You are assuming we would still have the same benefits system as well as unlimited immigration. Perhaps that would have to change as a result. Things are never static.
Precisely, if a Libertarian Government was implemented, (other nations would have to follow suit) there is less likeliness that such a premise could be propagated.
So tell me, what percentage of the labour force are British, what percentage are EU immigrants and what percentage are non EU immigrants?
Immigration is not solely related to the workforce, so I'm not sure what your point is, but I would imagine the breakdown is probably something like:
90% British
5% EU immigrants
5% Non-EU immigrants (mainly US and Australian)
Of course, the reality is that nobody has any accurate figures related to the number of immigrants (in total, ie, including illegal immigrants) at work in the UK.
How about extending the concept & stop migration between different regions of the UK? The population distribution of the UK is quite uneven eg too many people flock to the London South East from other parts of the country.
Does anyone here think immigration should be uncapped?? I mean why not??
It's clear to me that a large amount of British people support unrestricted immgration, and a definite majority support lots of immigration outright, the tory plans of capping appear unpopular with most British people it appears.
Why can't we just live and where we want in the world dammit? We're all from the same race after all?
Tear down the borders and let humanity live together.
Our standard of living is greater here than a fair amount of other countries, because we have built up our society over a long period of time. Now if we completely had no controls to immigration we would have such large amounts of people coming from the arse end of the planet, our standards of living would decline greatly, though theirs would rise - for a while.
We also have to factor in resources such as water and electricity, how would the NHS cope? How would law and order be maintained? What about the benefit system, could we afford this under uncontrolled immigration?
What about jobs in this country, having a large amount of potential workers means employers can be more selective but also - due to competition for jobs - employees would have to accept what they can get, which may mean jobs aren't as well paid, after all we would have enough desperate people to take them.
What about the detriment to other countries, lets say all their motivated and ambitious people left a third world country to come here, their country would be stuck in terminal decline and their would be little incentive to make it better and lose the talent to make it happen.
It is much better to help raise the standards in other countries to help them achieve success than opening the doors to everyone who wants to come. When every country in the world is at the same level of affluence and success, then we can revisit this, right now it would only hurt our country.
Why does nobody ever come up with a scheme to encourage millions of British people to emigrate to African or Asian nations in an effort to improve their multi-cultural status?
It seems a little unfair that it's mainly the West that gets all the benefits.
Because we only have limited resources. Unlimited immigration would lead to slums, ghettos, overcrowded cities like something out of Blade Runner.
We'd have rationing, energy would be extortionate, and the country would become an urbanised, polluted hellhole.
That, and the Aryan race would forever be polluted
Our standard of living is greater here than a fair amount of other countries, because we have built up our society over a long period of time. Now if we completely had no controls to immigration we would have such large amounts of people coming from the arse end of the planet, our standards of living would decline greatly, though theirs would rise - for a while.
We also have to factor in resources such as water and electricity, how would the NHS cope? How would law and order be maintained? What about the benefit system, could we afford this under uncontrolled immigration?
What about jobs in this country, having a large amount of potential workers means employers can be more selective but also - due to competition for jobs - employees would have to accept what they can get, which may mean jobs aren't as well paid, after all we would have enough desperate people to take them.
What about the detriment to other countries, lets say all their motivated and ambitious people left a third world country to come here, their country would be stuck in terminal decline and their would be little incentive to make it better and lose the talent to make it happen.
It is much better to help raise the standards in other countries to help them achieve success than opening the doors to everyone who wants to come. When every country in the world is at the same level of affluence and success, then we can revisit this, right now it would only hurt our country.
I agree with this. While the OP is ideological and it sounds nice to be able to move, work and live anywhere in the world freely without restriction it really wouldn't work.
I have to pull out a big disagreement though, I don't think the UK would suffer the most (or even close), its the USA that would suffer the most. Everyone would not flood here but to America and we aren't just talking those from the 3rd world but from everywhere.
As jorrai said, until we are all on the same playing field it wouldn't work.
