This was the only part of the plot which didn't seem right IMO. Even though Dave knew all along Nessa didn't love him I thought it was out of character to give up so easily, as he'd been so jealous before. Bit of a "Vicar of Dibley" moment in an otherwise excellent show.
I think it would have been better if rather than Smithy interrupt the ceremony that he had been in the congregation with his son and he and Nessa had exchanged several glances which Dave noticed and then stopped the vows.
I also get the feeling that they didn't spend as much time on series 3- a bit like the last series of Dinner Ladies and Victoria Wood.
Anyone agree?
I loved the scene when Stacey takes Gavin to her room and tells him that she's pregnant and her bag is emptied, full of pregnancy tests. "It's best to check"
John Prescott turning up at the wedding was also brilliant! And Noel from Hear Say being with Doris haha.
His rounds start at 5:00 and 14:30 minutes. It's in Welsh, so click on the owl symbol for English subtitles! Some G&S-related chat at the start of his second round.
It's the first time I've ever heard someone criticise the sun before
Nah, you could tell it wasn't the natural light of the sun. There were shadows everywhere! That episode (amongst others) was over-lit, most definately.
Am I the only person who feels really disappointed with this episode?
I loved this series, but I really didn't want it to end like this. There is definite sexual chemistry between Nessa and Smithy, but I just cannot believe they would make a good couple. I really don't think they love each other and I don't think they ever will.
I really think Dave loved Nessa, and I would have much preferred for her to fall in love in with him also. They could have all become friends and contributed to raising Neil the Baby between the 3 of them (after all, this is much more likely in real life).
I think leaving the fishing trip unresolved was pretty sloppy. it was such a major theme throughout the whole story that it cannot just be pushed aside. Are we meant to assume that Bryn and his nephew had an incestuos relationship, or was there another expanation?
G and S's pregnancy was pretty obvious, but at least that was a feel good factor. (And after many years of trying to conceive, I did LOADS of pregnancy tests to make sure, so that felt very real when she opened her bag! I remember my GP saying "how many tests did you do?" and "why?":D)
ETA I loved John Prescott - didn't know who Noel was
On the fishing trip issue - the only thing I can think of is Jason discovered Bryn having some fun using soup as a lubricant.
I don't think it was incest as suggested because Jason said in the final episode of series one that what happened 'isn't illegal', which was reiterated in Series 2 after Bryn tells Jason that Dave knows: 'it's perfectly legal in this country' - but in the UK incest is illegal.
The soup idea comes from the final episode of Series 2 - where the conversation between Dave and Bryn seems to revolve around the soup that Bryn was holding. Dave was definitely trying to make Bryn uncomfortable with his final comment 'enjoy your soup', and of course there was the whole dialogue before that.
Yes, I know. I've watched the DVD Box Sets too much now.
The Fishing Trip is their Elizabeth Mainwaring/Vera Peterson/Maris Crane bit.
More fun in not being revealed.
An exiquiste end to an exquiste series.
Nessa' line about there only being one Smiffy showed what has been obvious in this series - that she actually started to like him, or at least see he was a decent person.
The girls night in with Bryn.
John Prescott:D
Gavin being less concerned with the pregnancy than the fact "My balls work!!!"
The meat tray - "now I know that's 'sausage' ".
And many others.
I like the way the final scene indicated the Smiffy and Nessa had worked something out and were getting on well but not what this was. Were they a couple, or had Smiffy moved to Barry (he could in his trade), or was he commuting.
Good scope for an update in a couple of years time - and I don't think the writers will be pressured into doing it if they are not happy.
On the fishing trip issue - the only thing I can think of is Jason discovered Bryn having some fun using soup as a lubricant.
I don't think it was incest as suggested because Jason said in the final episode of series one that what happened 'isn't illegal', which was reiterated in Series 2 after Bryn tells Jason that Dave knows: 'it's perfectly legal in this country' - but in the UK incest is illegal.
