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'Strictly' named 'world's most watched show'.

well2dowell2do Posts: 3,496
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Well here's one for those who've called it a waste of money and refered to it as mere, and long since unpopular, ballroom dancing :D

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/a135200/strictly-named-worlds-most-watched-show.html
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    mattwmattw Posts: 1,505
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    Surely big sporting events would top strictly.
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    comicsansserifcomicsansserif Posts: 3,870
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    Ah, so reading the article it's not "strictly" correct. It's the show format that's the most watched.

    I only saw somewhere just last week the the worlds most watched show is CSI: Miami. That's that particular show on it's own, not the CSI format altogether.
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    prkingprking Posts: 9,798
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    It's being reported elsewhere as the format which has been sold to the most countries and is therefore the most watched format, not the most watched programme. Possibly, DS have slightly misunderstood the original article.
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    sugapunksugapunk Posts: 1,040
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    Well the show relies on 'celebrities' as much as it does on 'unpopular' ballroom dancing.

    Without celebrities they had to modernise the dancing with Strictly Dance Fever.
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    This is something that a commercial network would be happy with, world-wide success is often (always?) achieved with moronic simple-minded fare that is nothing but light entertaiment tosh.

    Making programming (or coming up with formats) that is popular around the world is not the point of the BBC.

    It is not supposed to be a money-making exercise.
    It is supposed to be a public service that could not survive without government support.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,230
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    It is not supposed to be a money-making exercise.

    So what level would the licence fee be at were the BBC unable to make successful shows and sell them, or their formats, around the globe?
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    Wozza20Wozza20 Posts: 2,684
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    Vertigo93 wrote: »
    So what level would the licence fee be at were the BBC unable to make successful shows and sell them, or their formats, around the globe?

    So, now if the BBC is currently selling the most watched programme/format to so many huge broadcasters worldwide, will we see a reduction in the TVL or less than 50% repeats on the BBC.

    It remains to be seen...
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    iainiain Posts: 63,929
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    why would that be?

    Iain
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    Wozza20Wozza20 Posts: 2,684
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    iain wrote: »
    why would that be?

    Iain

    It stands to reason.

    The BBC seem to be looking to the commercial world a lot these days with the production of new material, and as they are receiving so much income for their programming, shouldn't we benefit from reduced licence fees or a higher level of new material with the extra income coming into the BBC.
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    Wozza20 wrote: »
    It stands to reason.

    The BBC seem to be looking to the commercial world a lot these days with the production of new material, and as they are receiving so much income for their programming, shouldn't we benefit from reduced licence fees or a higher level of new material with the extra income coming into the BBC.

    You do! In terms of broadcast hours, and diversity of services provided, the BBC provide more than they ever have.
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    iainiain Posts: 63,929
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    Wozza20 wrote: »
    It stands to reason.

    The BBC seem to be looking to the commercial world a lot these days with the production of new material, and as they are receiving so much income for their programming, shouldn't we benefit from reduced licence fees or a higher level of new material with the extra income coming into the BBC.

    well, if you rewind ten years and compare what we get from the licence fee now, compared with then...

    and then look at how much the licence fee has increased over and above inflation...

    and it seems pretty clear that when it comes to new material, we're doing pretty well as it is.

    Iain
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    Making programming (or coming up with formats) that is popular around the world is not the point of the BBC.

    It is not supposed to be a money-making exercise.
    It is supposed to be a public service that could not survive without government support.
    So did the BBC come up with a format that was designed to be a worldwide success from the outset, or did it just happen to prove popular?

    Or are you saying that as soon as a format is popular in other countries, the BBC should cast aside its investment (financial, time and creative) and drop it? A rather odd ised I would suggest.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    Wozza20 wrote: »
    So, now if the BBC is currently selling the most watched programme/format to so many huge broadcasters worldwide, will we see a reduction in the TVL or less than 50% repeats on the BBC.

    It remains to be seen...
    Or, quite reasonably, the money being returned is already being reinvested in programmes, giving us more for our money. Take away that return and there is a shortfall in income. The BBC would not be able to make the amount of programming that they currently do with less income.

    Yeah, too simplistic an explanation really.
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    Imogen MImogen M Posts: 4,337
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    Ah, so reading the article it's not "strictly" correct. It's the show format that's the most watched.

