Darwin is based on Linux, which is an open source Unix clone, and was originally developed by Linus Torvalds in 1991 and released under the GNU Public License. See link here.
Darwin 1.15 is based on Linux-2.6.18.8 and all the changes made by NDS/Sky have been release as required by the GPL and can be downloaded from the link above.
Don't torrents grab bits from all over the file, so until the file is 100% downloaded it's not usable?
And doesn't Anytime+ allow you to start watching once the download has started?
If so, I can't see how torrents can be used for this??
You are right. It will not be be torrent based. As seems to be becoming the norm on here, a bit of speculation in one post has attracted the ranters and ravers.
In fact NDS has developed its own progressive download technology. See here if you are interested in the technical aspects.
Why the rush? You won't be able to use it until sky activate it anyway. I can't explain how the software is sent out as I have it on my samsung pvr4 but not on my amstrad pvr5. To answer the post of when it will be available for forced download, well that won't happen for quite a while. When new software is sent down overnight, sky will wait to see if there are any major issues on a mass level before adding it to the download stream.
Why the rush? You won't be able to use it until sky activate it anyway. I can't explain how the software is sent out as I have it on my samsung pvr4 but not on my amstrad pvr5. To answer the post of when it will be available for forced download, well that won't happen for quite a while. When new software is sent down overnight, sky will wait to see if there are any major issues on a mass level before adding it to the download stream.
I'm officially one of those can't wait for anything people who can't stand the fact that some have got something I haven't.
At the first hint of Anytime+ data settings update a couple of months ago, I had a LAN cable out and connected in minutes. It's been sitting there for months now and it's annoying me.
Do I have to leave the box plugged in to get the update?
To the power and to the dish, yes! Or it has no way of getting to you. You can switch it to standby though as it is still active and will spring to life and download the update when they decide to send it.
I would imagine that if you always leave it off, when you do turn it on in a couple of months when the download is on the forced download stream, it will do it then or when you decide to do a forced update.
No. It makes far more sense to roll the software out to their own timetable. Forced download remains a safety net - a way to provide users with a way to back out the change if it causes them problems.
Im talking about being able to use anytime+ to download tv and movies for those who have got the update already, that way they can see how it handles as more people use it, seems better than everyone knowing at the same time when all the boxes are updated and sky advertise it on the telly, though i suspect they're ready for it anyway.
Darwin is based on Linux, which is an open source Unix clone, and was originally developed by Linus Torvalds in 1991 and released under the GNU Public License. See link here.
Darwin 1.15 is based on Linux-2.6.18.8 and all the changes made by NDS/Sky have been release as required by the GPL and can be downloaded from the link above.
I'm not sure about the implementation that Sky uses but Mac OSX's Darwin is based on FreeBSD NOT Linux.
Im talking about being able to use anytime+ to download tv and movies for those who have got the update already, that way they can see how it handles as more people use it, seems better than everyone knowing at the same time when all the boxes are updated and sky advertise it on the telly, though i suspect they're ready for it anyway.
You won't be able to download any programmes even if you have the update until sky switch you on I'm afraid. But in my opinion it's worth the wait even if there's no hd content at the moment.
We have not had the update yet on either our Pace 3004 or Samsung.
Not that I care as there is no Sky BB here in North Wales so it will not be able to get Anytime + anyhow.
To answer a question earlier - why can Sky not enable aspect switching over 1080 i.
It is their choice not to. They can and indeed once did do so.
Early adopters will tell you that for three months after launch aspect ratio changed over 1080i (or certainly did on our Panasonic TV) but Sky disabled that function with their first major software update in summer 2006.
So it was clearly done on purpose for a reason by Sky.
Maybe the poster of that question earlier should ask Sky why they did this and if they cannot offer it as a choice.
I thought our Pace box had died first thing last Friday morning when it wouldn't turn on. I didn't have time to do anything with it until I got home from work, but nothing would wake it up apart from a forced download.
Presumably that "failure" was caused by a problem with the update.
As such, I think I've missed the boat this time around - something which may not necessarily be a bad thing in this case... But does anyone know what happens with regards to re-scheduling the update if it fails the first time around?
I thought our Pace box had died first thing last Friday morning when it wouldn't turn on. I didn't have time to do anything with it until I got home from work, but nothing would wake it up apart from a forced download.
Presumably that "failure" was caused by a problem with the update.
As such, I think I've missed the boat this time around - something which may not necessarily be a bad thing in this case... But does anyone know what happens with regards to re-scheduling the update if it fails the first time around?
same thing happened to my Amstrad PVR5 Last Wekk Wouldn't come out of Stand by so rebooted it everything was fine after that so i wonder if i have missed the boat also this time around.
I thought our Pace box had died first thing last Friday morning when it wouldn't turn on. I didn't have time to do anything with it until I got home from work, but nothing would wake it up apart from a forced download.
Presumably that "failure" was caused by a problem with the update.
