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Old 05-03-2009, 19:54
karl99r
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Hi All

I just upgraded my system and hoping someone can help please.

I HAD a sony TV, SOny DVD player, SOny DG700 surround sound and Sky+. My old Sony DVD player could output PCM and digital audio at the same time. I had it connected to my old TV with scart and digital to my surround sound with co axial and it was great. If the kids were in bed I just left the surround amp switched off and used the TV speakers. At other times, I just turned the amp on and turned the tv volume down.

Then my TV blew up so I treated myself.

I kept my Sony surround amp, but bought a Samsung 40" LCD TV and upscaling HD DVD player dvd-1080p8 and have ordered sky HD - but that isn't here yet.

Great I thought.

HDMI from DVD player to TV
Dig co ax from DVD to surround sound
HDMI from Sky HD box to TV
Dig fibre out from HD to sutrround amp

The Problem...

Well the TV audio is OK if I leave the Samsung DVD setup with PCM enabled as audio out - except that I dont get the digital output for my surround amp.

If I set the DVD audio out to bitstream, then I get an error on the TV saying HDMI audio not supported and (presumably as the TV cannot decode the digital) I get no sound from the TV speakers. Unsurprisingly, the Co ax input is active and I can get 5.1 sound if I turn the surround amp on.

I guess the questions are...

Can the DVD player really only output PCM OR digital but not both at the same time?

If I set the audio output to digital, is there any way of getting the audio back into the TV so I can use the TV speakers without turning on the surround amp. Presumably this would need a decoder between the HDMI out of the DVD player and the input to the TV.

Hope that's clear and thanks in advance for any help.
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:06
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If you do not have a setup option separate for HDMI and coax on your DVD, it outputs the same format on both. There might be one way how you can have sound on both. If you have analog L/R input on your TV that can be assigned to a particular A/V input, in your case HDMI, you could use that. My TV has this option so if I let's say connect my PC with my TV using DVI->HDMI cable, I have to connect audio separately and assign analog audio input to that HDMI input. Or you just have to switch the format on your DVD to the one you need. Also your surround system most likely has decoded analog output, you could use that, but you would have to have it turned on with volume set to minimum. But I think if you do not use both at the same time it might be not so bad just change the DVD setting to the one you want.
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:40
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Thanks for the reply. MY old Sony TV allowed this but I can't find it on the Samsung.

I had another thought.

Is there a converter to convert the HDMI output with it's digital audio to component and separate audio? I think from what I've read the component video supports 1080p on my tv and the audio plugs in next to it.

Any thoughts please?

Thx
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:51
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Don't you already have component output on your DVD player? Many with HDMI do have it. In that case you'd just use that, plus analog audio. I do not know how it is with 1080p and component, my blu ray player can't produce that on component output, only 1080i.
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:09
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No my player doesn't have compnent out - I guess they are made down to a price.

The video is excellent though and the upscaling is better than I have seen on other budget players.

Can't have it all I suppose!!

I have now found some converters which take HDMI and give component and PCM audio but they are quite expensive - presumably they have the necessary decoder for the audio built in.

All things I'd consider with my equipment choice next time around!!
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:43
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I would try one more thing. It probably won't bring anything, but it will cost you nothing. With some DVD players you can upgrade firmware. Look at manufacturer's website if it is so and if yes if they changed something about audio output formats. As for the decoder, you would actually need one that decodes audio to PCM and let video pass through unchanged. You would connect it to TV's HDMI input.
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