The criteria is supposed to be whether the BBFC feel a film may cause harm.
But as it is going to be made available in many, many other countries, why do the BBFC feel that we in the UK cannot handle such a film and will be harmed by it, but other countries feel it warrants a release and wont cause harm?.
Are we in the UK really more prone to harm from movies than any other country?.
Sadly, when we have the likes of The Daily mail readers, mediawatch, mumsnet, denise fergus and serial complainers, you sometimes wonder!
I mean promoting it in countries where it is legal for example a Dutch (nationality of the director) version of HMV. The DVD could have a huge sticker saying Banned in the United Kingdom for being to horrific as a way of promoting it.
That is exactly how many films were marketed in Holland during the video nasty era, and it continued into the DVD era.
The Dutch distributors were obviously taking advantage of the films notoriety, both to sell it to their Dutch customers and to UK tourists too.
People like to judge for themselves what they want to watch.
It wont be banned elsewhere so it shouldn't be banned here
Assuming you mean western countries: Australia is stricter than we are, it's got no chance there. Ireland will likely ban it as well. Germany is arguably stricter than UK as well
It'll get released in the USA but most major retailers won't touch it, meaning people actively have to seek it out.
Who the hell do you think you are mllfap? How dare you suggest that I am not bright enough to make my own decision... My decision is to NOT watch it and I fully support the BBFC's decision. Don't try an insult me just because our opinions differ.
The reason why there has been a U turn on certain films is because society has become more and more desensitised over the years. The Exorcist being an example had people passing out in the cinema. Nowadays people don't bat an eyelid but I can guarantee that the likes of the Saw franchise would stand no chance of being rated back then because of how explicit they are.
Desensitisation in my eyes is not a good thing. However I put my hand up as being guilty of it. I can watch most films and not bat an eyelid but I do have my limitations. You can argue that they need to move with the times but I am sorry, I think that maybe there should be certain restrictions because that sort of material is unnecessary in my eyes.
The BBFC are not out right banning it. They are requesting that cuts should be made to allow it an 18 Cert rating. If the director is refusing to make the cuts then yes the BBFC will refuse to rate it, meaning it won't get a cinematic release and most likely no DVD release here. There are many films that have had cuts over the years to allow them to be given their desired rating. Many film studios aim for more family friendly ratings because it guarantees more revenue at the cinema as more people/families can watch it. Obviously most horror films are going to aim for 15/18 ratings but there should be a line that shouldn't be crossed.
Let's not forget that we are not censored as much as some countries are. You only have to look at China and how crazily strict the government is there.
Clearly someone with absolutely no knowledge of film or those interested in it.
Have you ever heard of the Video Nasties ?
Several dozen mostly shit films that became sought after rarities for one reason only .
There are no laws on obscenity.
The OPA contains no specific acts or content at all - it is worded so that any content that is prosecuted with it is entirely open to interpreation.
Even the BBFC when cutting R18 porn explain that many cuts are because of " their current interpretation of the OPA"
They weren;t and they don't
You contradict yourself.
It prohibits the content you specify whether its consensual or not if its in porn content
DVD's released that are exempt from classification are restricted to various documentaries , music releases etc - not movies.
Without a BBFC certificate the film IS completely banned on dvd in the UK.
Local councils can ignore cinema certificates however.
Very reasoned I though.
Suggesting that films like this contribute to what happened at Winterbourne View is possibly the most stupid comment I've read in a long time.
It makes some of the bollocks spouted at the time about video nasties seem quite sane
Calm down luv. As much as I agree with you theres no point in picking out people. Everone can see it anyway. It means nothing, No need to argue.
my only issue with this is that people who want to see it will now import a foreign copy, or simply torrent it which is just feeding the problem of piracy!
Nothing wrong with importing - I import dvd and Bluray all the time
I don't see anyone fighting for standards on this thread except me and wonkey donkey.
Nice to see how you think everything should be up to your standards.
Strangely enough , in almost every other western country the film will come out , play away and be forgotten .
