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JethroUKJethroUK Posts: 6,107
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Grates with me when people impersonating yarkshire slang just throw in few (( 't )))s instead of word "the"

Spent my childhood talking Yorkshire slang, they/we dont say the word "the" *at all* - it just doesn't exist in Yorkshire slang

When they/we say ( t' ), it replaces "to" (not 'the')

e.g.

"Will you wash the car?" = "Will you wash car?" (see! no 'the' and no t')

"I'm going to the shop" = "I'm going t' shop" (t' replaces 'to' not 'the' - we just dont say 'the' at all)


Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,106
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    Isn't it strange when the way you speak is so drastically different from the way you write?
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    tysonstormtysonstorm Posts: 24,609
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    JethroUK wrote: »
    Grates with me when people impersonating yarkshire slang

    Yarkshire? A deliberate slip of the tongue there? :D
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    HarryValleyHarryValley Posts: 16,433
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    Damn, ave been doin it wrong all this time!
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    butterworthbutterworth Posts: 17,884
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    JethroUK wrote: »
    Grates with me when people impersonating yarkshire slang just throw in few (( 't )))s instead of word "the"

    Spent my childhood talking Yorkshire slang, they/we dont say the word "the" *at all* - it just doesn't exist in Yorkshire slang

    When they/we say ( t' ), it replaces "to" (not 'the')

    e.g.

    "Will you wash the car?" = "Will you wash car?" (see! no 'the' and no t')

    "I'm going to the shop" = "I'm going t' shop" (t' replaces 'to' not 'the' - we just dont say 'the' at all)


    Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

    I know what you're saying.

    The main problem, I see, is that people try to pronounce 't'' as a word on its own, whereas it really just tags onto the word before.

    e.g 'I'm going down t'shops' is pronounced 'I'm going downt shops', not 'I'm going down tuh shops'.
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    SentenzaSentenza Posts: 12,114
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    Luxury , when I were a lad we could not afford t so we had to grind up mud for a brew.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 68,508
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    So "Fifteen of us in t'shoe box in t'middle of t'road" doesn't work? :(
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,146
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    OP i think it depends which part of "Yorkshire" your talking about,

    i grew up in the northernmost part of North Yorkshire and we seem to speak in a similar manner to what you described, however as theres a mix of teesside, county Durham and a fair bit of geordie thrown in its completely different yo what people a few miles away speak.

    i think if you look at "yorkshire" as a whole there is many many different dialects, people just add the 't thing as its common in some of the cities.

    p.s. i hate it being called Yorkshire, hence the use of " " in my posts, im from North Yorkshire, those that are from the other parts of "Yorkshire" might as well be from Mars ;):D
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    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    It does exist, but only in certain areas.
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    sickparrotsickparrot Posts: 664
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    Where I come from (kirklees) it was more like 'I'm go-int shop', but our next door neighbours were from barnsley and their accent was distinctly different.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,915
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    Wiki says you come from Hull. Did wiki get it right?
    Speakers of other forms of English often find it difficult to hear, especially the 'glottal' forms that affect the pitch and duration and voice quality of surrounding words and sounds in subtle ways. This often leads to claims that the article is absent, but this is rarely the case. True absence of the article may occur in the east of the DAR area around Kingston upon Hull.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definite_article_reduction
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,146
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    im sat talking to myself now trying to work it out!

    best i can manage in writing is to say this line:

    "im off tut pub to see the lads" or "ill see you int pub"

    its difficult to put into writing....
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,146
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    onefineday wrote: »
    Wiki says you come from Hull. Did wiki get it right?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definite_article_reduction

    see im from nowhere near Hull yet its similar in some aspects, in that article it mentions a beer called "T'owd Tup" (The Old Ram) - where im from it would be more like "T'awd Tup" or "T'aud Tup".
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    fizzycatfizzycat Posts: 6,120
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    JethroUK wrote: »
    Grates with me when people impersonating yarkshire slang just throw in few (( 't )))s instead of word "the"

    Spent my childhood talking Yorkshire slang, they/we dont say the word "the" *at all* - it just doesn't exist in Yorkshire slang

    When they/we say ( t' ), it replaces "to" (not 'the')

    e.g.

    "Will you wash the car?" = "Will you wash car?" (see! no 'the' and no t')

    "I'm going to the shop" = "I'm going t' shop" (t' replaces 'to' not 'the' - we just dont say 'the' at all)


    Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

    There are huge regional differences - I was born in Bradford and lived there for 50 years. I still lapse into speaking like Geordiesi has written and nothing like your example.

    I'm off tut shops so I'd best go wait fort bus.
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    JethroUKJethroUK Posts: 6,107
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    johnny_t wrote: »
    I know what you're saying.

