Okay, I thought I'd put a perspective on this in a way I haven't before, but it's difficult!
Doctor Who hasn't really got worse as a show, it's just that I'm not enjoying it quite as much. It's going though one of those phases akin to several in Classic Who that I'm not so keen on either. Seasons 3, 7, 11, 14 and 24 are all Seasons I don't rate as highly as all the others.
What I find interesting here is all of the seasons you cite as your least favourite are so different from each other, and at least two of them (7 and 14) are usually regarded as among the best ever produced! Taste is a very personal thing, I guess...
Really? Then how come when I talk to friends they have the same opinion that Moffatt's regime has stopped them watching?
Because you don't like it, and you naturally associate with people with similar tastes to yourself. Most of my friends think it's improved, for the same reason.
Oh, and to respond to the person who mentioned there being less Who related merchandise in the shops and who wondered if this indicated a drop in demand (sorry, I forgot to hit the multi-quote button); no, that isn't it. I deal in collectibles myself and know several others who do so on a much larger scale, and what I'm hearing is, there's as much new merchandise out there as ever (rather more, if you factor in all the new ranges dedicated to classic series stuff). Trouble is, virtually none of it is reaching the high street stores, or even smaller specialist retailers like Who One Ltd, because much of it is tied up in various 'exclusive' deals with Forbidden Planet, and much of the rest slowly trickles down to Toys R US and nowhere else. FP have effectively cornered the Doctor Who merchandise market internationally, and nobody else can get a look in!.
Actually, the answer to this one might lie in something a bit more simple than "has Who gotten worse". The better question is "has Who changed". Allow me to expand on that:
Doctor Who has always been a show that thrives on change. Compare the stories from one Doctor to any other and the differences are always clear and sometimes remarkable. This is a great strength of the show but it's also something that is almost utterly alien in todays TV landscape. Nowadays if you want to change a show you create a spinoff or just start another show within the same universe. The thought, for instance, of keeping Star Trek: TNG going by having Picard promoted to Admiral and someone else take over as Captain of the Enterprise with a mostly new crew is almost laughable.
Now let's jump back to 2005. The show returns and is extremely popular but is still very much finding its feet. Doc 9 bows out after just one series but viewers haven't really had a chance to get to know him that well so the shock isn't that bad and Rose is still there along with the same TARDIS set. 10 rolls up and has a very popular four years and 46 episodes including some of the best Who stories ever told. At the same time you've got the Rose plot running through his entire tenure and, at the end, a HUGE amount of references back to other characters in his run. And then, suddenly, he's gone and the focus of Who switches to a different approach with different characters. It makes a pretty clean break - the right decision for the show - but it's a hell of a shock to that portion of the audience who came to the show with the new series and simply aren't used to this change.
So some turn off. Some turn off very loudly and with levels of drama that should get them immediately commissioned by BBC4 as a mini-series. As with most things in the 21st century they take to the Internets to complain. At length. There are complaints that Moffat has ruined the show, that Smith isn't as good (read: as sexy to some fangirls) as Tennant, that Karen Gillan can't act, that things are too complicated etc etc etc.
But here's the thing... the ratings and merchandise and general popularity of the show don't change, or if they do they trend upwards. Don't forget we had a full-on live stage show touring the country last year, there's a massive Who exhibition in London squatting in Olympia 2 and now there's a live stage show.. uh, thing in Manchester. How's that possible if people are switching off because 'it's ruined forever'?
Simple really: There's a whole new generation coming to the show. As always with Who we do have to remember it's a kids show first and foremost (note, not saying it's ONLY a kids show, just that they are the primary audience). There's always been a pretty high churn in its audience but it doesn't matter as the next generation get THEIR Doctor and THEIR companions. The more, uh, permanent fans of the show ride it from one form to another, those who drop it when things change go away. The only difference, really, is that now they don't go away quietly and, as always, the Internet vastly over-amplifies their voice and opinions.
So no, it hasn't gotten worse, it's only changed into something different. This is what sets Doctor Who apart, its biggest strength in fact, and it should be celebrated for that.
I think season 14 is as good as any other from that time so i can't quite understand why your not keen on it.