Its only the UK where they make a fuss and judging from some of the crap posted on here by those who would have been right at home fighting against Video Nasties in 1983 it seems as if there are some in the UK who really cannot be trusted to make up their own mind without help from the state.
The BBFC should publish their guidance on the content as they do with othet content and then it should be left to consumer to make the choice.
The BBFC banned many horror films , even The Exorcist on video for many years and history has shown what most of us knew at the time - they were misguided clueless morons.
But they still carry on doing it
So the majority of people on here think no film should be banned no matter the subject matter
There's always one who comes out with this tripe.
Its not hard - really it isnt.
Films made for entertainment that are for regular release to cinemas and dvd need no interference from the state bar info on the content to give parents guidance.
The same should go for all regular adult porn.
Obviously anything else like kiddie porn etc will remain illegal like it is everywhere else.
No wonder the UK is the laughing stock of Europe.
Holland and Denmark have not had censorship for adults for decades yet we don't have hordes of Dutchman running around eating each other do we.
No wonder the UK is the laughing stock of Europe.
Holland and Denmark have not had censorship for adults for decades yet we don't have hordes of Dutchman running around eating each other do we.
Good point, plus statistics online via Google also show both countries have lower sexual crime rates, and generally lower violent crime rates than we do in the UK too.
Nothing wrong with importing - I import dvd and Bluray all the time
Nice to see how you think everything should be up to your standards.
Strangely enough , in almost every other western country the film will come out , play away and be forgotten .
Its only the UK where they make a fuss and judging from some of the crap posted on here by those who would have been right at home fighting against Video Nasties in 1983 it seems as if there are some in the UK who really cannot be trusted to make up their own mind without help from the state.
The BBFC should publish their guidance on the content as they do with othet content and then it should be left to consumer to make the choice.
The BBFC banned many horror films , even The Exorcist on video for many years and history has shown what most of us knew at the time - they were misguided clueless morons.
But they still carry on doing it
Says the guy who's spent pages singing the praises of Cannibal Holocaust and its genuine animal mutilations:rolleyes:
There's always one who comes out with this tripe.
Its not hard - really it isnt.
Films made for entertainment that are for regular release to cinemas and dvd need no interference from the state bar info on the content to give parents guidance.
The same should go for all regular adult porn.
Obviously anything else like kiddie porn etc will remain illegal like it is everywhere else.
No wonder the UK is the laughing stock of Europe.
Holland and Denmark have not had censorship for adults for decades yet we don't have hordes of Dutchman running around eating each other do we.
Are rape scenes that are clearly meant to turn on sections of the audience "regular adult porn"?
I think some see this issue as being very black and white, when the reality is a million shades of grey.
I have no interest in HC2, but I did watch the uncut version of A Serbian Film and it stayed with me for months and in the end I regretted watching it. I think the problem with letting everything in is you'll just get stronger and stronger content and the line needs to be drawn somewhere. I don't think it's easy figuring out where though.
Who the hell do you think you are mllfap? How dare you suggest that I am not bright enough to make my own decision... My decision is to NOT watch it and I fully support the BBFC's decision. Don't try an insult me just because our opinions differ.
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Pretty desperate if you need to use China as an example of how great the UK is.
The fact is that most other countries will have no problems with the film and it will go largely unnoticed .
Your decision is not to watch it - fine.
But yet you applaud the decision for that choice to be taken away from everybody else.
As I said - the rest of Europe /USA has no problems but people like you make it clear that the poor old UK population obviously are not intelligent enough to make up their own mind like the rest of the world can.
And know your facts.
The BBFC clearly stated that cuts would NOT make the film acceptable - it IS banned:rolleyes:
I haven't seen the film or the first one but IMO, you'd have to be sick to enjoy it, even more so to make such a film. I'm glad the BBFC have banned it, as I certainly don't want to see it or it's predecessor.
Here's a radical suggestion for you if you don't want to watch either of them: Don't! Nobody's forcing you...:rolleyes:
And why exactly does a person have to be "sick" to want to watch something like this? What a load of Daily Mail inspired horseshit. It's a horror film, it's designed to be "horrifying", that's why horror fans like to watch these types of films, it's not because we're "sick", it's because we like to be scared/grossed out.
