lets add the fact that you joined today (after being banned for abusing me) and your first posts are too me, CAN WE SPELL STALKER? and "poor me i was banned for being an idiot so let me go after this person again on a new name"
FKING yawn. Nice to know i got to you enough for you to need to do this though.
Erm, no. I am not stalking you. Even if that is your phantasy. Yes, I only joined today. No, I have not been banned before. And definitely not for abusing you. So yawn yourself out as much as you like. I am more interested in your and everyone else's opinions than stalking somebody here on DS
Erm, no. I am not stalking you. Even if that is your phantasy. Yes, I only joined today. No, I have not been banned before. And definitely not for abusing you. So yawn yourself out as much as you like. I am more interested in your and everyone else's opinions than stalking somebody here on DS
Nice way to focus attention onto yourself again. Something you seem to have managed time upon time again in the few threads you've been involved in since you joined all those 14 days ago
Nice way to focus attention onto yourself again. Something you seem to have managed time upon time again in the few threads you've been involved in since you joined all those 14 days ago
Yours,
your non-stalker
Thanks for making a new account just for me:) thanks with your last post proving how much of a stalker you are, (4 out of your total 5 posts so far being aimed at me) - and referencing other threads and posts from the last few days inspite of you being "new" - how much of an axe do you have to grind, lol like i said, not that smart are you done now, im awfully tired.bye bye.
This is just getting stupid. I haven't had any account before this. And now I'm being accused by another November signeree of stalking. Sorry, does not compute.
LisaB599, this really is a case of mistaken identity. Honest
Thanks for making a new account just for me:) thanks with your last post proving how much of a stalker you are, (4 out of your total 5 posts so far being aimed at me) - and referencing other threads and posts from the last few days inspite of you being "new" - how much of an axe do you have to grind, lol like i said, not that smart are you done now, im awfully tired.bye bye.
You have imagined all of this. Wanna make an even bigger fool of yourself by accusing me of things I never posted here? Go ahead, I am your target for the week
Thanks for making a new account just for me:) thanks with your last post proving how much of a stalker you are, (4 out of your total 5 posts so far being aimed at me) - and referencing other threads and posts from the last few days inspite of you being "new" - how much of an axe do you have to grind, lol like i said, not that smart are you done now, im awfully tired.bye bye.
What makes you think he/she made a new account to abuse you? Who were they before?
Furthermore, on November 2, 2010 Reprieve and Leigh Day and Co. launched legal action against the UK goverment for allowing this (execution drug) export to continue. See report: www.reprieve.org.uk/2010_11_02_zagorski_press_conference
That was so scary that I decided to stop replying before the poster became hysterical and the moderators had to step in.
In my experience those in favour of the death penalty are the ones more likely to be emotional. Wanting anyone dead is an emotional response in my book and most (not all) protagonists seem to view it as punishment or revenge which makes it even more emotional.
That's because you're approaching the discussion in a calm and rational manner. Emotional responses are often confusing to those people not experiencing them
As I've already said, that's a bit of a straw man argument.
Sure, if you're going to hand out a death penalty on the basis of circumstantial or even forensic evidence then it could go back and forth for years and run up a huge cost.
If you initiated a system where the death penalty was only imposed in cases where guilt is incontrovertable (cases where the defendent admits guilt or where there's a reliable eye-witness or CCTV footage etc) then there'd never BE any grounds for all the bullshit appeals and the cost of an execution would be hugely cheaper than a lifetimes incarceration.
but then you're back at the whole issue of having inequity in the judicial system, where two people could both be found guilty if the same crime, and one goes to prison, and the other is executed.
so you'd effectively have three verdicts :
1. not guilty
2. guilty beyond reasonable doubt
3. guilty beyond all doubt
Since they were first issued in 2001, the government's figures have consistently put the number of serious re-offences by the top two levels of criminals at around 70. These offences include murder, rape and serious sexual assaults.
The 2007-8 report stated that 79 offenders out of 12,800 being monitored at the high-risk levels had committed further serious crimes after their release.
So that's (at least, probably more) 149 victims more than there should have been.
That took me just a few minutes to look up. There's more detailed (but not comprehensive) information on the Govt 's own website.
so presumably you'd agree that what we need is tougher sentencing and tighter controls over who is and who isn't released.
either way, I wouldn't be convinced that people should be executed on the grounds of something they *might* do.
Furthermore, on November 2, 2010 Reprieve and Leigh Day and Co. launched legal action against the UK goverment for allowing this (execution drug) export to continue. See report: www.reprieve.org.uk/2010_11_02_zagorski_press_conference
Yes, it was discussed a couple of weeks ago. I think a couple of people suggested that the drug doesn't do the killing and had other legitimate uses. I pointed out that the UK is one of the world's biggest arms manufacturers.
The death penalty is just an imaginary quick fix for those with an irational bloodlust and desire for revenge. There is no just or valid reason for the death penalty as it does not work. It doesn't reduce murder rates but such is the strength of the desire for revenge those in favour manage to push all of the facts out of the way and spout their opinion as if it were fact.