    The title of the article is extremely misleading, but I suppose the exact truth wouldn't make such a snappy headline. :rolleyes:
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    AmbassadorAmbassador Posts: 22,333
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    Ah, so reading the article it's not "strictly" correct. It's the show format that's the most watched.

    I only saw somewhere just last week the the worlds most watched show is CSI: Miami. That's that particular show on it's own, not the CSI format altogether.

    Indeed, the lycra and the sequins are no match for Sunglasses Caine

    Strictly Come Dancing Miami....that would work
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,271
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    well2do wrote: »
    Well here's one for those who've called it a waste of money and refered to it as mere, and long since unpopular, ballroom dancing :D

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/a135200/strictly-named-worlds-most-watched-show.html
    Bit of a stretch, surely more people worldwide watched Lewis Hamilton's last F1 race cliffhanger?

    or the Olympic opening ceremony?

    Perhaps this years 'world's most watched show'!
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    Toxteth O'GradyToxteth O'Grady Posts: 8,507
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    Wozza20 wrote: »
    So, now if the BBC is currently selling the most watched programme/format to so many huge broadcasters worldwide, will we see a reduction in the TVL or less than 50% repeats on the BBC.

    It remains to be seen...


    Of course not, it's always sold programmes and formats abroad. It's just another regular source of income.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,271
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    Of course not, it's always sold programmes and formats abroad. It's just another regular source of income.
    How much would that be exactly?

    And is that income for the BBC or the majority for the people who devised the format?
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    Toxteth O'GradyToxteth O'Grady Posts: 8,507
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    How much would that be exactly?

    No idea, but these days it would all come via BBC Worldwide along with all their profits
    And is that income for the BBC or the majority for the people who devised the format?

    If it's a BBC format devised by BBC staff, it would go to the BBC. It's a normal clause in staff contracts for any creative company that anything you create at work belongs to the company. SCD was created by BBC staff (and SCD was of course based on a programme that started in the 50's) so all rights would be the BBC's.

    There would be some exceptions though, I believe that the 2 creators of Top Gear get a cut of sales
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    well2dowell2do Posts: 3,496
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    Bit of a stretch, surely more people worldwide watched Lewis Hamilton's last F1 race cliffhanger?

    or the Olympic opening ceremony?

    Are they on every week then?
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    Wozza20Wozza20 Posts: 2,684
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    mikw wrote: »
    You do! In terms of broadcast hours, and diversity of services provided, the BBC provide more than they ever have.

    I'm not so sure we do.

    In 2007, the BBC had the worst repeat rate (52%) in their history across BBC1-BBC4. And they have stated that more repeats are likely.

    If they are selling something like SCD (now stated to be the most watched programme) and formats such as The Weakest Link, Top Gear etc, you would like to at least think the repeat rate would go down.
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    Wozza20Wozza20 Posts: 2,684
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    iain wrote: »
    well, if you rewind ten years and compare what we get from the licence fee now, compared with then...

    and then look at how much the licence fee has increased over and above inflation...

    and it seems pretty clear that when it comes to new material, we're doing pretty well as it is.

    Iain

    Rewind ten years, and you would definitely see less populist stuff filling the schedules.

    And you often bring up the fact that they had Dallas, Dynasty etc, but it was in the BBC's remit to bring programming to the UK that isn't on other channels.

    And back in the day, ITV and Ch4 did not have enough room in their schedules for all imports.
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    Wozza20Wozza20 Posts: 2,684
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    well2do wrote: »
    Are they on every week then?

    Is SCD?

    It's on every week for a run of around 15 weeks. I don't remember seeing it in the schedules from January to September.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    Pardon me, but, can we can safely say (as pointed out very early on) that the DS headline is incorrect, in that it should refer to format as opposed to show?
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    Wozza20Wozza20 Posts: 2,684
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    Of course not, it's always sold programmes and formats abroad. It's just another regular source of income.

    And it now must be one of the largest sources of income from overseas sales considering it is the most watched programme in the world.

    If this is the case, income at the BBC must be going up from other sources. But what do we get - higher repeat ratios and increased TVL's.

    Well done the BBC for devising a format that is in such demand, now let's see the benefits.
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