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Unfair treatment of Clare Tomlinson

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    phil solophil solo Posts: 9,669
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    So this thread in the BROADCASTING section is all about a nondescript Sky Sports "presenter" who could not go on a jolly to the Med to watch a pointless football match, because some footballer with no brains gets regular bouts of Tourettes?

    Great. :rolleyes:

    A Tautology, surely? :D
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    Digi ManDigi Man Posts: 18,796
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    maccy wrote: »
    However I didn't see the incident so couldn't possibly comment :D
    Same here. The last couple of weeks I've had that much to catch up on, that I decided to fast forward all the talking and just watch the goals, so therefore totally missed the incident. Although I did notice the apology at the start of this past Sundays programme.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 160
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    A few years ago Steve Walsh, a former Leicetser City footballer, said the f-word live on-air after realising, err, he was live on-air!
    If I recall it was during the BBC East Midlands Today program.
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    Hibs-kid-2007Hibs-kid-2007 Posts: 7,954
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    Hang on so Clare Tom and Andy Burton get in trouble for things fair enough with Burton but the so called " irreplaceable" Keys and Andy Gray get let off with everything.

    For people that don't know Richard Keys presents Sky Sports Premier League coverage and he was found to have swore on TV although He didn't know he was on tv bad mouthing Scotland.

    Type in Richard Keys swears on YouTube and you will find it.
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    Hang on so Clare Tom and Andy Burton get in trouble for things fair enough with Burton but the so called " irreplaceable" Keys and Andy Gray get let off with everything.

    For people that don't know Richard Keys presents Sky Sports Premier League coverage and he was found to have swore on TV although He didn't know he was on tv bad mouthing Scotland.

    Type in Richard Keys swears on YouTube and you will find it.

    ''He didn't know he was on TV'':confused:first rule of broadcasting - if you're in a studio ALWAYS assume the mic is live, there are many ex-broadcasters around who can testify to that
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    SteveMartinSteveMartin Posts: 1,990
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    ftv wrote: »
    ''He didn't know he was on TV'':confused:first rule of broadcasting - if you're in a studio ALWAYS assume the mic is live, there are many ex-broadcasters around who can testify to that


    Yep. Ron Atkinson can definitely testify to that:)
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    LawrenceteroLawrencetero Posts: 3,765
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    If Charles Sale is right and she cancelled her trip to cyprus to see spurs over the bywater incident I think it is really poor. It's not her fault he mouthed off and to blame her is wrong. The producers who apparently stayed silent are at fault.


    this has to be the best thread i have read on here for ages!
    Clare can neither confirm nor deny that Bryan is a tireless midfield workhorse with an incredible engine

    sheer brilliance!

    did not see this but after reading this thread (mostly through tears of laughter) i wish i had.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,412
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    In some ways it is her fault as an interviewer is not just there to ask questions but to "handle" the guest. Clare Tomlinson should be as responsible for such incidents on her show as Chris Moyles would be for his breakfast show on Radio 1.

    That said I hope this isn't going to be the rope used to place a noose around her neck by those sexist elements who somehow think that women shouldn't be on TV much less presenting sports. I don't understand why Clare Tomlinson is singled out in this instance when Chris Kamara was also apparently present? If anything Chris Kamara should've been the one to be straight on Bywater's back as he has made the transition from professional footballer to being in front of the camera and has an understanding on the standards expected of both presenters and guests.

    I still don't understand why self-respecting broadcasters continue to do live transmissions without 10 second delays and killswitches to filter out such language.
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    SteveMartinSteveMartin Posts: 1,990
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    I can't see what all the fuss is about.

    You hear similar language at virtually every live match televised, and Sky do show quite a few.

    Do Sky make any apologies for the bad language broadcast on Super Sunday?
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    SiriusSirius Posts: 4,881
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    If someone swears live on air as a presenter you should know to apologise to viewers instantly.

    By the book, no fuss.

    When Mark Webber swore in his interview with Louise Goodman on ITV during the Japanese GP James Allen immediately apologised for the language used.
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    Jaydee409Jaydee409 Posts: 306
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    I think it's like on the radio phone-ins where the presenter is the "editor" and assumes responsibility on behalf of the station for what is broadcast. Hence they must take immediate steps to distance themselves from any breach of broadcasting rules. If they do not, then the station could well be up before the beaks. No wonder they take it seriously, but also it begs the previous poster's question; why not use a 7-second delay like the radio?
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    Fox MulderFox Mulder Posts: 985
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    Hang on so Clare Tom and Andy Burton get in trouble for things fair enough with Burton but the so called " irreplaceable" Keys and Andy Gray get let off with everything.

    For people that don't know Richard Keys presents Sky Sports Premier League coverage and he was found to have swore on TV although He didn't know he was on tv bad mouthing Scotland.

    Type in Richard Keys swears on YouTube and you will find it.

    richard keys is he the guy with more hair than a group of gorillas put together, if so then i pity his wife sleeping with him
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    horsepillshorsepills Posts: 512
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    Fox Mulder wrote: »
    richard keys is he the guy with more hair than a group of gorillas put together, if so then i pity his wife sleeping with him

    How nice. If brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow the kneecap off a flea. Generally, there is nothing wrong with having nothing worthwhile to say - unless you insist on saying it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 512
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    I thought it was supposed to be good professionalism to not be thrown by something unexpected and to carry on regardless.