Yes because we're the only country to ban films and every other country in the world will allow it's release :rolleyes:
Nope like i said further up, we wont be the only place that does but there will be countries that wont ban it or even cut it so why should the UK or any other country that does? :rolleyes:
Perhaps, but the BBFC gave no indication that they considered it would fall foul of the Extreme Pornography act, instead they felt it might contravene the Obscene Publications Act.
True. Although I don't think anyone really knows what might be classed as Extreme Pornography. It's not the BBFC's job to decide, and I suspect they wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole. The OPA is sane by comparison.
Good point, plus statistics online via Google also show both countries have lower sexual crime rates, and generally lower violent crime rates than we do in the UK too.
Yes, this clear evidence that our censorship is not required for the reasons we get has been known to politicians fr decades yet on all their fact finding jollies they never seem to ask why this could be .
Yes because we're the only country to ban films and every other country in the world will allow it's release :rolleyes:
So called "free" countries yes.
Australia seem to be having their own video nasties era at the moment but by and large Europe and the US will have no issues with the film.
In the US there will likely be a cut version to get the R rating but they have the option to release unrated material too
It's not desperate, it's an example of how we are more lenient when compared to other countries. I am not applauding them, I am agreeing with their decision. If it's such a bloody problem then move to the US or Europe. It's hardly the end of the world. I have never made out that the UK is not intelligent enough to be able to cope with this film so don't go sticking words in my mouth thank you very much!!! I like a good horror film and I like to be scared but personally the likes of Saw (1st was the best) are not what I class as horror. They are horrific yes but it's more sadistic torture than anything. I like a bit of suspense. Halloween always used to scare me or Alien because it was what you didn't see that scared me as a child. Masturbation with sandpaper and penetrative sex using barbed wire just seems unnecessary, regardless of who says you can or can't watch. I watch what I like so regardless of what the BBFC have said, I would have refused to watch just from the description.
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People like to judge for themselves what they want to watch.
It wont be banned elsewhere so it shouldn't be banned here
Sadly, when we have the likes of The Daily mail readers, mediawatch, mumsnet, denise fergus and serial complainers, you sometimes wonder!
But as I said before people will just buy the US DVDs when they come out,
That is exactly how many films were marketed in Holland during the video nasty era, and it continued into the DVD era.
The Dutch distributors were obviously taking advantage of the films notoriety, both to sell it to their Dutch customers and to UK tourists too.
Assuming you mean western countries: Australia is stricter than we are, it's got no chance there. Ireland will likely ban it as well. Germany is arguably stricter than UK as well
It'll get released in the USA but most major retailers won't touch it, meaning people actively have to seek it out.
The reason why there has been a U turn on certain films is because society has become more and more desensitised over the years. The Exorcist being an example had people passing out in the cinema. Nowadays people don't bat an eyelid but I can guarantee that the likes of the Saw franchise would stand no chance of being rated back then because of how explicit they are.
Desensitisation in my eyes is not a good thing. However I put my hand up as being guilty of it. I can watch most films and not bat an eyelid but I do have my limitations. You can argue that they need to move with the times but I am sorry, I think that maybe there should be certain restrictions because that sort of material is unnecessary in my eyes.
The BBFC are not out right banning it. They are requesting that cuts should be made to allow it an 18 Cert rating. If the director is refusing to make the cuts then yes the BBFC will refuse to rate it, meaning it won't get a cinematic release and most likely no DVD release here. There are many films that have had cuts over the years to allow them to be given their desired rating. Many film studios aim for more family friendly ratings because it guarantees more revenue at the cinema as more people/families can watch it. Obviously most horror films are going to aim for 15/18 ratings but there should be a line that shouldn't be crossed.
Let's not forget that we are not censored as much as some countries are. You only have to look at China and how crazily strict the government is there.
Calm down luv. As much as I agree with you theres no point in picking out people. Everone can see it anyway. It means nothing, No need to argue.
Nice to see how you think everything should be up to your standards.