Agree with this fully, been interested in the show since 2005 and almost became a fan but then Tennant came along and i just didn't like his portrayal of the Doctor but i still watched most episodes and it wasn't until Matt came along that i became fully interested and kind of a fan again.
What I find interesting here is all of the seasons you cite as your least favourite are so different from each other, and at least two of them (7 and 14) are usually regarded as among the best ever produced! Taste is a very personal thing, I guess...
Okay, gonna try and explain about Season 14. I enjoy watching Season 13 a lot but this Season seemed so far removed from what had gone before it was unreal. It seems Sarah's departure was the last link with the last few years. So there was no Sarah, a new Wooden Console Room which I hate and the show sort of has a feel to it, as if everything from before doesn't exist anymore. Plus, I'm not a huge fan of Talons Of Weng-Chiang so that's another reason! I guess as you say Tony it's a personal thing!
As for Series 3 and 7; Series 3 I don't like because of all the chopping and changing in cast. It has all the historicals I don't like in it and Galaxy Four was a complete bore. The only decent story in it was The Daleks Masterplan.
Series 7 I don't like because it was too Earthbound, the stories were too long and because of that at times rather dull, especially the Silurian one.
So bringing it back on topic, this period we're going through now I think will rank alongside those in the future when I look back over Doctor Who. Such a long-running show is always going to have periods of it you don't like so much and periods you love to bits.
Okay, gonna try and explain about Season 14. I enjoy watching Season 13 a lot but this Season seemed so far removed from what had gone before it was unreal. It seems Sarah's departure was the last link with the last few years. So there was no Sarah, a new Wooden Console Room which I hate and the show sort of has a feel to it, as if everything from before doesn't exist anymore. Plus, I'm not a huge fan of Talons Of Weng-Chiang so that's another reason! I guess as you say Tony it's a personal thing!
As for Series 3 and 7; Series 3 I don't like because of all the chopping and changing in cast. It has all the historicals I don't like in it and Galaxy Four was a complete bore. The only decent story in it was The Daleks Masterplan.
Series 7 I don't like because it was too Earthbound, the stories were too long and because of that at times rather dull, especially the Silurian one.
So bringing it back on topic, this period we're going through now I think will rank alongside those in the future when I look back over Doctor Who. Such a long-running show is always going to have periods of it you don't like so much and periods you love to bits.
Reading your post directly after Smiddlehurst's (above; and it still isn't a children's show) is interesting, as the very things you seem to be saying you dislike about seasons 3, 7 and 14, and presumably the others too, seem to amount to exactly what he described: a complete change in direction. You even say that yourself about S14; that it feels 'as if everything from before doesn't exist anymore'. Which is what a lot of the newer fans seem to be having trouble coping with as regards the latest era. Could it be that you just don't like too much sudden change at once?
This thread is illogical. It's just the vocal minority, OP. Those who can't get over David and Russell's departure, so they lavish hate on the new series.
As others have pointed out, if it has gotten worse, the ratings should have slumped dramatically.
In other words, it's simply changed. Not gotten worse. Any one who thinks Doctor Who is ruined is simply a fool who refuses to accept that it is still popular and still loved by millions, simply because it is not to their tastes any more.
Incorrect. The viewing figures are pretty much the same as ever, and the shows record breaking iplayer ratings of the last two series aren't even included in the viewing figures in any case. All that has changed, in line with wider trends in tv, is that the show time shifts a higher percentage of it's viewers than used to be the case, but final ratings are still much the same on average.
7.94m - Series 1
7.71m - Series 2
7.55m - Series 3
8.05m - Series 4
7.73m - Series 5
7.65m -Series 6 (to date)
That's good to know. I said as far as I know, because all the ratings I've seen for series 5 and 6 were in the 4 and 5 millions. I thought that included time shift, but thinking about it, it probably doesn't.
That's good to know. I said as far as I know, because all the ratings I've seen for series 5 and 6 were in the 4 and 5 millions. I thought that included time shift, but thinking about it, it probably doesn't.
The ratings in the 4 and 5 millions were all overnights, not final figures. There's been a lot of discussion about this; Muttley76 has had to point it out enough times, in enough different threads, to drive most people to a nervous breakdown, but some of the naysayers are still ignoring it and citing the overnights as evidence that the show's popularity has dropped, even after the recent DWM article clarifying the situation.
