Ummm... I think my point went over your head. He mysteriously disappeard from America and rocked up on the island without any explanation. I'm looking for another one.
Hawkings calculated were the island was as seen in season 5, it's possible she passed the information on to Widmore, or Widmore got the information from her by other means.
What is your explanation for the lighthouse being destroyed?
It's strange really as Sayid went from a zombie-like killer in the temple, and letting Claire attack Kate, to being a hero and trying to save the rest of the Losties.
Was he just not infected long enough to turn completely emotionless? Did his conversation with Desmond "save" him? Was he never actually infected and it was all a big game of bluff?
I have a feeling that it will end up in the Altverse (after everyone dies in the mainverse) with the MiB still trapped not on the Island but in Anthony Coopers body.
That's an interesting thought.....or what if Locke in the alt really wanted to kill his father by crashing his plane.
It wouldn't surprise me if Lapidus comes strolling out the sea next week calm as a cucumber, [uniform intact and all!
I wonder if there is any significance in the fact that Flocke kept Jack's backpack at the end and walked off with it ... surely he doesn't need Jack's first aid kit ... or is there something more important in the backpack?
Snap!!! That's exactly what I thought.(US Pace)...I'd laugh if that actually happened.:D
Without his medical equipment Jack wouldn't be able to help treat a wounded Kate.....
It's strange really as Sayid went from a zombie-like killer in the temple, and letting Claire attack Kate, to being a hero and trying to save the rest of the Losties.
Was he just not infected long enough to turn completely emotionless? Did his conversation with Desmond "save" him? Was he never actually infected and it was all a big game of bluff?
I rekon that the talk with Desmond saved him. It was just like the jacob/richard chat where he asked what mib had promised him which was the same thing... to have their dead wife back. then richard and sayid were both saved and on team jacob
Ummm... I think my point went over your head. He mysteriously disappeard from America and rocked up on the island without any explanation. I'm looking for another one.
Another what?
Blemished needed a little reminder to what happened to Cooper. To which you reply "Locke's dad couldn't possibly have been brought to the island?"...which is why I replied that he had, in season 3.
Apologies if I did miss your point, but if you do have a point to make could you please make it in a way that rest of us know what youre on about?
Except Sayid had no encouter with MIB and the shipmates did. And Sayid didn't subsequently try and kill his friends.
Both the shipmates and Sayid were under MIB's influence - the shipmates were not MIB, thus not (seemingly) indestructable like MIB.
And Sayid didnt kill his friends, he killed who MIB instructed him to kill, Dogen and Lennon. He didnt what Sayid to kill his friends because, as seen in last night's episode he had other plans for them.
What is your explanation for the lighthouse being destroyed?
Jack being an arse.
But, yes, Jacob knew Jack had to let go of all his old baggage before he could do whatever he has to do. So he probably realised the lighthouse would suffer at the hands of a Jack tantrum. But the main goal was for Jack to let go and think about things, to get him ready for what's ahead.
Ummm... I think my point went over your head. He mysteriously disappeard from America and rocked up on the island without any explanation. I'm looking for another one.
Cooper himself gives an explanation - he says he was driving along and was in a crash and the paramedics gave him something and he woke up on the island . (The Brig)
there was at least 2 months between the 815 crash and Cooper being brought there so the Others had plenty of time to organise this .
Jacob and Smokie sat on the deserted beach staring out into the sea.
Smokie: you know, no matter how many times we play this game, we still end up here having the same conversation.
Jacob: Yeah, well you are the one insisting on playing it.
Smokie: we could always just go home, *looks up*, they must be going mad out there wondering where they are, what were up to.
Jacob: yeah we could...if thats what you really want.
Smokie: well perhaps just one more game.
Jacob: yeah, maybe just one more.
Smokie: This time i get to pick the candidates, you always get to pick them.
Jacob: I do not
Smokie: Yes you do
Jacob: Do not
Smokie: Do too
Jacob: Do n.............
*Large booming voice from the sky*: You boys stop arguing, or i'll come down there and wring both of your necks, dinners almost ready, what are you boys doing down there anyway?
Jacob/Smokie: NOTHING MOM!!!
Jacob: see that was your fault
Smokie: no it wasnt
Jacob: Was too
Smokie: Was not
Jabob: Was too
Camera pans out leaving both Smokie and Jacob wresting each other on the sand arguing about who's fault it was.
Where do i claim my £5 please.:D
Actually, i think the first few lines may well be the direction the writers choose to go down towards the last chapter.:D
I didn't thoroughly enjoy the episode. But part's of it were good. Though i was suprised i didn't feel very emotional watching Jin & Sun die. I felt the scene could of lasted longer and been abit more dramatic. Also Sayid deserved a better death.
Ha, I would love to see that! I'm in the thinking thou that good will out, and there will be a definitive end to the jacob/m.i.b. story. Do you think - with all the water references - that the Looking Glass could be used to trap him? It's still down there, and the wetter the better.. Plus when he got out the ocean he seemed to struggle a bit after all?