The soup idea comes from the final episode of Series 2 - where the conversation between Dave and Bryn seems to revolve around the soup that Bryn was holding. Dave was definitely trying to make Bryn uncomfortable with his final comment 'enjoy your soup', and of course there was the whole dialogue before that.
Yes, I know. I've watched the DVD Box Sets too much now.
Personally i took this to mean that Jason caught Bryn sucking himself off.
Thats what i think the boating thing was all about.
I was a tad disappointed with the final scene too, but looking back on it, and thinking about it a bit, they're just suggesting that there is no dramatic tension between Nessa and Smithy anymore, rather than doing something dramatically drastic like killing one of the main characters off.
I think it would have been better if rather than Smithy interrupt the ceremony that he had been in the congregation with his son and he and Nessa had exchanged several glances which Dave noticed and then stopped the vows.
I also get the feeling that they didn't spend as much time on series 3- a bit like the last series of Dinner Ladies and Victoria Wood.
Anyone agree?
Am I the only person who feels really disappointed with this episode?
I loved this series, but I really didn't want it to end like this. There is definite sexual chemistry between Nessa and Smithy, but I just cannot believe they would make a good couple. I really don't think they love each other and I don't think they ever will.
I really think Dave loved Nessa, and I would have much preferred for her to fall in love in with him also. They could have all become friends and contributed to raising Neil the Baby between the 3 of them (after all, this is much more likely in real life).
I think leaving the fishing trip unresolved was pretty sloppy. it was such a major theme throughout the whole story that it cannot just be pushed aside. Are we meant to assume that Bryn and his nephew had an incestuos relationship, or was there another expanation?
G and S's pregnancy was pretty obvious, but at least that was a feel good factor. (And after many years of trying to conceive, I did LOADS of pregnancy tests to make sure, so that felt very real when she opened her bag! I remember my GP saying "how many tests did you do?" and "why?":D)
ETA I loved John Prescott - didn't know who Noel was
I don't think Nessa and Smithy were necessarily meant to end up together though. As you say, there's chemistry between them, but he didn't stop the wedding because he wanted to be with Nessa (at least I didn't see it that way). It was because he knew she was marrying Dave for the wrong reasons and he didn't want her to do that. I think the very last scene could be open to interpretation as to the status of their relationship.
I was glad that G & S managed to conceive - loved the scene with all the pregnancy tests! I had heard that there was a much sadder ending in store for them, so I was glad that that didn't happen.
I do wish we had found out what happened on the fishing trip though.
Also loved the scene where Nessa finally told Gwen how she felt about her. That was very touching.
I don't think Nessa and Smithy were necessarily meant to end up together though. As you say, there's chemistry between them, but he didn't stop the wedding because he wanted to be with Nessa (at least I didn't see it that way). It was because he knew she was marrying Dave for the wrong reasons and he didn't want her to do that. I think the very last scene could be open to interpretation as to the status of their relationship.
I was glad that G & S managed to conceive - loved the scene with all the pregnancy tests! I had heard that there was a much sadder ending in store for them, so I was glad that that didn't happen.
I do wish we had found out what happened on the fishing trip though.
Also loved the scene where Nessa finally told Gwen how she felt about her. That was very touching.
I agree completely - I don't think that last scene was meant to mean that Nessa and Smithy were "together" - just that they were friends and that there was no longer anything keeping them from being joint parents to Neil The Baby.
And I also agree about Nessa and Gwen - Am I alone in thinking that Gwen looked absolutely beautiful in that scene ? - she almost glowed.
I agree completely - I don't think that last scene was meant to mean that Nessa and Smithy were "together" - just that they were friends and that there was no longer anything keeping them from being joint parents to Neil The Baby.
Am I alone in thinking that Gwen looked absolutely beautiful in that scene ? - she almost glowed.
No your not, I was quite taken aback how lovely she looked in that seen, I have not really noticed she was pretty until then.