    If an apology was required, the producer should have told them. Otherwise they should get on and do their jobs.
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    JudioJudio Posts: 11,815
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=487413&in_page_id=1951

    Clare Tomlinson, one of the most prominent women football broadcasters, has become the lastest casualty of the Stephen Bywater C-word incident on Sky Sports.

    Tomlinson, who was scheduled to present last night's England Under 21 match against Montenegro at Leicester, has been signed off work on medical grounds for an expected two months due to stress and depression.

    Sky Sports have made it clear that Tomlinson had not been sacked or disciplined for her part in the Bywater fiasco, but her illness follows the turmoil surrounding Sky's major inquest into the Goals on Sunday programme when the Derby goalkeeper's obscenity occurred.

    Tomlinson was hosting the Sunday review of the Premiership action with Chris Kamara when guest Bywater's C-word was allowed to pass without comment or any apology, one which was finally given to viewers the following week.

    The fall-out that ensued saw Tomlinson having to cancel a trip to watch Spurs in Cyprus to attend a meeting with head of sport Vic Wakeling.

    Afterwards, however, it seemed that the Goals on Sunday producer Nigel Dean, who has been switched to Football First, would be made the scapegoat.

    But Tomlinson's resulting health problems now make it doubtful whether she will return to her high-profile football role at Sky. Paul Boardman, son of comedian Stan, will temporarily be taking over Tomlinson's Goals on Sunday role.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,174
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    Something as small as that leads to something as big as this? Maybe her career's in ruins now.
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    red16vred16v Posts: 2,979
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    ftv wrote: »
    I didn't see it either so can't comment other than to say it looks from Wakeling's reaction as if his ire is directed at the way she did not react to the obscenities whereas the standard procedure for any presenter is to condemn them at once and apologise, suggesting a degree of inexperience.Sounds like one for OFCOM:sleep:

    Spot on.
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    david04121980david04121980 Posts: 2,593
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    Something as small as that leads to something as big as this? Maybe her career's in ruins now.

    or a move to setanta sports a poss?
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    Judio wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=487413&in_page_id=1951

    Clare Tomlinson, one of the most prominent women football broadcasters, has become the lastest casualty of the Stephen Bywater C-word incident on Sky Sports.

    Tomlinson, who was scheduled to present last night's England Under 21 match against Montenegro at Leicester, has been signed off work on medical grounds for an expected two months due to stress and depression.

    Sky Sports have made it clear that Tomlinson had not been sacked or disciplined for her part in the Bywater fiasco, but her illness follows the turmoil surrounding Sky's major inquest into the Goals on Sunday programme when the Derby goalkeeper's obscenity occurred.

    Tomlinson was hosting the Sunday review of the Premiership action with Chris Kamara when guest Bywater's C-word was allowed to pass without comment or any apology, one which was finally given to viewers the following week.

    The fall-out that ensued saw Tomlinson having to cancel a trip to watch Spurs in Cyprus to attend a meeting with head of sport Vic Wakeling.

    Afterwards, however, it seemed that the Goals on Sunday producer Nigel Dean, who has been switched to Football First, would be made the scapegoat.

    But Tomlinson's resulting health problems now make it doubtful whether she will return to her high-profile football role at Sky. Paul Boardman, son of comedian Stan, will temporarily be taking over Tomlinson's Goals on Sunday role.

    Where's the bit about Bywater being banned from appearing on Sky - other than in recorded form - which is the least one would expect from Sky management.I remember the BBC moved quickly to ban Ken Bates when he started spouting four-letter words on Radio Leeds,in fact I think he's still banned from appearing live.
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    COTTONHEATCOTTONHEAT Posts: 12,104
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    who do u think will get claire's role on there champion's league coverage
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3
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    Bottom line is Bywater made a mistake. Tomlinson, without her coaching badges, unlike Kamara, didn't jump on it. Let's face it, she's not the eye candy she was. Some people just turn away from the pretties overnight. This was a perfect opportunity for Wakelin and co to move on someone who wasn't as young as she was. Sad fact of life because Sky believes that's what we want, and have focus groups to support it. She may be great at her job, but when she looks in the mirror, she must know the game's almost up. Shame because I liked her, but I guess I'll be liking the next sort even more. She won't be signing on for a while yet I guess.
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    bhoy07bhoy07 Posts: 25,036
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    Bottom line is Bywater made a mistake. Tomlinson, without her coaching badges, unlike Kamara, didn't jump on it. Let's face it, she's not the eye candy she was. Some people just turn away from the pretties overnight. This was a perfect opportunity for Wakelin and co to move on someone who wasn't as young as she was. Sad fact of life because Sky believes that's what we want, and have focus groups to support it. She may be great at her job, but when she looks in the mirror, she must know the game's almost up. Shame because I liked her, but I guess I'll be liking the next sort even more. She won't be signing on for a while yet I guess.

    She was presenting sky sports news for a couple of hours last week if I remember right it was between 10-12 cant remember the day though
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,952
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    Let's face it, she's not the eye candy she was.

    She may be great at her job, but when she looks in the mirror, she must know the game's almost up.
    What an incredibly nasty first post from a new FM.

    Would you care to post a photo of yourself, superchelsea, so we can see what you look like?
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    The truth is often nasty.

    Most people prefer a pleasant lie, or political correctness as it's usually known.
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    trec123trec123 Posts: 4,419
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    Slightly off topic, but what happened to Rob McCaffrey?
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