Reading your post directly after Smiddlehurst's (above; and it still isn't a children's show) is interesting, as the very things you seem to be saying you dislike about seasons 3, 7 and 14, and presumably the others too, seem to amount to exactly what he described: a complete change in direction. You even say that yourself about S14; that it feels 'as if everything from before doesn't exist anymore'. Which is what a lot of the newer fans seem to be having trouble coping with as regards the latest era. Could it be that you just don't like too much sudden change at once?
Not at all Tony. I think I've made it very clear that my issues with the Moffat Era so far result a lot from pacing and the dreariness of the stories. I embrace change, Season 14 was still watchable regardless of what I felt about the general tone of it at the time.
There's no doubt change was needed, it's good the show has a new change of direction. And as I said previously, Series 6 is a big improvement on Series 5.
And as for not liking sudden change at once, I think you must apply this to yourself. You clearly don't like RTD's Era as it so different to the show you liked from the Classic Series so it works both ways. No doubt if a new showrunner came in and made it totally different to how it is now you'd be off moaning about it again!
The ratings in the 4 and 5 millions were all overnights, not final figures. There's been a lot of discussion about this; Muttley76 has had to point it out enough times, in enough different threads, to drive most people to a nervous breakdown, but some of the naysayers are still ignoring it and citing the overnights as evidence that the show's popularity has dropped, even after the recent DWM article clarifying the situation.
Okay, okay calm down! It isn't my fault that I haven't seen any of the comments made by any of the people you've mentioned. I was under the impression the the 4million/5million viewing figures were the final figures, because I thought I remembered reading it somewhere.
Okay, okay calm down! It isn't my fault that I haven't seen any of the comments made by any of the people you've mentioned. I was under the impression the the 4million/5million viewing figures were the final figures, because I thought I remembered reading it somewhere.
Don't worry about it, tingramretro (winner of this years "hardest forum handle to spell correctly" award) was talking about.. uh how to put this without being too insulting... umm, the more committed members of Who fandom who dislike Moffat and/or the 11th Doctor's era thus far and insist on constantly bringing up the overnight ratings, making some really random and factually innacurate statement about them and then spend post after post rubbishing all those who try to explain how those particular statistics work. This is doubly frustrating because, occasionaly, they get loud enough to convince people like yourself that what they're saying is true and thus the myth that Who's figures have dropped to some horrific level that means the show is (deep breath) DooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOmmmmmmmmmed! Oddly a large number of these people seem to work for the Daily Fail and other newspapers where you'd think they have fact checkers for things like this...
Funny that. When Series 5 came out, people were slagging it off for being too much about the companions, Amy being too competent, the Doctor not being able to save the day without her, etc., etc. How soon we all forget...
I've challenged people before on that, and I will again. You don't have to understand every event that went on in earlier episodes to understand the events of A Good Man Goes to War, as an example, despite it being the culmination of the half-series. With the possible exception of a brief grounding in River's background with the Doctor - which is in itself covered by her meeting with Rory - all you need is there. Amy's been kidnapped and had a baby, Rory and the Doctor are coming to get her.
Like I said, I was playing devil's advocate. I will continue to do so. You can understand things you don't enjoy. You can understand every single plot point in the episode but because you are not invested in the mystery of River or care about the characters of Amy and Rory then you could easily not enjoy the episode.
I want to maintain that I love the SM era, and in particular the episode in question. I'm just saying I can empathize with the people who do not.
No, the show hasnt gotten worse. People who complain are usually the ones that can't handle intelligent long running storylines or the on-the-nose humour, many who complain about Moffat had no problem when RTD would do the same things he's doing. It's largely because for many of them RTD introduced them to the DW universe, and not just that, painted his portrayal as very definitive for over five years, there not used to the idea the show has had many different writers and visions over the years. JNT haters plauged the show because it wasnt like the Holmes/Hinchcliffe era. I've always loved the JNT era, I grew up on it, but I appreciated the altered vision RTD, and now Moffat, provided. I can move on and appreciate new eras, some people simply can't out of nostalgia and biased loyalty to what they knew for so long.