I only stared watching Gav and Stace a few months ago and after watching the whole 3 series I am really gutted its finished now, but its better than going stale like the Royle family
Just a thought ... Smithy was obviously jealous of the relationship between Dave Coaches and Neil, the baby. This started in the Christmas special: almost as soon as Smithy held Neil, the baby, he started crying, but stopped as soon as Dave Coaches held him. That really hurt Smithy.
Smithy did not want anyone to be the stepdad of his baby, he didn't consider the fact that Nessa might be happy with Dave, he just centered on ensuring Neil, the baby, didn't bond too closely with Dave Coaches.
Ah yes but did you expect a bag full of pregnacy test kits?
That was classic
as soon as she gave him the box the contents were a dead cert, the scene would have worked a lot better if she hadnt done the line about how much money and was he cross,
Just a thought ... Smithy was obviously jealous of the relationship between Dave Coaches and Neil, the baby. This started in the Christmas special: almost as soon as Smithy held Neil, the baby, he started crying, but stopped as soon as Dave Coaches held him. That really hurt Smithy.
Smithy did not want anyone to be the stepdad of his baby, he didn't consider the fact that Nessa might be happy with Dave, he just centered on ensuring Neil, the baby, didn't bond too closely with Dave Coaches.
This was more the way I saw it too. He wasn't prepared to offer Nessa any sort of security himself, but he didn't want anyone else to be there for her and the baby either. It just seemed selfish and unfortunately, he got his own way.
This was more the way I saw it too. He wasn't prepared to offer Nessa any sort of security himself, but he didn't want anyone else to be there for her and the baby either. It just seemed selfish and unfortunately, he got his own way.
But Nessa didn't really love Dave, so in a way Smithy was just saving her from marrying him. When Nessa insisted she did love Dave, Smithy was prepared to walk away, then of course Dave said he knew she didn't love him.
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I think it would have been better if rather than Smithy interrupt the ceremony that he had been in the congregation with his son and he and Nessa had exchanged several glances which Dave noticed and then stopped the vows.
I also get the feeling that they didn't spend as much time on series 3- a bit like the last series of Dinner Ladies and Victoria Wood.
Anyone agree?
We bought the dvds 1,2 Xmas Special and 3...OMG couldnt believe what I'd been missing out on...
I really hope they make another series or at least some more specials...
We walked the dog on Barry beach this afternoon...bag of chips in hand...giving it a bit of 'wots ocurring?...these chips r lush':o:D:o:D
You end up feeling genuine affection for the characters,dont you find?
John Prescott turning up at the wedding was also brilliant! And Noel from Hear Say being with Doris haha.
It's here for the next couple of weeks:
http://www.s4c.co.uk/clic/e_level2.shtml?programme_id=360550292
His rounds start at 5:00 and 14:30 minutes. It's in Welsh, so click on the owl symbol for English subtitles! Some G&S-related chat at the start of his second round.
It's such a shame that it's over
It's the first time I've ever heard someone criticise the sun before
Eh? It was 6 eps just like the first one, and the second series was only one ep longer, with a Xmas ep to follow.
Nah, you could tell it wasn't the natural light of the sun. There were shadows everywhere! That episode (amongst others) was over-lit, most definately.
I loved this series, but I really didn't want it to end like this. There is definite sexual chemistry between Nessa and Smithy, but I just cannot believe they would make a good couple. I really don't think they love each other and I don't think they ever will.
I really think Dave loved Nessa, and I would have much preferred for her to fall in love in with him also. They could have all become friends and contributed to raising Neil the Baby between the 3 of them (after all, this is much more likely in real life).
I think leaving the fishing trip unresolved was pretty sloppy. it was such a major theme throughout the whole story that it cannot just be pushed aside. Are we meant to assume that Bryn and his nephew had an incestuos relationship, or was there another expanation?
