I just had a look at the article, and wondered why the D**** M*** felt it was appropriate to include a large photograph of said persona non grata?
Exactly. The Daily Mail complaining about the BBC mentioning Savile is a bit rich when they have run hundreds of huge pictures of him every day for weeks. Even many of the comments have pointed this out!
I'm glad radio 2 had the balls to air the show,not like the spineless BBC Four who dropped not only the savile episodes but the DLT TOTPs last week and are considering scraping the entire run due to all this savile rubbish
That would be a really bad move if they do stop showing TOTP on BBC Four. A few months back, they showed a Gary Glitter performance. Yes, he turned out to be a filthy paedo but, like it or not, he was a major player in the early 70s popscene and I think for that reason alone that they were right to air it.
Anyway, surely there are more than enough TOTP episodes without DLT or Savile presenting to keep on going with the current repeats?
That would be a really bad move if they do stop showing TOTP on BBC Four. A few months back, they showed a Gary Glitter performance. Yes, he turned out to be a filthy paedo but, like it or not, he was a major player in the early 70s popscene and I think for that reason alone that they were right to air it.
Anyway, surely there are more than enough TOTP episodes without DLT or Savile presenting to keep on going with the current repeats?
Is there a reason they shouldn't show any with DLT?
It would be one thing to have fresh interviews with him on chat shows (ignoring practical problems), let him protest his innocence, make new music shows etc, its quite another to pull an entire show or series just because he features in it briefly. Episodes of TOTP with him in are being pulled, every aging rocker who was looking forward to a small repeat fee is going to be disappointed because JS compered the show. Slightly different I know because it's alleged things went on there, unlike the documentary, but where do you draw the line? Cancel all NHS documentaries that mention Stoke Mandeville in case in brings back bad memories? Shelve all Olympics footage because it had Mandeville the Mascot?
As ftv points out, Hitler still gets plenty of airtime.
For me the criteria are does JS get royalty payments? (No, he is dead. His estate is not guilty). Is he snidily joking about being a sleazeball, unless it's to expose his duplicity ("What do you do in your caravan?" "Anyone I can"). Is he somehow addressing allegations, rubbishing victims? Can he be seen with a vitim or doing something inappropriate? Is he central to the show?
Thinking about it the last few are the most important.
It amazes me how far people will go in defending the BBC. I wonder what it WOULD take for some on here to admit the BBC makes mistakes just like every other broadcaster?
Some of the replies in this thread are staggering - accusing me of wanting to airbrush history when I specifically said I didn't believe in doing that in my original post? What I do want is a bit of sensitivity - totally different, and only on this forum would anyone be able to try and make my totally harmless and well-worded original post look bad. Some here are absolutely unbelievable.
It amazes me how far people will go in defending the BBC. I wonder what it WOULD take for some on here to admit the BBC makes mistakes just like every other broadcaster?
Some of the replies in this thread are staggering - accusing me of wanting to airbrush history when I specifically said I didn't believe in doing that in my original post? What I do want is a bit of sensitivity - totally different, and only on this forum would anyone be able to try and make my totally harmless and well-worded original post look bad. Some here are absolutely unbelievable.
"I don't want to airbrush history, but they should have airbrushed history"
Like it or not Savile was an important figure in radio and TV, to ignore him would have been more wrong than mentioning him. Eventually he will start appearing on TV and radio anyway, so why won't people just get over it?
Becasue they are very hypocrtical. The same reason they show many photos of woman bursting out of bikinis in the jungle show.
And the same reason the DMGT broadcasts pictures objectfying two women and one man on Text on 3 page 390 = Text on 4 page 682 pre-watershed. £££££ and everyday sexism.
I'd suggest that if you're that sensitive then this forum probably isn't the best place for you
Clearly. It looks like absolutely zero criticism of the BBC is allowed - although threads demanding resignations of ITV people and bashing other channels in general is apparently perfectly acceptable.
Of course people can criticise the BBC. But this example which involves about a minute of interview with JS in an old, two hour long radio documentary seems a bit petty, that's all.
Its not actually as though they had decided to show repeats of Jim'll Fix It. If they had, I'm sure people would be agreeing with you.
Clearly. It looks like absolutely zero criticism of the BBC is allowed - although threads demanding resignations of ITV people and bashing other channels in general is apparently perfectly acceptable.
Most other channels don't do the sort of programme we're talking about here. This was a very carefully crafted history of a major strand of broadcasting which must have taken months of work, and it couldn't really have told the story it was telling without some mention of Savile.
this example which involves about a minute of interview with JS in an old, two hour long radio documentary seems a bit petty, that's all.
Fair enough - my issue is that it's coming so soon after all the uproar. I just think they should have held it back for a while, out of respect for the victims. But I accept I hold a minority opinion.
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I am not sure if this is of any use, but the first series in on NetFlix
Exactly. The Daily Mail complaining about the BBC mentioning Savile is a bit rich when they have run hundreds of huge pictures of him every day for weeks. Even many of the comments have pointed this out!
That would be a really bad move if they do stop showing TOTP on BBC Four. A few months back, they showed a Gary Glitter performance. Yes, he turned out to be a filthy paedo but, like it or not, he was a major player in the early 70s popscene and I think for that reason alone that they were right to air it.
Anyway, surely there are more than enough TOTP episodes without DLT or Savile presenting to keep on going with the current repeats?
Agreed, it's ridiculous to bar all references to a dead abuser!
Hitler's mentioned all the time on radio and TV and always has been!
Is there a reason they shouldn't show any with DLT?
Because he was arrested for being accused of the heinous crime of jiggling a grown woman's boobs 35 years ago. Shocking stuff, I'm sure you'll agree.
There are a lot of significant figures in history some good ,some bad.But most people would rather forget the bad ones
Because the DM, effectively, encourage them to do so.
I would agree. If I was mental!
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
As ftv points out, Hitler still gets plenty of airtime.
For me the criteria are does JS get royalty payments? (No, he is dead. His estate is not guilty). Is he snidily joking about being a sleazeball, unless it's to expose his duplicity ("What do you do in your caravan?" "Anyone I can"). Is he somehow addressing allegations, rubbishing victims? Can he be seen with a vitim or doing something inappropriate? Is he central to the show?
Thinking about it the last few are the most important.
Some of the replies in this thread are staggering - accusing me of wanting to airbrush history when I specifically said I didn't believe in doing that in my original post? What I do want is a bit of sensitivity - totally different, and only on this forum would anyone be able to try and make my totally harmless and well-worded original post look bad. Some here are absolutely unbelievable.
Perhaps they could have a warning at the beginning of TV shows.
At least you would have the chance to turn over to watch something less harrowing.
Like it or not Savile was an important figure in radio and TV, to ignore him would have been more wrong than mentioning him. Eventually he will start appearing on TV and radio anyway, so why won't people just get over it?
Clearly. It looks like absolutely zero criticism of the BBC is allowed - although threads demanding resignations of ITV people and bashing other channels in general is apparently perfectly acceptable.
Of course people can criticise the BBC. But this example which involves about a minute of interview with JS in an old, two hour long radio documentary seems a bit petty, that's all.
Its not actually as though they had decided to show repeats of Jim'll Fix It. If they had, I'm sure people would be agreeing with you.
Most other channels don't do the sort of programme we're talking about here. This was a very carefully crafted history of a major strand of broadcasting which must have taken months of work, and it couldn't really have told the story it was telling without some mention of Savile.
Fair enough - my issue is that it's coming so soon after all the uproar. I just think they should have held it back for a while, out of respect for the victims. But I accept I hold a minority opinion.