is a mix of two non-flammable "inert" gases: neon and xenon. These gases are not harmful, either individually or when combined. Besides, the amount of gas used in a plasma TV has been described as "barely a thimble-full." So if the gas were to somehow leak out (which it won't, see Myth #3 below), it can't harm you.
"

http://www.hephnertv.com/plasma_myths.html

Bob22A · 28-02-2009, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by late8

still offers the best PQ
best PQ value for money

LCD is flawed and always will be- it cant go much further- LED backlights are rare and dont work- to turn off a part of the picture is wrong.

OLED needs to come along quick.

It will be a shame to see Plasma go but a real alternative for true enthusiasts has to be available first. Laser TV may creep up and bite OLED on the ass for Big screen 37"+

There is nothing particularly flawed about LCD technology. Its not perfect but can give as good a picure as any other current techlogy and given most TV output is SD and even most of the HD is at the bottom of the HD standard it's not going to matter for quite a time.

Plasma is largly going because LCS upt to about 542" is cheaper. Plasma is mainly around for 46" plus at present

Nigel Goodwin · 28-02-2009, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus

im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode

Complete load of rubbish

A plasma panel contains very little 'gas' anyway, at about half atmospheric pressure - and as already stated, is a mixture of completely harmless noble gases.

sancheeez · 01-03-2009, 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by David (2)

I cant wait for OLED screens to get bigger and cheaper.

It would be nice wouldn't it.

A 40" OLED panel thats about 5mm thick or something. I could live wit that. And their colour reproduction is meant to be awesome.

Cowon have put a 3.3" OLED in their newest PMP. Granted, it's still a small screen, but it's meant to be amazing .... even at that size.

Have a look at the example pics here:

http://www.dapreview.net/p/content/c...?content.348.4

The A2 may have to get upgraded soon after all!

roddydogs · 01-03-2009, 07:58

Where can i buy this 542" Telly--LCS thats "Cheaper"....but first i need a bigger house.!

meltcity · 01-03-2009, 15:36

The greatest danger with a dropped plasma is not the poisonous gas but the sickly red plasma jelly that starts oozing onto the carpet. Disgusting!

GaryB · 01-03-2009, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus

plasma is dangerous...

Only if one falls on your head.

FlatProblem · 03-03-2009, 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weigh-Man

That's possibly the most ignorant comment I have seen on DS and that is saying something.

In that case, you obviously missed the rest of the comment in which he went on to compare display technology with formats?!?!

Philster25 · 04-03-2009, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob22A

There is nothing particularly flawed about LCD technology. Its not perfect but can give as good a picure as any other current techlogy and given most TV output is SD and even most of the HD is at the bottom of the HD standard it's not going to matter for quite a time.

Plasma is largly going because LCS upt to about 542" is cheaper. Plasma is mainly around for 46" plus at present

Not entirely true as it can't give as good a picture as the top of the range plasmas.

Sad to see Pioneer leave the plasma market but not entirely a surprise, hopefully Panasonic can up their game to fill the gap going forward

Steve AWOL · 04-03-2009, 14:39

Looks like the LG rumours have been put to bed for now:

LG NOT withdrawing from plasma TVs

And Panasonic are still fully committed to plasma judging by the raft of new models for 2009:

Panasonic 2009 plasmas available in stores and for pre-order; pricing leaked

roddydogs · 04-03-2009, 15:57

When will we see them Here (UK)?

28-02-2009, 02:16	#1
edgexedge Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,881	the end of plasma? the end of plasma? http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/11...us-on-lcd-tvs/ http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/16...asma-business/ http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/26...plasma-market/ http://www.nytimes.com/external/giga...las-18932.html "Now, the only plasma manufacturers left standing are Panasonic, LG, and Samsung, all of which make their own components." but if LG do pull out, that leaves 2. the article does say Panasonic will probably stick with it. what about Samsung? they are the worlds largest lcd manufacturer, & being the 2nd largest mobile phone manufacturer, they are probably doing a lot of r&d into oled's. with the amount of r&d going on into lcd screens, it cant be long before the standard ones are as good as plasma, even at large sizes.

28-02-2009, 03:27	#2
SkyPaulusPlus Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: England Posts: 3,822	plasma is dangerous and costl, lcd is the way to go, like vhs v betamax, svhs v dvd, bluray v hddvd, black v white

28-02-2009, 09:14	#3
David (2) Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: S.West England. Posts: 18,037	I cant wait for OLED screens to get bigger and cheaper. Thats where its at (my point of view). Dave

28-02-2009, 12:15	#4
bronson Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,410	Quote: Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus plasma is dangerous and costl, lcd is the way to go, like vhs v betamax, svhs v dvd, bluray v hddvd, black v white How is plasma dangerous?

28-02-2009, 12:22	#5
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Well they could fall off the wall mount and hit you on the head I think we are simply seeing the market embrace cheaper solutions and LCD has always had that edge over plasma and certainly LCD has improved far more than Plasma over the last few years. Of course we are now hitting the point where LCD itself has nowhere to go both in technology and price which isn't good for anyone which is why we really need OLED to become the mainstream high end alternative and in time not only offer the benefits of LCD production (cheaper and easier than Plasma) but the already higher quality images it can create and of course having the green credentials that Plasma rightly or wrongly does not.

28-02-2009, 14:08	#6
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by bronson How is plasma dangerous? Very good question! - I've never heard of it been dangerous, and fail to see how it could be?.

28-02-2009, 15:30	#7
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,352	Will i be able to get a Kuro cheap, then?