At the moment within Europe on the whole people tend to stay within their birth nation, a large number of people move around between all the countries.
So open borders within Europe work, this is because we have more or less the same standards of living, services, laws and resources.
On another tolken:
If the likes of Canada, the USA, Japan, Australia and Europe opened their borders the impact would be significant but not massive (I mean it wouldn't be too far removed from how movement is within Europe).
Many would move between these countries but as the examples are all developed countries with good standards of living, services etc those moving around would be doing so more to an interest in that particular country or for a specific job rather than to reap the benefits of the benefits system or an easy ride etc.
But if you were to then open under developed countries into it, chaos then ensues as millions of people migrate away from a poor standard of living to find a good standard of living (or a percieved ideology - i.e. America).
Why does nobody ever come up with a scheme to encourage millions of British people to emigrate to African or Asian nations in an effort to improve their multi-cultural status?
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I suggest all the British folks who want a multicultural society should go abroad and live in these cultures rather than import them over here.
I suggest all the British folks who want a multicultural society should go abroad and live in these cultures rather than import them over here.
Then everybody's happy.:)
The funny thing is, if you have any objection to immigration you're a racist yet if you suggest mass emigration to other cultures/nations you're accused of risking ruining their culture.
As I say, it seems highly unfair that London reaps the benefits of a highly diverse cultural mix whilst, for example, Khartoum remains almost entirely an entirely non-white demographic.
Does anyone here think immigration should be uncapped?? I mean why not??
It's clear to me that a large amount of British people support unrestricted immgration, and a definite majority support lots of immigration outright, the tory plans of capping appear unpopular with most British people it appears.
Why can't we just live and where we want in the world dammit? We're all from the same race after all?
Tear down the borders and let humanity live together.
Not that I want to stereotype or anything, but would you happen to be a 6th form student with deluded socialist leanings and a penchant for wearing stylised images of terrorists on your t-shirts?
I'm just trying to help deliver peace to the world.:rolleyes:
I think it's more of a case of 'peace off' dear boy.
Gnobe old chap, you really haven't got the hang of this trolling lark have you?
Declaring Obama to be the greatest human being that ever lived (tm) as you did on another thread sort of gave the game away as for your true intentions imo!
Hmm can't always see it myself whether world peace can be achieved with a one world government, that it's going to happen in our lifetime I'm not sure of.
If Britain became so overcrowded with no jobs, a collapsed NHS, not enough money to pay benefits, no manufacturing, not enough room so we all started falling off the edges - why on earth would anybody want to come and live here anyway?
A lot of it about perception and even if nobody was allowed to migrate into the UK from midnight tonight people would still believe that the majority of jobs in this country have been taken off British workers by immigrants.
It isn't so much the jobs I am worried about it's the benefits these people receive.
Why does nobody ever come up with a scheme to encourage millions of British people to emigrate to African or Asian nations in an effort to improve their multi-cultural status?
It seems a little unfair that it's mainly the West that gets all the benefits.
Totally unfair, lets start exporting as soon as possible. We can even set up a fund to send people out to part of Africa for people live a local lifestyle so they can help increase those countries multi-cultural status. I wonder if there would be many takers?
Does anyone here think immigration should be uncapped?? I mean why not??
It's clear to me that a large amount of British people support unrestricted immgration, and a definite majority support lots of immigration outright, the tory plans of capping appear unpopular with most British people it appears.
Why can't we just live and where we want in the world dammit? We're all from the same race after all?
Tear down the borders and let humanity live together.
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Precisely, if a Libertarian Government was implemented, (other nations would have to follow suit) there is less likeliness that such a premise could be propagated.
Immigration is not solely related to the workforce, so I'm not sure what your point is, but I would imagine the breakdown is probably something like:
90% British
5% EU immigrants
5% Non-EU immigrants (mainly US and Australian)
Of course, the reality is that nobody has any accurate figures related to the number of immigrants (in total, ie, including illegal immigrants) at work in the UK.