    The main problem, I see, is that people try to pronounce 't'' as a word on its own, whereas it really just tags onto the word before..

    not really

    They/We are just excluding the word 'the' *all together* - because that's what Yorkshire people do - we're actually saying

    "I'm going down to shops"

    Now you try saying that - the 'to' is not attached to any word - you can spell it however you like

    but apostrophe normally used to replace missing letters

    "I'm going down t' shops"

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    fizzycatfizzycat Posts: 6,120
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    JethroUK wrote: »
    not really

    They/We are just excluding the word 'the' *all together* - because that's what Yorkshire people do- we're actually saying

    "I'm going down to shops"

    Now you try saying that - the 'to' is not attached to any word - you can spell it however you like

    but apostrophe normally used to replace missing letters

    "I'm going down t' shops"

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    It's what some Yorkshire people in some areas of Yorkshire do.
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    JethroUKJethroUK Posts: 6,107
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    Sentenza wrote: »
    Luxury , when I were a lad we could not afford t so we had to grind up mud for a brew.

    Eeeeeeeeee we used to dreeeeeam of havin a brew

    best we could do was to suck on a piece of damp cloth
    :D
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    izanamiizanami Posts: 2,788
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    Damn, ave been doin it wrong all this time!

    You and me both :D
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    HogzillaHogzilla Posts: 24,116
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    JethroUK wrote: »
    Grates with me when people impersonating yarkshire slang just throw in few (( 't )))s instead of word "the"

    Spent my childhood talking Yorkshire slang, they/we dont say the word "the" *at all* - it just doesn't exist in Yorkshire slang

    When they/we say ( t' ), it replaces "to" (not 'the')

    e.g.

    "Will you wash the car?" = "Will you wash car?" (see! no 'the' and no t')

    "I'm going to the shop" = "I'm going t' shop" (t' replaces 'to' not 'the' - we just dont say 'the' at all)


    Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Yes, spot on. In fact it can be used as a reliable way of telling the Yorkshire actors from the Lancs actors in Coronation St. Or used to be. They seem to employ a lot of native Yorkshire speakers presumably cos Southerners and Midlanders can't tell ' difference.

    Yorkshire drops the entire definite article - except for odd phrases like 'Put t'wood in t'oil' ("Shut the door") and that's kind of self parody, in itself.:)

    Some of our grammatical differences are survivals from Old English. ('Them' instead of 'those', 'were' for 'was).
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    JethroUKJethroUK Posts: 6,107
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    So "Fifteen of us in t'shoe box in t'middle of t'road" doesn't work? :(

    Nope - Yorkshire man would say

    "Fifteen of us livin in shoe box in middle o' road"

    o' replacing 'of' but no replacements for any 'the' s
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    I love EllieI love Ellie Posts: 8,009
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    'as tha seen ma ferrets?
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    cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    Aye.

    **inordinately long pause whilst I stare into the distance and sip my pint in an extremely laid back fashion**

    Appen you're right lad.
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    HogzillaHogzilla Posts: 24,116
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    JethroUK wrote: »
    Eeeeeeeeee we used to dreeeeeam of havin a brew

    best we could do was to suck on a piece of damp cloth
    :D

    I've spotted the rise of 'brew' in our dialect but I think it's got to Yorkshire from Lancs, as the 'proper' Yorkshire word for making tea when i worra lass, was 'mash'.

    Is't tha mashing tea? = Are you brewing tea.

    I avoid 'brew' because it sounds foreign to me, in my dialect. That's only crept in recently. I was brought up by a Loiner (with a posh 'Harrogate' Yorkshire accent), and an East/West Riding borders farmer's lass, so I suspect my dialect is a bit of a mash, too - West and East Riding. Upper middle class and yeoman farming class.
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    HogzillaHogzilla Posts: 24,116
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    'as tha seen ma ferrets?

    Spot the Southerner.:D
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    lemoncurdlemoncurd Posts: 57,778
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    I suspect people from outside the English north get a Lancashire accent/dialect and a Yorkshire accent/dialiect confused. In Lancashire, we do tend to replace "the" with a soft "th" which can be contracted with other words which begin with a soft sound (e.g. "Put wood i'th ole" = "Close the door").
    Both tend to use a gollotal stop in the dialect rather than a sharp `t'.

    That Michael McKintyre sketch "'t Lion, 't Witch and 't Wardrobe" does really grate. There is no-one who would say that.
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    HogzillaHogzilla Posts: 24,116
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    lemoncurd wrote: »
    I suspect people from outside the English north get a Lancashire accent/dialect and a Yorkshire accent/dialiect confused. In Lancashire, we do tend to replace "the" with a soft "th" which can be contracted with other words which begin with a soft sound (e.g. "Put wood i'th ole" = "Close the door").
    Both tend to use a gollotal stop in the dialect rather than a sharp `t'.

    That Michael McKintyre sketch "'t Lion, 't Witch and 't Wardrobe" does really grate. There is no-one who would say that.

    I hate him with a passion. Sweaty, disgusting creature.
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