As such, I think I've missed the boat this time around - something which may not necessarily be a bad thing in this case... But does anyone know what happens with regards to re-scheduling the update if it fails the first time around?
My Pace box did itd own reboot and software download this evening (yes this evening) and since then, for several hours, has continually gone into standby each time I have tried to access the Planner to see my recordings.
So I did a standby-power down-power up cycle and now, it won't come out of standby for more than a few seconds before going standby again. I'm assuming it's a Sky cack-up with the software download. Will now try a forced software download and hope that will fix it. GRRRR!!!!
EDIT
Nope, forced s/w download didn't work. Pressing the green Planner button from TV Guide sends the Pace Sky+HD immediately into what looks like a reboot (it's 50+ seconds before it will respond to any button or keypress). I can view any channel and even start and stop a new recording but cannot view the Planner to see if there's anything left in there.
What are they doing sending updates during the evening? I thought they did them at about 3am ish so that most people would be in bed and it not interrupt anything.
My problem might not have been the s/w update, it may have just been the first time I tried to access the Planner after a s/w d/l last night. Or it may be an unrelated problem with the box.
By the way, planner rebuild has made no difference either.
d'@ve... We have had problems with our Pace box since the upgrade. I am starting a new thread on the off-chance that Sky might notice if it's a wide-spread problem rather than bury it here.
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And doesn't Anytime+ allow you to start watching once the download has started?
If so, I can't see how torrents can be used for this??
Darwin OS is BSD based, not linux based.
You are right. It will not be be torrent based. As seems to be becoming the norm on here, a bit of speculation in one post has attracted the ranters and ravers.
In fact NDS has developed its own progressive download technology. See here if you are interested in the technical aspects.
Still use a Linux kernel though.
From the Open Source Licences page here:
"The following software components are licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2, a copy of which is reproduced below:
Linux Kernel
Copyright © 1991-2007 Linus Torvalds and other contributors."
Why the rush? You won't be able to use it until sky activate it anyway. I can't explain how the software is sent out as I have it on my samsung pvr4 but not on my amstrad pvr5. To answer the post of when it will be available for forced download, well that won't happen for quite a while. When new software is sent down overnight, sky will wait to see if there are any major issues on a mass level before adding it to the download stream.
It isn't Darwin (as in Apple's baby) that is being used here, though.
your not alone mate my Amstrad PVR5 has no update either.
That will do me! So tonight it is then!
Or else!
I'm officially one of those can't wait for anything people who can't stand the fact that some have got something I haven't.
At the first hint of Anytime+ data settings update a couple of months ago, I had a LAN cable out and connected in minutes. It's been sitting there for months now and it's annoying me.
And relax........
To the power and to the dish, yes! Or it has no way of getting to you. You can switch it to standby though as it is still active and will spring to life and download the update when they decide to send it.
I would imagine that if you always leave it off, when you do turn it on in a couple of months when the download is on the forced download stream, it will do it then or when you decide to do a forced update.
I bet Sky would argue that that isn't a fault, that's a design concept!
Im talking about being able to use anytime+ to download tv and movies for those who have got the update already, that way they can see how it handles as more people use it, seems better than everyone knowing at the same time when all the boxes are updated and sky advertise it on the telly, though i suspect they're ready for it anyway.
I'm not sure about the implementation that Sky uses but Mac OSX's Darwin is based on FreeBSD NOT Linux.
You won't be able to download any programmes even if you have the update until sky switch you on I'm afraid. But in my opinion it's worth the wait even if there's no hd content at the moment.
Not that I care as there is no Sky BB here in North Wales so it will not be able to get Anytime + anyhow.
To answer a question earlier - why can Sky not enable aspect switching over 1080 i.
It is their choice not to. They can and indeed once did do so.
Early adopters will tell you that for three months after launch aspect ratio changed over 1080i (or certainly did on our Panasonic TV) but Sky disabled that function with their first major software update in summer 2006.
So it was clearly done on purpose for a reason by Sky.
Maybe the poster of that question earlier should ask Sky why they did this and if they cannot offer it as a choice.
Presumably that "failure" was caused by a problem with the update.
As such, I think I've missed the boat this time around - something which may not necessarily be a bad thing in this case... But does anyone know what happens with regards to re-scheduling the update if it fails the first time around?
My Pace box did itd own reboot and software download this evening (yes this evening) and since then, for several hours, has continually gone into standby each time I have tried to access the Planner to see my recordings.
So I did a standby-power down-power up cycle and now, it won't come out of standby for more than a few seconds before going standby again. I'm assuming it's a Sky cack-up with the software download. Will now try a forced software download and hope that will fix it. GRRRR!!!!
EDIT
Nope, forced s/w download didn't work. Pressing the green Planner button from TV Guide sends the Pace Sky+HD immediately into what looks like a reboot (it's 50+ seconds before it will respond to any button or keypress). I can view any channel and even start and stop a new recording but cannot view the Planner to see if there's anything left in there.
Any ideas, guys?
By the way, planner rebuild has made no difference either.