Does anyone know how setting padding interacts with series and accurate recording ?

You can set padding in one of two ways either globally by changing the start and end times from on time to a padding value or for an individual reservation by editing the start and end times.

In either of the above does the padding simply adjust the start and end time currently in the epg when set (ie overide the series/accurate record feature) or does the foxsat continue to track the programme and then apply the padding to the new transmission times (retains series and accurate recording) ?

The former; setting padding removes AR/AT, and pads the EPG times. Series Recording still works with autopadding... (unlike the Freeview PVRs).

The manual says:

That is a very interesting question and I don't know the answer. It would probably take quite a long experiment and I'm not sure I would want to have my box not set to auto for that time. But, here's what I would expect to happen.

Firstly, with padding added by default.
- As long as the programme has both Series and Prog CRIDs (see the Alba thread) I don't think being a series record will make any difference to timings.
- I would expect the recording to take place as per the EPG plus the padding.
- I would expect the HDR to track changes in the EPG.
- I would not expect it the make use of the accurate record start/stop signals.

Secondly, by editing the start and end times.
- I don't think it would perform a series record any more. (In fact, I have a recollection that it warns you of this if you attempt to edit a series recording. Might be a false memory.)
- Instead, you can record a series by using the same time every day or every weekday options.
- It will default to the EPG timing at the time you set the recording and allow you to change those times.
- Consequently, it will not track changes in the EPG or use accurate record.

It would be possible for a PVR to be designed so that it both padded and used accurate record (it could use its live buffer to start the recording before receiving the start signal) but I'm fairly sure the HDR doesn't do that. I'm not sure that it would be all that useful. It might solve the problem of losing the last few minutes of a programme when it is incorrectly signalled, but those are fairly rare. Problem is that it would increase the occasion of programme clashes resulting in failed recordings.

What might be useful is an option to automatically use accurate record normally but to pad if there is no CRID data for the programme in the EPG. In the case of no CRID data, I assume it currently records according to the EPG if default padding has not been selected. The problem with this is that it would require a fairly high degree of understanding on the part of the user.

if you select a programme from the EPG and select the series link option and then alter the start and end times manually this disables the series link

^ Yep, manual padding, removes SR. Only autopadding reserves SR.

This thread (BBC Alba)http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=992418 has not been viewed by many people to date and I would recommend any one reading this post who hasn't, do so. Although a lot of the posting are purely speculative it does however give an indication to many of the failed recordings people are experiencing

Thanks that's exactly what I wanted to know. Confusion removed

Individual "Manual Padding", i.e. selecting a programme from the EPG, and then Editing it, effectively turns it into a manual timer.

I have 2 "series" set up this way, since I found out the the hard way that Five cannot do Series Link

I chose Neighbours from the EPG as a Series, then edited it, adding 2 mins to the start, and 2 mins to the end. I was warned that this removes the Series Link; I then chose the repeat option to be Weekday. I did the same for the Minder series, apart from Weekly.

I don't believe these use Accurate Recording, or even pad the 2 mins to the EPG time at all. They start, and stop, at the times I set.

Interestingly, they still show the correct programme name in the Schedule.

I've never used the Auto Padding Feature, as I prefer Accurate Recording.

That's my experience.

Rgds.


Les.

Ive done that, but then totally missed recordings when they were 30 mins late.

For me, auto padding is the best but Id rather be able to add manual padding but still have auto padding if there isnt any end flag for the program by the time the manual padding finishes.

Interesting, although Five can't do SL properly, getting every single repeated episode, I have found that they do seem to start their progs on time, so haven't missed one (yet ). The wife would skin me alive if I missed recording her Neighbours. I say "if I missed", because it would be my fault

I agree with you & awo1949, that if padding was more flexible, and more "intelligent" it would be more useful, and I might be tempted to use it. So far, touch wood, AR has hardly let me down at all. But .... this is moving us to a slightly different topic that has been debated many times before

Rgds.


Les.

Not sure if this the correct thread, but I own both a Sky+ box and a Foxsat HD PVR. Both were set to record Saturday Kitchen (BBC 25th April) This program started early. Sky+ recorded despite change of time, Humax did not. I can only assume that the problem is with the box and not with the broadcaster.

Different epg and therefore presumably different series and accurate record source for the codes. Anyone know for certain ?

Welcome to the forum Frangloid.. It looks to me to be good thread ... I don't know the answer but Grahams response above sounds likely...

Graham I wonder if the point at which the schedule is shifted has any bearing ie can the sky epg cope with changes near to transmission time where the freesat one appears to need more than the T-15

How much earlier was the programme Frangloid?

NOT A CLUE