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and incapacity benefit to be scrapped...
Or so says this report on the BBC News site today:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7516551.stm
So, is this just a gimmick to win around dissillusioned voters or is it a good idea?
Personally I think its a good idea. But that's just an idea.
How will it work? What happens if you don't turn up? Is it basically a way of getting cheap labour? If you are incapacitated, can you work? Is that fair?
I don't think its very workable in the real world to be honest and as usual a plan to target the "wasters" in society will probably penalise the genuine people out there who are really trying to find work and who really are incapacitated.
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Or so says this report on the BBC News site today:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7516551.stm
So, is this just a gimmick to win around dissillusioned voters or is it a good idea?
Personally I think its a good idea. But that's just an idea.
How will it work? What happens if you don't turn up? Is it basically a way of getting cheap labour? If you are incapacitated, can you work? Is that fair?
I don't think its very workable in the real world to be honest and as usual a plan to target the "wasters" in society will probably penalise the genuine people out there who are really trying to find work and who really are incapacitated.
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These in my opinion are the ones who need to be targetted. Perhaps it will be good for those who have no experiance in any field help to gain experiance this way?
May as well make them wear uniforms with "LOSER" written in capitals on the back while they do it.
I think some members of the public will confuse the people doing the work as offenders doing their community service following some crime or other. Imagine the insults... all for being unemployed. Hardly seems right.
Alan
That is what I thought too?
If the long term unemployed are going to be made to pick up litter and clean graffiti, then what are we going to have convicted criminals doing as their Community Service punishment, because it will have to be more demeaning than this to be a punishment?
Weird
And what about 'respect and compassion' for the millions of us who actually go out and work?. Why should we pay for those who 'cant be bothered' to work?.
OF COURSE there are many who are genuine and want to work, this scheme will target those long term claimants who clearly just want to live on benefits and scrounge off the back of you and I. Not genuine people.
Long overdue imo...
And I'm slightly confused about the other bit - if people are working full-time to earn their benefits, what's the difference between that and, you know, having a job? Why will they still count as unemployed? Or won't they?
The thing is in weeding out the bad apples, there are going to be genuine claimants who are penalised. See also comments about the community service. Being unemployed will have the same penalty as breaking the law.
People who have been signed off sick will have a new medical check with someone who is not their own GP.
so for someone who is sick and gets seen by a gp and not their own and that gp thinks your well and your own gp thinks otherwise i cannot see that working :rolleyes:
I think it's a good idea to have an impartial GP. I was listening to a programme a while ago where a doctor was saying he and a lot of GP's will sign a sick form for a patient they don't believe to be incapacitated as they don't want to jeapordise the ongoing relationship as their doctor or for fear of reprisals. A number of doctors said they had been threatened or attacked when they had refused to sign someone off as incapacitated.
So I think this way would be better for the genuinely ill, in that the doctor doesn't have to worry about them seeing them again and can be impartial.
If you have a medical for IB you have to go to a special centre where you are assessed by a doctor employed by the Benefits Service.
My son's on Incapacity Benefit, and due to his condition (OCD/Asperger's) gets very worried that he's going to be somehow forced to work full time. He might be capable of part time work, but definitely not full time. His benefit was assessed a few years back as being 'permanent' due to his condition at his assessment.
I really don't see how this assessment of people on IB is going to work, due to the enormous amount of people currently on it, whether for genuine illness or not.
Can people do voluntary work now and claim? I also think there should be a transitional period where people still get benefits, if they try to become self-employed or work part-time etc, so that they don't have a disincentive to take a risk.
Rubbish. I've been on incapacity benefit exactly 20 years with depression and nerves. I have good days and bad days. What employerts want me when I may be able to go some days and not others?
hopefully, itll make people get proper jobs, for proper money
this countries screwed... more working people leaving ,with even more unemployed coming in...
the balance is tipping, the countries gonna end up bankrupt... this is why the governments nailing our hats on, its gotta come from somewhere
get the unemployed employed
we're all capable of something, even answering the telephone? at home if necessary?
theres little reason not to work these days
If someones been out of work for years then the best way to get experince at a job is to do it for free for a while to prove you can do it and get paid for it, but you are not allowed to do that right now.
There are people out there who haven't worked for 20 years or more (my dad for one) who I think would be more than a little afraid of having to be independant - pay their own rent, council tax etc, when you are out of work you are not trusted to pay these yourself so they are paid direct to the landlord/council.
Ive been back at work for over a year but on a low income so been getting housing benifit and ctax benifit but as my husband has now got full time work we are about to loose both benifits, and while we are getting enough to pay them the thought that we are now going to have to rely on us remembering to pay them is more than a little scary - so much so ive gone a bit OTT with making sure its the first thing paid and fretting if i cant get to the PO to make the payments on a certain day:o
I know, when i was a student I got a summer job doing general ground maintainence and gardening for the council. I was bombarded with "get a proper job" and the like on a daily basis:(
But with doctors and government saying work is good for depression, you might find yourself up for assessment of your claim. Yes, I know you probably have good days and bad days, but if you're working serotonin kicks in and makes you feel better. Fact.
My son goes to the gym to keep active, as depression is part of his problem too and always says he feels better after exercise.
Well they should just leave us alone and concentrate on those who are claiming dole AND WORKING TOO.