2) It's not an effective punishment. What worse punishment could there be than death? I hear you ask. Look at it this way. Being dead isn't a punishment. You're not aware of being dead. The only 'punishment' is the time in between sentencing and execution. The moment of execution itself would cause some intense emotion, but it's only a moment, and when it's over, the punishment's over.
Real punishment is being locked in a tiny room, alone, for the rest of your natural life. No radio, no television, no books, no external stimuli. Just a bed, a toilet and a sink. A lifetime alone to think about what you did, no-one to talk to, no freedom, nothing but four grey walls. That's what some people really deserve.
so presumably you'd agree that what we need is tougher sentencing and tighter controls over who is and who isn't released.
either way, I wouldn't be convinced that people should be executed on the grounds of something they *might* do.
Iain
Yes I'm up for that as a starting point.
But for some (not all, just some for those hard of reading) people such as the animal that recorded his torture of the child on the other thread, and certain serial killers I'd happily push the button knowing that in the event that these type of people were ever released they would be highly likely to kill again.
So, would I execute some people because of what they might do? I'd rephrase that to what they will likely do!
The answer is yes I would.
I'd rather have the death of one twisted individual rather than the death of several innocents.
Yes I'm up for that as a starting point.
But for some (not all, just some for those hard of reading) people such as the animal that recorded his torture of the child on the other thread, and certain serial killers I'd happily push the button knowing that in the event that these type of people were ever released they would be highly likely to kill again.
So, would I execute some people because of what they might do? I'd rephrase that to what they will likely do!
The answer is yes I would.
I'd rather have the death of one twisted individual rather than the death of several innocents.
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everything i said an more
bye now
Nice way to focus attention onto yourself again. Something you seem to have managed time upon time again in the few threads you've been involved in since you joined all those 14 days ago
Yours,
your non-stalker
Thanks for making a new account just for me:) thanks with your last post proving how much of a stalker you are, (4 out of your total 5 posts so far being aimed at me) - and referencing other threads and posts from the last few days inspite of you being "new" - how much of an axe do you have to grind, lol like i said, not that smart are you done now, im awfully tired.bye bye.
lol i do hope other people will
LisaB599, this really is a case of mistaken identity. Honest
Fair enough. At least you had a vote.
You have imagined all of this. Wanna make an even bigger fool of yourself by accusing me of things I never posted here? Go ahead, I am your target for the week
What makes you think he/she made a new account to abuse you? Who were they before?
Furthermore, on November 2, 2010 Reprieve and Leigh Day and Co. launched legal action against the UK goverment for allowing this (execution drug) export to continue. See report: www.reprieve.org.uk/2010_11_02_zagorski_press_conference
What about this response:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=45722890&postcount=191
That was so scary that I decided to stop replying before the poster became hysterical and the moderators had to step in.
In my experience those in favour of the death penalty are the ones more likely to be emotional. Wanting anyone dead is an emotional response in my book and most (not all) protagonists seem to view it as punishment or revenge which makes it even more emotional.
yes
yes
but then you're back at the whole issue of having inequity in the judicial system, where two people could both be found guilty if the same crime, and one goes to prison, and the other is executed.
so you'd effectively have three verdicts :
1. not guilty
2. guilty beyond reasonable doubt
3. guilty beyond all doubt
is that what you would advocate?
Iain
so presumably you'd agree that what we need is tougher sentencing and tighter controls over who is and who isn't released.
either way, I wouldn't be convinced that people should be executed on the grounds of something they *might* do.
Iain
I'd say they were more likely to be well balanced human beings.
How many who are in favour of the death penalty would actually do the job of an executioner?
How many could live with the guilt if they later found out the person was in fact innocent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_thiopental
Is that really the Christian view... sell pay per view of executions?
1) It neither reduces nor prevents crime.
2) It's not an effective punishment. What worse punishment could there be than death? I hear you ask. Look at it this way. Being dead isn't a punishment. You're not aware of being dead. The only 'punishment' is the time in between sentencing and execution. The moment of execution itself would cause some intense emotion, but it's only a moment, and when it's over, the punishment's over.
Real punishment is being locked in a tiny room, alone, for the rest of your natural life. No radio, no television, no books, no external stimuli. Just a bed, a toilet and a sink. A lifetime alone to think about what you did, no-one to talk to, no freedom, nothing but four grey walls. That's what some people really deserve.
Yes I'm up for that as a starting point.
But for some (not all, just some for those hard of reading) people such as the animal that recorded his torture of the child on the other thread, and certain serial killers I'd happily push the button knowing that in the event that these type of people were ever released they would be highly likely to kill again.
So, would I execute some people because of what they might do? I'd rephrase that to what they will likely do!
The answer is yes I would.
I'd rather have the death of one twisted individual rather than the death of several innocents.
this ^^
Beause we don't get a thrill out of killing people?
Fair enough.