But, yes, Jacob knew Jack had to let go of all his old baggage before he could do whatever he has to do. So he probably realised the lighthouse would suffer at the hands of a Jack tantrum. But the main goal was for Jack to let go and think about things, to get him ready for what's ahead.
I don't recall Jack's attitude being any different after smashing the lighthouse... if anything he was more angry at everything than before. You sure it wasn't the actual smashing of the lighthouse that was important?
Except Sayid had no encouter with MIB and the shipmates did. And Sayid didn't subsequently try and kill his friends.
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Sayid did have an encounter in a way ... he made a deal ... maybe that's supposed to be when the sickness really set in with him.
Personally I think the shipmates really did have the sickness, it ended up making them turn on their friends and destroying them. I was never sure how much Doggen was right when he 'diagnosed' Sayid ... I wonder whether Sayid actually went along with what Doggen said as it gave him an advantage ... as Blemished says I wonder now whether Sayid was actually bluffing MiB, playing along with him and waiting for the right time to save his friends ....
It's a similar situation with Claire ... Doggen claimed she was very sick, then she was mad. In the last few episodes she seems have to come through all that, got some sanity back and seem's rational and fairly calm ....
I don't recall Jack's attitude being any different after smashing the lighthouse... if anything he was more angry at everything than before. You sure it wasn't the actual smashing of the lighthouse that was important?
I think it was both .... I agree that Jacob prob wanted the Lighthouse smashed up for some reason ....
And also it was a major turning point for Jack. After he calmed down he had that thinking session and then he began to talk about destiny and letting things happen etc ... he was then much more open to the whole Richard bomb thing which you could say was an important factor in saving Richard and getting him back on Jacob's side too ...
Talking of the lighthouse and Widmore ... what does everyone think Widmore is up to now? His locking the candidates up because he was trying to 'help them' I think he said could be interpreted a number of ways ... and he also has a list of the candidates which must have some significance ... is he another Illana?
I don't recall Jack's attitude being any different after smashing the lighthouse... if anything he was more angry at everything than before.
Jack's character is totally different to what it used to be. He is far more accepting now, he has faith. He doesnt need to fix things or take charge (which was just another way trying to fix things).
You sure it wasn't the actual smashing of the lighthouse that was important?
The two reasons Jacob wanted Jack and Hurley to go to the Lighthouse was:
1. To get them both away from the Temple.
2. To get Jack to realise how important he is. He had to find that out for himself.
Jack's character is totally different to what it used to be. He is far more accepting now, he has faith. He doesnt need to fix things or take charge (which was just another way trying to fix things).
Yeah but.... I don't think smashing a few mirrors caused that.
Kate irritated me the most in last night's episode. Would she really ignore an unconscious or possibly dead Sawyer on the beach to throw herself into Jack's arms? She didn't even ask about him. Is this triangle flipflopping again? :rolleyes:
Yeah but.... I don't think smashing a few mirrors caused that.
lol there's a lot more going on in that scene than Jack just smashing a few mirrors.
Jack has been going through changes for a good while now. The event at the lighthouse was the thing which made made him take stock of everything. He needed it to move forward (in a way that suits Jacob's plans anyway).
Kate irritated me the most in last night's episode. Would she really ignore an unconscious or possibly dead Sawyer on the beach to throw herself into Jack's arms? She didn't even ask about him. Is this triangle flipflopping again? :rolleyes:
Yes I think she would if she just heard her friend had died, I think the concious ones were lost in grief on the beach, Hurley sobbing broke my heart.
Real thoughts on the whole thing to follow later in the weekend - i am just n bits having watched that:(
lol there's a lot more going on in that scene than Jack just smashing a few mirrors.
Jack has been going through changes for a good while now. The event at the lighthouse was the thing which made made him take stock of everything. He needed it to move forward (in a way that suits Jacob's plans anyway).
Yes absolutely - it proved that his life off the island had been watched - that the big plan was to be brought to the island - he had no choice over that fact - it was always going to happen. Tends to concentrate the mind!
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Hope we see more of him next week.
Except Sayid had no encouter with MIB and the shipmates did. And Sayid didn't subsequently try and kill his friends.
What is your explanation for the lighthouse being destroyed?
Yes I was wondering where's Richard? I'm wondering if they will somehow meet up with Desmond.
Was he just not infected long enough to turn completely emotionless? Did his conversation with Desmond "save" him? Was he never actually infected and it was all a big game of bluff?
That's an interesting thought.....or what if Locke in the alt really wanted to kill his father by crashing his plane.
Snap!!! That's exactly what I thought.(US Pace)...I'd laugh if that actually happened.:D
Without his medical equipment Jack wouldn't be able to help treat a wounded Kate.....