Our standard of living is greater here than a fair amount of other countries, because we have built up our society over a long period of time. Now if we completely had no controls to immigration we would have such large amounts of people coming from the arse end of the planet, our standards of living would decline greatly, though theirs would rise - for a while.
We also have to factor in resources such as water and electricity, how would the NHS cope? How would law and order be maintained? What about the benefit system, could we afford this under uncontrolled immigration?
What about jobs in this country, having a large amount of potential workers means employers can be more selective but also - due to competition for jobs - employees would have to accept what they can get, which may mean jobs aren't as well paid, after all we would have enough desperate people to take them.
What about the detriment to other countries, lets say all their motivated and ambitious people left a third world country to come here, their country would be stuck in terminal decline and their would be little incentive to make it better and lose the talent to make it happen.
It is much better to help raise the standards in other countries to help them achieve success than opening the doors to everyone who wants to come. When every country in the world is at the same level of affluence and success, then we can revisit this, right now it would only hurt our country.
It seems a little unfair that it's mainly the West that gets all the benefits.
We'd have rationing, energy would be extortionate, and the country would become an urbanised, polluted hellhole.
That, and the Aryan race would forever be polluted
I agree with this. While the OP is ideological and it sounds nice to be able to move, work and live anywhere in the world freely without restriction it really wouldn't work.
I have to pull out a big disagreement though, I don't think the UK would suffer the most (or even close), its the USA that would suffer the most. Everyone would not flood here but to America and we aren't just talking those from the 3rd world but from everywhere.
As jorrai said, until we are all on the same playing field it wouldn't work.
At the moment within Europe on the whole people tend to stay within their birth nation, a large number of people move around between all the countries.
So open borders within Europe work, this is because we have more or less the same standards of living, services, laws and resources.
On another tolken:
If the likes of Canada, the USA, Japan, Australia and Europe opened their borders the impact would be significant but not massive (I mean it wouldn't be too far removed from how movement is within Europe).
Many would move between these countries but as the examples are all developed countries with good standards of living, services etc those moving around would be doing so more to an interest in that particular country or for a specific job rather than to reap the benefits of the benefits system or an easy ride etc.
But if you were to then open under developed countries into it, chaos then ensues as millions of people migrate away from a poor standard of living to find a good standard of living (or a percieved ideology - i.e. America).
I suggest all the British folks who want a multicultural society should go abroad and live in these cultures rather than import them over here.
Then everybody's happy.:)
The funny thing is, if you have any objection to immigration you're a racist yet if you suggest mass emigration to other cultures/nations you're accused of risking ruining their culture.
As I say, it seems highly unfair that London reaps the benefits of a highly diverse cultural mix whilst, for example, Khartoum remains almost entirely an entirely non-white demographic.
You may say that I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one
who likes to Imagine that the great John Lennon never wrote this bilge.
I think you should keep on taking the tablets.;):D
Not that I want to stereotype or anything, but would you happen to be a 6th form student with deluded socialist leanings and a penchant for wearing stylised images of terrorists on your t-shirts?
I think it's more of a case of 'peace off' dear boy.
Gnobe old chap, you really haven't got the hang of this trolling lark have you?
Declaring Obama to be the greatest human being that ever lived (tm) as you did on another thread sort of gave the game away as for your true intentions imo!
Be more subtle in future.
Sod that for a game of soldiers
It isn't so much the jobs I am worried about it's the benefits these people receive.
Totally unfair, lets start exporting as soon as possible. We can even set up a fund to send people out to part of Africa for people live a local lifestyle so they can help increase those countries multi-cultural status. I wonder if there would be many takers?
Wouldn't such immigration contaminate the purity of the Aryan race?
I agree - it amazes me beyond belief how much money we give out as a country to people who move here having never paid into our system.
Do you have an issue with the 'Aryan race' as you put it?
I think either I'm missing your irony, or you're missing my joke.
One good reason....
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/health/health/3090188/The-germinator-Invincible-superbugs-from-India-invade-UK.html