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Were did Team what the hell you call them go wrong this year
titfortat
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Big Brother had given them a free pass to the fooking final by putting Kris up. So were did it go wrong for the foursome of Marcus Freddie Siavash and Noirin.
Was it Bea?
Was it Siavash and Noirin?
Was it the wakett?
I need answers.
Was it Bea?
Was it Siavash and Noirin?
Was it the wakett?
I need answers.
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ahh yes :mad::mad: we would of had Lisa and Charlie up that week. What a shit task that was.
Marcus and Siavash, at different but overlapping times, went into a giant sulk, and for very similar reasons. They affronted all the other housemates by seeming to look at the game they loved and valued with contempt. Siavash stopped playing. Freddie was openly contemptuous. Marcus retreated to his quilt. Not one of them devoted two minutes of their valuable time trying to befriend the non-alligned group of Sophie, Rodrigo and Charlie. Charlie, who had openly announced that he would not stand by Lisa if she looked like the losing side, found that no one apart from her, Sophie and Rodrigo seemed to have much time for his fitful charm.
Bea crashed and burned. The boyfriends had no interest in Amigos or any other feature of the game and walked.
Freddie, Marcus and Siavash were left with no allies apart from their own weak loyalty and vague sympathy from Sophie (Siavash) and Charlie (Marcus).
They played a poor game. BB is not a straight popularity contest between players and the public, like, say, I'm a Celebrity. You have to build bridges with other housemates, and none of them bothered to try. If they had made even half an effort, I reckon both Lisa and David would have been out before tfw. Charlie, Rodrigo and Sophie would have been easy to woo: they just wanted to be treated with respect, and to see their game treated with respect.
By the time Noirin left she was more of a liability than an asset to Team What the Hell you Call Them. None of them wanted her in there. Siavash found it torture to be in the same room as her, and Marcus couldn't wait to see her go. She was the one person who couldn't help them. But with Siavash-Freddie-marcus-Bea they had the nucleus of a promising team. Even when Bea turned out to be mad, they could have done it without her. Sophie already loved Siavash. Charlie was keen to look cool with Marcus. Roddie just hated people breaking rules and deesrespecting BB.
It certainly beat the last couple of lacklustre offerings. I'd say that it's the best since BB7. It's just a shame that it has come too late to save the format.
But Noirin in some ways was the nuclar as when she went it caved in. Take the personal stuff out of it. Bea would of never stayed Loyal she would of jumped ship as soon as she was nomed. Noirin was a much stronger part of the team as she tried to get other on board she nomed the way that she was told in the few weeks they did work it out.
Even taking it back to when Angel (who was another of the 'individuals')was in there - in the second week she nominated Siavash and Cairon for slightly mystifying reasons. If she had nominated Lisa then as most people expected Lisa would have been up and out- how much different would the series have been then?
I should imagine that people would have been very irate if she had been. But luckily, nothing of the kind happened. There was ONE week out of 14 when a twist may have saved her. Plenty of other weeks for the others to work together and get the results they wanted. Only they didn't, did they?
Look what happened the week Marcus and Noirin finally voted for each other, for example
Thats what made all the difference imo.
Plus the non nominating towards the end didn't help either and a Sophie v Siavash eviction, as punishment that week, would have been interesting too.
I'm convinced the extra eviction in the final week was designed to get rid of the only individual HM remaining, ensuring a Team Lisa finale, but luckily the Housemates didn't play ball. Hence the reason why they were so anti-Siavash.
No no, that won't do. FREDDIE was the geeky pleb. Stop trying to invent ever ruder names (not just you, you understand. There have been far worse over the weeks).
None of that makes sense. Only one of the new housemates was a natural friend for Lisa: two of them were FAR more likely to gravitate towards people like Marcus and Freddie. Hira was anyone's guess. Can't see anything 'engineered' at all about the two evictions you mention.
And the final week eviction was surely destined only to get rid of lisa. It was inconceivable that there would be a Siavash/ Sophie vote off, and Lisa would have lost against anyone. Because of the complicated pattern of rule breaking and compliance, BB could have put more or less any combination of housemates up for the public vote. They chose to put all of them up, knowing that Lisa would go; but they could perfectly justifiably only have put the rule breakers up, saving Lisa and getting rid, presumably, of Charlie.
OK, you're right..bad choice of words on my part. What I meant is that people perceive it as Lisa getting a free ride to the final, just like the lovely Carole in a previous year, hence the frustration. But of course, you're right, it's nothing of the sort. Lisa and Carole before her, may be seen by the viewer as coasting but the other housemates clearly feel that others warrant nominating more.
They didn't help themselves at all - silly sds.
You hit the nail on the head, as always!
And that was the producers handing them a life line and and IMO giving them each a free ticket to the final... But they all bare Freddie tore it up and throw it away
I think that's the way I see it too. BB didn't want any 'Team Lisa' cruising through, so they threw Kris to the wolves to give the others a chance. Numerically, they should have taken over; and at the time, there was speculation that everyone associated with Lisa was now finished.
I think that is why I have always got so irritated by the endlessly repeated story that other housemates were got out by 'block voting' or even by 'cheating'. Freddie and marcus actually discussed tactics about 100 times more than Lisa and David ever did. There were endless times when we would see Freddie going on about "Lisa's game plan", then we would see Lisa and David sitting in bovine peace in the garden talking about when they might wash their socks. What The so-called 'Amigos' never once did is actually USE any tactics. Possibly they really didn't care. Marcus seemed suddenly galvanized two weeks before the final when he suddenly realized he was close to winning. Freddie presumably never saw the prize money as a life-changing event - just as more 'pocket money'. And Siavash just seemed broken for the whole second half of the series. Pity, though I was not a fan of any of them, as it made the forum such a bitter and resentful place, and I feel that Lisa took all kinds of shit on here that was nothing to do with what she was actually doing.
I was willing them to get together and team up to at least mount a fightback against Lisa and Team Dumb but it never happened.
I like it when there is a bigger house and separate bedrooms, it encourages teams cos they have their own "turf" in the house and we get to see them piss taking and plotting against the others.
That week Hira went, was the week Lisa should ... and would have gone.
It could have all been so different if Siavash had played the game straight
I agree with this - totally.:(