The minute I heard about this case when it broke, I figured the husband did it. No question about it. Looks like I may have been right, judging by recent events.
It's a shame really. I fell for Karen Matthews' pleas on the news but she turned out to be the culprit so now I'm much more cynical and sceptical.
He needs to go to jail for a long time just for the existence of that hideous monogrammed tracksuit in the photos in the Sun story. I dislike him purely for having had that made.
The taxi driver is saying the husband wanted her murdered, not kidnapped for ransom. The husband insists there was no life insurance on her.
You should visit the South African ''Crime and Courts'' website. It contains several articles on the Dewani murder case.
In particular, there's an article entitled: 'Why was my Anni killed?'' It essentially conveys the shock, confusion and questions being asked by Anni's father. Like yourself, he's trying to identify a motive for his daughter's murder.
When the tragic news originally broke I said to my OH, 'there's summat not right about the husband in this'.
Maybe it's just the way it was portrayed on the news. I KNOW I may still be proved wrong but it felt odd at the time for some reason.... same with Karen Mathews, we both questioned the validity of that report too.
Having said this, there's probably other cases were I've been suspicious and nowt's come of it, so maybe I'm just recalling the most high profile ones..... Although I didn't question Ian Huntley being interviewed.
I never really felt suspicious about the husbands actions, more the circumstances of the murder. On the whole, criminals murder for gain. What would be the gain of randomly hijacking a taxi, kicking out the occupants, kidnapping a woman and then killing her? It really does not happen like that does it? Why would that do that for no gain unless they were severely mentally ill?
You should visit the South African ''Crime and Courts'' website. It contains several articles on the Dewani murder case.
In particular, there's an article entitled: 'Why was my Anni killed?'' It essentially conveys the shock, confusion and questions being asked by Anni's father. Like yourself, he's trying to identify a motive for his daughter's murder.
Perhaps she or he found something out that they didn't like. Also, wasn't it reported that she seemed upset on the plane going out there? So, who knows what's gone on that might yet emerge.
That's the bit that doesn't add up for me too. I can't see any motive for him to have her killed but I can see the motive for kidnapping. If it really was a kidnapping gone wrong then the driver would know that and wouldn't have any reason to turn it into a murder plot. If this CCTV exists though it is pretty damning, whatever the motive.
I seem to be missing a few details here. What CCTV is this? Also, what is this I read about an upset on the plane?
I seem to be missing a few details here. What CCTV is this? Also, what is this I read about an upset on the plane?
A police 'source' has told The Sun there's CCTV of a pay-off and I'm not sure myself about the upset, perhaps she didn't like flying,
I'm sure one of the armchair detectives with immutable gut feelings will soon be along to tell you.
Perhaps she or he found something out that they didn't like. Also, wasn't it reported that she seemed upset on the plane going out there? So, who knows what's gone on that might yet emerge.
The SA article speaks of another attempt by Dewani to arrange a murder in SA. It's getting difficult to distinguish truth from rumour now.
A police 'source' has told The Sun there's CCTV of a pay-off and I'm not sure myself about the upset, perhaps she didn't like flying,
I'm sure one of the armchair detectives with immutable gut feelings will soon be along to tell you.
Well if there is CCTV of this, then it could well be case closed. Unless Mr Dewani can come up with a reasonable explanation as to why he met them prior to the murder.
Well if there is CCTV of this, then it could well be case closed. Unless Mr Dewani can come up with a reasonable explanation as to why he met them prior to the murder.
and it was previously reported than during a flight Anni was upset and was asked if she wanted to sit next to her husband but she refused so they were sat separately.
and it was previously reported than during a flight Anni was upset and was asked if she wanted to sit next to her husband but she refused so they were sat separately.
If the guy wanted the alledged attackers get what they deserved why did he not go to the identity parade ? aahh makes you think dont it ! So the south african authorities started to look into the murder again. and they decided there was enough evidence to ask for the british husbands arrest.
also the taxi driver arrested and charged and found guilty did a deal with the CPS in south africa . appears he was the only person they could prove that did it ,others had been arrested but as the british guy refused to go over there,they had to release them (i believe). He will be sent back to south africa offcourse that does not mean he is guilty of any offence,but the police here have checked what the evidence is and its up to them to decide whether there is enough evidence against him. Think mr clifford is wishing he was not involved now. shame ! its ok he find another victim >
You should visit the South African ''Crime and Courts'' website. It contains several articles on the Dewani murder case.
In particular, there's an article entitled: 'Why was my Anni killed?'' It essentially conveys the shock, confusion and questions being asked by Anni's father. Like yourself, he's trying to identify a motive for his daughter's murder.
A police 'source' has told The Sun there's CCTV of a pay-off and I'm not sure myself about the upset, perhaps she didn't like flying,
I'm sure one of the armchair detectives with immutable gut feelings will soon be along to tell you.
How wrong you are!!!
A stewardess made a statement that Anni was crying and moved to a different seat. When asked if she would like to move back to sit with her travelling partner she refused.
The bit about 'fear of flying' is your armchair surrmising.:D
with absolutely no basis for it too!!;)
But she is wealthy. Do you need extra life insurance on a spouse that is already wealthy? There is also the possibilty of a non-monetary motive.
Her family is wealthy, not seen evidence that she is in her own right.
What non-monetary motive? She was killed a few days after getting married. So why did he marry her? I have also seen reports the wedding might not be legal in the UK.
A stewardess made a statement that Anni was crying and moved to a different seat. When asked if she would like to move back to sit with her travelling partner she refused.
The bit about 'fear of flying' is your armchair surrmising.:D
with absolutely no basis for it too!!;)
Read it really carefully. It's all second and third hand information.
‘We have heard that the air hostess noticed they were sitting separately and Anni was crying.
The air hostess apparently asked Anni if she would like to sit with Shrien, but Anni said no.’
It is not clear where this information originated from, or indeed how it was passed to Anni’s family.
A stewardess made a statement that Anni was crying and moved to a different seat. When asked if she would like to move back to sit with her travelling partner she refused.
The bit about 'fear of flying' is your armchair surrmising.:D
with absolutely no basis for it too!!;)
Which was why I used the word 'perhaps' and said I was unsure of the details :rolleyes:.
Her family is wealthy, not seen evidence that she is in her own right.
What non-monetary motive? She was killed a few days after getting married. So why did he marry her? I have also seen reports the wedding might not be legal in the UK.
This is why I find it very strange
I think it was about the money and his feeling of entitlement to it. There is a rather gruesome tradition of bride-slaying in the Indian subcontinent, usually for enhancements to the dowry.
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He's said way too much already. He wasn't an eyewitness to Anni's murder so really had no business trying to defend Dewani's account of the crime.
I suspect Clifford will stop making statements to the press, in support of this client, now. :eek:
It's a shame really. I fell for Karen Matthews' pleas on the news but she turned out to be the culprit so now I'm much more cynical and sceptical.
You should visit the South African ''Crime and Courts'' website. It contains several articles on the Dewani murder case.
In particular, there's an article entitled: 'Why was my Anni killed?'' It essentially conveys the shock, confusion and questions being asked by Anni's father. Like yourself, he's trying to identify a motive for his daughter's murder.
See link www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts
I never really felt suspicious about the husbands actions, more the circumstances of the murder. On the whole, criminals murder for gain. What would be the gain of randomly hijacking a taxi, kicking out the occupants, kidnapping a woman and then killing her? It really does not happen like that does it? Why would that do that for no gain unless they were severely mentally ill?
Perhaps she or he found something out that they didn't like. Also, wasn't it reported that she seemed upset on the plane going out there? So, who knows what's gone on that might yet emerge.
I seem to be missing a few details here. What CCTV is this? Also, what is this I read about an upset on the plane?
A police 'source' has told The Sun there's CCTV of a pay-off and I'm not sure myself about the upset, perhaps she didn't like flying,
I'm sure one of the armchair detectives with immutable gut feelings will soon be along to tell you.
The SA article speaks of another attempt by Dewani to arrange a murder in SA. It's getting difficult to distinguish truth from rumour now.
Well if there is CCTV of this, then it could well be case closed. Unless Mr Dewani can come up with a reasonable explanation as to why he met them prior to the murder.
Big if, isn't it?
But she is wealthy. Do you need extra life insurance on a spouse that is already wealthy? There is also the possibilty of a non-monetary motive.
YingYang posted the sun's story about the CCTV a few posts up.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3267547/Murder-suspect-Shrien-Dewani-caught-on-CCTV-paying-cash-to-plot-claim-cabbie.html
and it was previously reported than during a flight Anni was upset and was asked if she wanted to sit next to her husband but she refused so they were sat separately.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333717/Anni-Dewani-tears-honeymoon-flight-shot-dead-says-father.html
I don't think it is a big if. Either the CCTV exists or it doesn't.
You missed out the 'apparently'.
Well nobody has officially said it does.
also the taxi driver arrested and charged and found guilty did a deal with the CPS in south africa . appears he was the only person they could prove that did it ,others had been arrested but as the british guy refused to go over there,they had to release them (i believe). He will be sent back to south africa offcourse that does not mean he is guilty of any offence,but the police here have checked what the evidence is and its up to them to decide whether there is enough evidence against him. Think mr clifford is wishing he was not involved now. shame ! its ok he find another victim >
Thanks for link. Poor man had only met the husband about 3 times before the wedding.
How wrong you are!!!
A stewardess made a statement that Anni was crying and moved to a different seat. When asked if she would like to move back to sit with her travelling partner she refused.
The bit about 'fear of flying' is your armchair surrmising.:D
with absolutely no basis for it too!!;)
Her family is wealthy, not seen evidence that she is in her own right.
What non-monetary motive? She was killed a few days after getting married. So why did he marry her? I have also seen reports the wedding might not be legal in the UK.
This is why I find it very strange
Read it really carefully. It's all second and third hand information.
‘We have heard that the air hostess noticed they were sitting separately and Anni was crying.
The air hostess apparently asked Anni if she would like to sit with Shrien, but Anni said no.’
It is not clear where this information originated from, or indeed how it was passed to Anni’s family.
Which was why I used the word 'perhaps' and said I was unsure of the details :rolleyes:.
I think it was about the money and his feeling of entitlement to it. There is a rather gruesome tradition of bride-slaying in the Indian subcontinent, usually for enhancements to the dowry.