Strangely enough , in almost every other western country the film will come out , play away and be forgotten .
Its only the UK where they make a fuss and judging from some of the crap posted on here by those who would have been right at home fighting against Video Nasties in 1983 it seems as if there are some in the UK who really cannot be trusted to make up their own mind without help from the state.
The BBFC should publish their guidance on the content as they do with othet content and then it should be left to consumer to make the choice.
The BBFC banned many horror films , even The Exorcist on video for many years and history has shown what most of us knew at the time - they were misguided clueless morons.
But they still carry on doing it
Says the guy who's spent pages singing the praises of Cannibal Holocaust and its genuine animal mutilations:rolleyes:
There's always one who comes out with this tripe.
Its not hard - really it isnt.
Films made for entertainment that are for regular release to cinemas and dvd need no interference from the state bar info on the content to give parents guidance.
The same should go for all regular adult porn.
Obviously anything else like kiddie porn etc will remain illegal like it is everywhere else.
No wonder the UK is the laughing stock of Europe.
Holland and Denmark have not had censorship for adults for decades yet we don't have hordes of Dutchman running around eating each other do we.
Its still going to be available in a good few countries though
Good point, plus statistics online via Google also show both countries have lower sexual crime rates, and generally lower violent crime rates than we do in the UK too.
Yes because we're the only country to ban films and every other country in the world will allow it's release :rolleyes:
That's not what this page says:
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/hitsm.htm
Are rape scenes that are clearly meant to turn on sections of the audience "regular adult porn"?
I think some see this issue as being very black and white, when the reality is a million shades of grey.
I have no interest in HC2, but I did watch the uncut version of A Serbian Film and it stayed with me for months and in the end I regretted watching it. I think the problem with letting everything in is you'll just get stronger and stronger content and the line needs to be drawn somewhere. I don't think it's easy figuring out where though.
I don't think my reply was to you.
I can't find the post now but anyway- Playusa.com (as run by Play.com) closed down ages ago.
And while Amazon UK won't be able to supply it they will list it so you can buy it from suppliers outside the UK just as you can for Murder Set Pieces
Pretty desperate if you need to use China as an example of how great the UK is.
The fact is that most other countries will have no problems with the film and it will go largely unnoticed .
Your decision is not to watch it - fine.
But yet you applaud the decision for that choice to be taken away from everybody else.
As I said - the rest of Europe /USA has no problems but people like you make it clear that the poor old UK population obviously are not intelligent enough to make up their own mind like the rest of the world can.
And know your facts.
The BBFC clearly stated that cuts would NOT make the film acceptable - it IS banned:rolleyes:
Here's a radical suggestion for you if you don't want to watch either of them: Don't! Nobody's forcing you...:rolleyes:
And why exactly does a person have to be "sick" to want to watch something like this? What a load of Daily Mail inspired horseshit. It's a horror film, it's designed to be "horrifying", that's why horror fans like to watch these types of films, it's not because we're "sick", it's because we like to be scared/grossed out.
Nope like i said further up, we wont be the only place that does but there will be countries that wont ban it or even cut it so why should the UK or any other country that does? :rolleyes:
Yes, this clear evidence that our censorship is not required for the reasons we get has been known to politicians fr decades yet on all their fact finding jollies they never seem to ask why this could be .
So called "free" countries yes.
Australia seem to be having their own video nasties era at the moment but by and large Europe and the US will have no issues with the film.
In the US there will likely be a cut version to get the R rating but they have the option to release unrated material too
That's what they were saying about A Serbian Film for months though, and in the end the USA unrated version of that film was cut.
Thats odd because I'm sure there was a UK release of the film on VHS.
3 years after the James Bulger killing seems slightly OTT.
I read elsewhere that the film was released but then withdrawn.
I'll double check- thanks for that link
Edit - the tape was released in Ireland .
There are some dvd imports too.
Rape scenes in porn are rare - and they would be banned in the UK.
Rape scenes in mainstream movies like I Spit On Your Grave and Last House On the Left are not there to turn sections of the audience on anyway.
They do though.