G and S's pregnancy was pretty obvious, but at least that was a feel good factor. (And after many years of trying to conceive, I did LOADS of pregnancy tests to make sure, so that felt very real when she opened her bag! I remember my GP saying "how many tests did you do?" and "why?":D)
ETA I loved John Prescott - didn't know who Noel was
I don't think it was incest as suggested because Jason said in the final episode of series one that what happened 'isn't illegal', which was reiterated in Series 2 after Bryn tells Jason that Dave knows: 'it's perfectly legal in this country' - but in the UK incest is illegal.
The soup idea comes from the final episode of Series 2 - where the conversation between Dave and Bryn seems to revolve around the soup that Bryn was holding. Dave was definitely trying to make Bryn uncomfortable with his final comment 'enjoy your soup', and of course there was the whole dialogue before that.
Yes, I know. I've watched the DVD Box Sets too much now.
More fun in not being revealed.
An exiquiste end to an exquiste series.
Nessa' line about there only being one Smiffy showed what has been obvious in this series - that she actually started to like him, or at least see he was a decent person.
The girls night in with Bryn.
John Prescott:D
Gavin being less concerned with the pregnancy than the fact "My balls work!!!"
The meat tray - "now I know that's 'sausage' ".
And many others.
I like the way the final scene indicated the Smiffy and Nessa had worked something out and were getting on well but not what this was. Were they a couple, or had Smiffy moved to Barry (he could in his trade), or was he commuting.
Good scope for an update in a couple of years time - and I don't think the writers will be pressured into doing it if they are not happy.
A gem of a programme and a fine finish.
Personally i took this to mean that Jason caught Bryn sucking himself off.
Thats what i think the boating thing was all about.
Yeh agree with both your points.
I don't think Nessa and Smithy were necessarily meant to end up together though. As you say, there's chemistry between them, but he didn't stop the wedding because he wanted to be with Nessa (at least I didn't see it that way). It was because he knew she was marrying Dave for the wrong reasons and he didn't want her to do that. I think the very last scene could be open to interpretation as to the status of their relationship.
I was glad that G & S managed to conceive - loved the scene with all the pregnancy tests! I had heard that there was a much sadder ending in store for them, so I was glad that that didn't happen.
I do wish we had found out what happened on the fishing trip though.
Also loved the scene where Nessa finally told Gwen how she felt about her. That was very touching.
AGREED - it's almost an after thought and they really couldnt decide on how to finish it!
Seemed really forced and un-natural!
Twas an OK series but I think we've seen the best of the characters and writing throughout the first 2 series!
I agree completely - I don't think that last scene was meant to mean that Nessa and Smithy were "together" - just that they were friends and that there was no longer anything keeping them from being joint parents to Neil The Baby.
And I also agree about Nessa and Gwen - Am I alone in thinking that Gwen looked absolutely beautiful in that scene ? - she almost glowed.
No your not, I was quite taken aback how lovely she looked in that seen, I have not really noticed she was pretty until then.
I only stared watching Gav and Stace a few months ago and after watching the whole 3 series I am really gutted its finished now, but its better than going stale like the Royle family
Smithy did not want anyone to be the stepdad of his baby, he didn't consider the fact that Nessa might be happy with Dave, he just centered on ensuring Neil, the baby, didn't bond too closely with Dave Coaches.
as soon as she gave him the box the contents were a dead cert, the scene would have worked a lot better if she hadnt done the line about how much money and was he cross,
This was more the way I saw it too. He wasn't prepared to offer Nessa any sort of security himself, but he didn't want anyone else to be there for her and the baby either. It just seemed selfish and unfortunately, he got his own way.
But Nessa didn't really love Dave, so in a way Smithy was just saving her from marrying him. When Nessa insisted she did love Dave, Smithy was prepared to walk away, then of course Dave said he knew she didn't love him.
Gosh - our problem must be a comedy then :rolleyes: