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Is BBC drama Sky TV's best friend ?

onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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I recently read that Sky TV has seen a sharp increase in subscriptions in recent years.
I wonder if this is down to the dreary state of BBC drama, which is pretty depressing.
In the meantime Sky have launched Sky Atlantic which showcases some of the best of HBO which seems to be leaving the BBC in the slow lane.
There is a sense of negativity which runs throughout the BBC like a disease.
Lets be honest, a great deal of the current BBC output is uninspiring at best.
If the BBC made a wider range of drama programmes which appealed to more of the British public, then more people wouldn't feel obliged to pay for subscripion TV.
In many respects the BBC is failing the public it is meant to serve.
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    KennyTKennyT Posts: 20,702
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    I don't think it's fair to criticise the BBC for its "range" of British dramas (that's more credibly levelled at the commercial companies, IMO). By all means criticise the overall quality, although this week has had "Exile" and tonight "The Shadow Line", but that may just be a "blip", of course!

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    msimmsim Posts: 2,926
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    Nothing to do with digital switchover.

    Or the rise in bundled services that Sky offer.

    Nope, its all to do with BBC drama being crap :rolleyes:
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    I'll watch The Shadow Line (tonight) and the recent Exile and let you know if they match The Accused, The Crimson Petal and the White, Fantabulosa and Torchwood Children of Earth. Maybe BBC drama is not crap.
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    Dead ParrotDead Parrot Posts: 956
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    I'd say it's more down to the amount of sport's rights Sky has than anything else.
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    onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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    msim wrote: »
    Nothing to do with digital switchover.

    Or the rise in bundled services that Sky offer.

    Nope, its all to do with BBC drama being crap :rolleyes:

    But if BBC drama had wider appeal for an adult audience and was more inspiring and less dreary then fewer people would feel the need to pay subscriptions to Sky etc.
    That is self evident.
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    PeterBPeterB Posts: 9,487
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    But if BBC drama had wider appeal for an adult audience and was more inspiring and less dreary then fewer people would feel the need to pay subscriptions to Sky etc.
    That is self evident.

    What about drama on ITV, Channel 4 and 5? Why just the BBC?
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    onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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    PeterB wrote: »
    What about drama on ITV, Channel 4 and 5? Why just the BBC?

    Lets be honest the BBC has resorces which far outstrip all the other broadcasters you mentioned there by some distance.
    The BBC smugly regards itself as representative of the nation and the main British broadcaster.
    They don't produce a lot which is uplifting or inspiring or which is even that engrossing.
    The British Broadcasting Corporation isn't doing much which appeals to large chunks of the British public - which is why so many are taking out subsricptions to other services.
    Lets be honest, there seems to be more than a few people at the BBC who don't have a flippin' clue.
    There are people In front of and behind the camera/microphone at the BBC who have an unjustified very high opinion of themselves.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    But if BBC drama had wider appeal for an adult audience and was more inspiring and less dreary then fewer people would feel the need to pay subscriptions to Sky etc.
    That is self evident.
    Could you point me to this survey that has been conducted that indicates that people are choosing Sky because of what you perceive as the BBC's dreary drama output?

    I have a feeling you won't .......
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    PeterB wrote: »
    What about drama on ITV, Channel 4 and 5? Why just the BBC?
    Because ....

    it's yet another baseless and very shallow attempt to bash the BBC with any old argument whether it is valid or not, whether it is sensible or not. That's why.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,697
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    It's more to do with peoples finances being squeezed as its cheaper to have a month of Sky TV (or Virgin) for the family than it is for a family to go for a night at the cinema or theatre.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    Lets be honest the BBC has resorces which far outstrip all the other broadcasters you mentioned there by some distance.
    The BBC smugly regards itself as representative of the nation and the main British broadcaster.
    They don't produce a lot which is uplifting or inspiring or which is even that engrossing.
    The British Broadcasting Corporation isn't doing much which appeals to large chunks of the British public - which is why so many are taking out subsricptions to other services.
    Lets be honest, there seems to be more than a few people at the BBC who don't have a flippin' clue.
    There are people In front of and behind the camera/microphone at the BBC who have an unjustified very high opinion of themselves.
    What has that (shifting of the argument) got to do with your claim about BBC drama (which is the thread topic that you created)?
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    Georged123Georged123 Posts: 5,767
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    Everyone must be joining Sky because of the vast amount of British drama they make................ oh they hardly make any. :rolleyes:
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    msimmsim Posts: 2,926
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    But if BBC drama had wider appeal for an adult audience and was more inspiring and less dreary then fewer people would feel the need to pay subscriptions to Sky etc.
    That is self evident.

    The usual garbage spouted by you. "Self evident" - please! :rolleyes:

    The biggest driver to people joining Sky has been the digital switchover. Throw in the mix Sky now offering internet and telephony services. Now consider the number of HD channels that Sky have, not to mention they give away HD receivers. Now consider how expensive the cinema and sports games are to attend in person. These are all reasons why subscribers to Sky have increased.

    If you have evidence to suggest that the lack of BBC drama is a big driver, rather than say the lack of comedy on Ch4 or the lack of anything worth wacthing on ITV1, then lets hear it.

    If the BBC is, essentially shit as you're implying, why are Sky not creating their own "adult", "uplifiting" and "inspiring" drama? You can't suggest that any of their imported content is filling this void, since the BBC has never been big on imports recently, and indeed, US drama never rates well on UK tv. If the public at large weren't interested in American content in the first place, they wont be now that most of the quality stuff is behind a paywall on Skys exclusive channel.

    And to paraphrase you, lets be honest, you don't have a flippin' clue.
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    ramraiderukramraideruk Posts: 1,190
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    Can we move this to the I hate BBC/Licence fee forum please?
    :rolleyes:
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    Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,230
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    I recently read that Sky TV has seen a sharp increase in subscriptions in recent years.
    I wonder if this is down to the dreary state of BBC drama, which is pretty depressing.
    In the meantime Sky have launched Sky Atlantic which showcases some of the best of HBO which seems to be leaving the BBC in the slow lane.
    There is a sense of negativity which runs throughout the BBC like a disease.
    Lets be honest, a great deal of the current BBC output is uninspiring at best.
    If the BBC made a wider range of drama programmes which appealed to more of the British public, then more people wouldn't feel obliged to pay for subscripion TV.
    In many respects the BBC is failing the public it is meant to serve.
    Oh dear what planet are you on? For starters most of the BBC dramas easily get much more viewers than any of the HBO content on Sky Atlantic. Also it shouldn't be up to just the BBC to produce British Drama. All of the main broadcasters have a duty to some point including Sky who have only just started making a real effort.
    It is obviously as already stated due to the Digital switchover that is causing the surge in Sky subscriptions.
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    BigOrangeBigOrange Posts: 59,683
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    Can we please stop talking about Sky Atlantic as if it's the best thing since sliced bread? At best it's on a par with FX.
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    Sweet FASweet FA Posts: 10,928
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    Er, no.

    The recession in general is a gift to Sky. Peeps scaling back on (extravagant) holidays, outings and other luxuries (due to job uncertainty etc...) are investing in (more) home cinema - which includes but is not limited to Sky TV packages - as a consolation. Nothing to do with BBC programming, besides which you'd need to purchase a TV licence in the first place...
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,952
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    BBC drama generally achieves ten times the audience of drama series on Sky, even though around half the population has digital satellite.

    That hardly suggests that it is unpopular.
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    msimmsim Posts: 2,926
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    Dancc wrote: »
    Can we please stop talking about Sky Atlantic as if it's the best thing since sliced bread? At best it's on a par with FX.

    Indeed.

    Can anyone answer why "The home of HBO" and American content has just commissioned a fly-on-the wall fishing documentary in Brixham, a programme called Treasure Seekers that sounds akin to a more sophisticated Cash in the Attic, and yet another a rip-off of Come Dine With Me?

    What have any of those got to do with an "Atlantic" theme?

    Sky bought a load of content from HBO and decided to create a channel around that which they could keep exclusive to their platform, create a lot of buzz about and spent what must have been millions on advertising it.

    The problem is, they havent enough content to fill it, and sooner or later, the small number of viewers that do watch Sky Atlantic will tire of seeing repeats of decade old dramas. We all know the HBO content should have went onto Sky1 or Living and that Atlantic is an expensive vanity project for Sky.

    Its a pointless channel that will gradually be watered down over time (its happening even now only 3 months after it launched!) before being closed the next time a game of musical chairs happens at Osterly.
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    I'd say it's more down to the amount of sport's rights Sky has than anything else.

    Spot on! It's the number one driver for subs in Pay TV.
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    Lets be honest, a great deal of the current BBC output is uninspiring at best. .

    And yet, in Sky homes, the number one watched channel is BBC1!:D
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    There are people In front of and behind the camera/microphone at the BBC who have an unjustified very high opinion of themselves.

    Erm, if you're talking about drama, a lot of is done by the "Indies", which mean's you'll have THE SAME "people In front of and behind the camera/microphone t who have an unjustified very high opinion of themselves" as you would have on one of Sky's few British dramas....;)
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    AidanLunnAidanLunn Posts: 5,320
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    Lets be honest the BBC has resorces which far outstrip all the other broadcasters you mentioned there by some distance.
    The BBC smugly regards itself as representative of the nation and the main British broadcaster.
    They don't produce a lot which is uplifting or inspiring or which is even that engrossing.
    The British Broadcasting Corporation isn't doing much which appeals to large chunks of the British public - which is why so many are taking out subsricptions to other services.
    Lets be honest, there seems to be more than a few people at the BBC who don't have a flippin' clue.
    There are people In front of and behind the camera/microphone at the BBC who have an unjustified very high opinion of themselves.

    How can you hold the BBC responsible if the commercial broadcasters are much smaller than it is?

    It's the fault of the commercial channels for being smaller than the BBC!
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    grahamzxygrahamzxy Posts: 11,920
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    The OP wants uplifting drama, maybe he's just noticed how much his Sky subs are per year and he's feeling a little down.

    It would be good if the bbc could switch off services to such people - refund his 40p a day and let him endure Sky with its endless ad breaks and reruns, plus £123 extra per year for HD - ouch.

    BBC make hundreds of hours of award winning drama a year - people wants quality not upliftment - this isn't LA.
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    henderohendero Posts: 11,773
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    grahamzxy wrote: »
    It would be good if the bbc could switch off services to such people - refund his 40p a day and let him endure Sky with its endless ad breaks and reruns, plus £123 extra per year for HD - ouch.

    Apparently around a third of the UK viewing public would welcome exactly that option.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3537567.stm

    http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/2297/MediaGuardian-poll-on-BBC-licence-fee.aspx?view=print
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