28-02-2009, 15:42	#8
late8 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,052	still offers the best PQ best PQ value for money LCD is flawed and always will be- it cant go much further- LED backlights are rare and dont work- to turn off a part of the picture is wrong. OLED needs to come along quick. It will be a shame to see Plasma go but a real alternative for true enthusiasts has to be available first. Laser TV may creep up and bite OLED on the ass for Big screen 37"+

28-02-2009, 16:20	#9
chrisbartley Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: berks Posts: 1,643	Quote: How is plasma dangerous? Well, it might explode while it was being re-gassed !

28-02-2009, 17:56	#10
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by roddydogs Will i be able to get a Kuro cheap, then? Demand is likely to remain high and supply dwindling to nothing so who knows, they may sell at a premium

28-02-2009, 18:07	#11
Weigh-Man Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 2,073	Quote: Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus plasma is dangerous and costl, lcd is the way to go, like vhs v betamax, svhs v dvd, bluray v hddvd, black v white That's possibly the most ignorant comment I have seen on DS and that is saying something.

28-02-2009, 18:11	#12
_ben Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,727	Quote: Originally Posted by David (2) I cant wait for OLED screens to get bigger and cheaper. Thats where its at (my point of view). I have to say, I just can't get over the quality of the small OLED screen on my mp3 player. Its the best display technology I've ever seen - the sooner they start making big affordable OLED TVs the better.

28-02-2009, 18:34	#13
SkyPaulusPlus Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: England Posts: 3,822	im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode

28-02-2009, 18:38	#14
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode Nothing to worry about, it's the CRT's you have to be scared of.... Youtube

28-02-2009, 18:50	#15
chrisbartley Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: berks Posts: 1,643	Quote: im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode "Myth #2: The gas in a plasma TV is poisonous Fact: The gas used in plasma TVs is a mix of two non-flammable "inert" gases: neon and xenon. These gases are not harmful, either individually or when combined. Besides, the amount of gas used in a plasma TV has been described as "barely a thimble-full." So if the gas were to somehow leak out (which it won't, see Myth #3 below), it can't harm you. " http://www.hephnertv.com/plasma_myths.html

28-02-2009, 19:06	#16
Bob22A Inactive Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6,744	Quote: Originally Posted by late8 still offers the best PQ best PQ value for money LCD is flawed and always will be- it cant go much further- LED backlights are rare and dont work- to turn off a part of the picture is wrong. OLED needs to come along quick. It will be a shame to see Plasma go but a real alternative for true enthusiasts has to be available first. Laser TV may creep up and bite OLED on the ass for Big screen 37"+ There is nothing particularly flawed about LCD technology. Its not perfect but can give as good a picure as any other current techlogy and given most TV output is SD and even most of the HD is at the bottom of the HD standard it's not going to matter for quite a time. Plasma is largly going because LCS upt to about 542" is cheaper. Plasma is mainly around for 46" plus at present

28-02-2009, 20:06	#17
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus im sure its something to do with gas in them, which can explode Complete load of rubbish A plasma panel contains very little 'gas' anyway, at about half atmospheric pressure - and as already stated, is a mixture of completely harmless noble gases.

01-03-2009, 01:54	#18
sancheeez Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,762	Quote: Originally Posted by David (2) I cant wait for OLED screens to get bigger and cheaper. It would be nice wouldn't it. A 40" OLED panel thats about 5mm thick or something. I could live wit that. And their colour reproduction is meant to be awesome. Cowon have put a 3.3" OLED in their newest PMP. Granted, it's still a small screen, but it's meant to be amazing .... even at that size. Have a look at the example pics here: http://www.dapreview.net/p/content/c...?content.348.4 The A2 may have to get upgraded soon after all!

01-03-2009, 07:58	#19
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,352	Where can i buy this 542" Telly--LCS thats "Cheaper"....but first i need a bigger house.!

01-03-2009, 15:36	#20
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	The greatest danger with a dropped plasma is not the poisonous gas but the sickly red plasma jelly that starts oozing onto the carpet. Disgusting!

01-03-2009, 15:51	#21
GaryB Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Albans Posts: 4,088	Quote: Originally Posted by SkyPaulusPlus plasma is dangerous... Only if one falls on your head.

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03-03-2009, 14:15	#22
FlatProblem Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Harrogate, North Yorkshire Posts: 901	Quote: Originally Posted by Weigh-Man That's possibly the most ignorant comment I have seen on DS and that is saying something. In that case, you obviously missed the rest of the comment in which he went on to compare display technology with formats?!?!

04-03-2009, 13:29	#23
Philster25 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 28	Quote: Originally Posted by Bob22A There is nothing particularly flawed about LCD technology. Its not perfect but can give as good a picure as any other current techlogy and given most TV output is SD and even most of the HD is at the bottom of the HD standard it's not going to matter for quite a time. Plasma is largly going because LCS upt to about 542" is cheaper. Plasma is mainly around for 46" plus at present Not entirely true as it can't give as good a picture as the top of the range plasmas. Sad to see Pioneer leave the plasma market but not entirely a surprise, hopefully Panasonic can up their game to fill the gap going forward

04-03-2009, 14:39	#24
Steve AWOL Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bucks Posts: 1,908	Looks like the LG rumours have been put to bed for now: LG NOT withdrawing from plasma TVs And Panasonic are still fully committed to plasma judging by the raft of new models for 2009: Panasonic 2009 plasmas available in stores and for pre-order; pricing leaked

04-03-2009, 15:57	#25
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,352	When will we see them Here (UK)?