I rekon that the talk with Desmond saved him. It was just like the jacob/richard chat where he asked what mib had promised him which was the same thing... to have their dead wife back. then richard and sayid were both saved and on team jacob
Another what?
Blemished needed a little reminder to what happened to Cooper. To which you reply "Locke's dad couldn't possibly have been brought to the island?"...which is why I replied that he had, in season 3.
Apologies if I did miss your point, but if you do have a point to make could you please make it in a way that rest of us know what youre on about?
Both the shipmates and Sayid were under MIB's influence - the shipmates were not MIB, thus not (seemingly) indestructable like MIB.
And Sayid didnt kill his friends, he killed who MIB instructed him to kill, Dogen and Lennon. He didnt what Sayid to kill his friends because, as seen in last night's episode he had other plans for them.
Jack being an arse.
But, yes, Jacob knew Jack had to let go of all his old baggage before he could do whatever he has to do. So he probably realised the lighthouse would suffer at the hands of a Jack tantrum. But the main goal was for Jack to let go and think about things, to get him ready for what's ahead.
Cooper himself gives an explanation - he says he was driving along and was in a crash and the paramedics gave him something and he woke up on the island . (The Brig)
there was at least 2 months between the 815 crash and Cooper being brought there so the Others had plenty of time to organise this .
The same way Desmond got to the island, drugged in the hospital by Widmore and taken there.
Smokie: you know, no matter how many times we play this game, we still end up here having the same conversation.
Jacob: Yeah, well you are the one insisting on playing it.
Smokie: we could always just go home, *looks up*, they must be going mad out there wondering where they are, what were up to.
Jacob: yeah we could...if thats what you really want.
Smokie: well perhaps just one more game.
Jacob: yeah, maybe just one more.
Smokie: This time i get to pick the candidates, you always get to pick them.
Jacob: I do not
Smokie: Yes you do
Jacob: Do not
Smokie: Do too
Jacob: Do n.............
*Large booming voice from the sky*: You boys stop arguing, or i'll come down there and wring both of your necks, dinners almost ready, what are you boys doing down there anyway?
Jacob/Smokie: NOTHING MOM!!!
Jacob: see that was your fault
Smokie: no it wasnt
Jacob: Was too
Smokie: Was not
Jabob: Was too
Camera pans out leaving both Smokie and Jacob wresting each other on the sand arguing about who's fault it was.
Actually, i think the first few lines may well be the direction the writers choose to go down towards the last chapter.:D
I don't recall Jack's attitude being any different after smashing the lighthouse... if anything he was more angry at everything than before. You sure it wasn't the actual smashing of the lighthouse that was important?
Sayid did have an encounter in a way ... he made a deal ... maybe that's supposed to be when the sickness really set in with him.
Personally I think the shipmates really did have the sickness, it ended up making them turn on their friends and destroying them. I was never sure how much Doggen was right when he 'diagnosed' Sayid ... I wonder whether Sayid actually went along with what Doggen said as it gave him an advantage ... as Blemished says I wonder now whether Sayid was actually bluffing MiB, playing along with him and waiting for the right time to save his friends ....
It's a similar situation with Claire ... Doggen claimed she was very sick, then she was mad. In the last few episodes she seems have to come through all that, got some sanity back and seem's rational and fairly calm ....
I think it was both .... I agree that Jacob prob wanted the Lighthouse smashed up for some reason ....
And also it was a major turning point for Jack. After he calmed down he had that thinking session and then he began to talk about destiny and letting things happen etc ... he was then much more open to the whole Richard bomb thing which you could say was an important factor in saving Richard and getting him back on Jacob's side too ...
Talking of the lighthouse and Widmore ... what does everyone think Widmore is up to now? His locking the candidates up because he was trying to 'help them' I think he said could be interpreted a number of ways ... and he also has a list of the candidates which must have some significance ... is he another Illana?
Jack's character is totally different to what it used to be. He is far more accepting now, he has faith. He doesnt need to fix things or take charge (which was just another way trying to fix things).
The two reasons Jacob wanted Jack and Hurley to go to the Lighthouse was:
1. To get them both away from the Temple.
2. To get Jack to realise how important he is. He had to find that out for himself.
Yeah but.... I don't think smashing a few mirrors caused that.
lol there's a lot more going on in that scene than Jack just smashing a few mirrors.
Jack has been going through changes for a good while now. The event at the lighthouse was the thing which made made him take stock of everything. He needed it to move forward (in a way that suits Jacob's plans anyway).
Yes I think she would if she just heard her friend had died, I think the concious ones were lost in grief on the beach, Hurley sobbing broke my heart.
Real thoughts on the whole thing to follow later in the weekend - i am just n bits having watched that:(
But she hadn't found out about Jin and Sun yet...
It's just odd how she's been ignoring Jack all season and now he's suddenly nifty.
Yes absolutely - it proved that his life off the island had been watched - that the big plan was to be brought to the island - he had no choice over that fact - it was always going to happen. Tends to concentrate the mind!