In the classic series, one of the things that was so wonderful was the fact that you really didn't know what would happen next. The Doctor and his companions might be in the distant past in this story, on some alien planet in the next one, hitch a ride on a spaceship in the far future in the one after that, and none of these settings or adventures had to relate to each other in any way.
But that's a completely false impression, because as a serialised story, each chapter was completely dependent on the ones that came before. You can argue all you like about the length of each episode, but the fact remains that it still required people to tune in on a regular basis and know what was going on.
Like I said, I was playing devil's advocate. I will continue to do so. You can understand things you don't enjoy. You can understand every single plot point in the episode but because you are not invested in the mystery of River or care about the characters of Amy and Rory then you could easily not enjoy the episode.
I want to maintain that I love the SM era, and in particular the episode in question. I'm just saying I can empathize with the people who do not.
Sorry, I think you might have picked up a different meaning to what I was trying to convey. I meant 'understand' in the sense of 'have watched previous episodes and know what the writers are referring to". You don't need to know Amy's history to know how important she is to the Doctor and Rory, and anyone who's ever seen a mother with her child will understand the emotional tie between the two. The rest is just facts and detail.
During the RTD era there were as many people slagging his era off, it's the nature of elements of fandom to spend most of the time whinging about the show they claim to love, unfortunetly..
I wouldn't call whinging! I think it's that people who loved the classic series tuned in in 2005 to expect a direct continuation, or at least a similar style. But they got something even they didn't expect! For those who were disappointed but stuck with it, SM's era has been more of a return in the style of Classic Who whereas for those who absolutely loved the RTD era have found the SM era a lot different. I think that's why people like me and Granny have still watched and enjoyed it immensely but not as much as we did during the RTD years.
Empty vessels and all that. It's probably alot more fun for some people to slag something off than to praise it.
We are in an era (not just SM, but Nu Who) where the series is absolutely superb, pretty consistent, and is as popular as it rightly should be - it's possible that it had a slightly higher profile in the public psyche during DT's era - certainly I'd say that DT is more a household name than Matt - but it's still drawing in massive viewing figures, it's still the mainstay of the Beeb's Christmas schedule, it's had a massive live tour and various popular exhibitions are running. If people wish to criticise, that's fine, but most people's arguments against don't bear alot of scrutiny, even accepting personal taste etc. Dr Who is an excellent, well-made show, end of, and there's still nothing on TV anywhere in the world remotely like it. And NuWho has totally revitalised Saturday evening TV.
Empty vessels and all that. It's probably alot more fun for some people to slag something off than to praise it.
We are in an era (not just SM, but Nu Who) where the series is absolutely superb, pretty consistent, and is as popular as it rightly should be - it's possible that it had a slightly higher profile in the public psyche during DT's era - certainly I'd say that DT is more a household name than Matt - but it's still drawing in massive viewing figures, it's still the mainstay of the Beeb's Christmas schedule, it's had a massive live tour and various popular exhibitions are running. If people wish to criticise, that's fine, but most people's arguments against don't bear alot of scrutiny, even accepting personal taste etc. Dr Who is an excellent, well-made show, end of, and there's still nothing on TV anywhere in the world remotely like it. And NuWho has totally revitalised Saturday evening TV.
Not bad for a show that's "getting worse"!!
Yep. They (the beeb) just need to respect it more by giving it a consistent timeslot and to stop it propping up ailing reality shows!
And stop putting it after crap like Don't Scare The hare(or whatever it was called) :rolleyes:
Absolutely! Btw, I always thought that "hare" was scary enough to be a DW monster! After all if they can have Bertie Bassett they can have a robotic hare! I wonder what happened to that little thing!
Absolutely! Btw, I always thought that "hare" was scary enough to be a DW monster! After all if they can have Bertie Bassett they can have a robotic hare! I wonder what happened to that little thing!
Oh, your post made me laugh so much!:D:D:D
I'd put it in DW and then get a Dalek to exterminate the bloody thing!
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Because you don't like it, and you naturally associate with people with similar tastes to yourself. Most of my friends think it's improved, for the same reason.
Oh, and to respond to the person who mentioned there being less Who related merchandise in the shops and who wondered if this indicated a drop in demand (sorry, I forgot to hit the multi-quote button); no, that isn't it. I deal in collectibles myself and know several others who do so on a much larger scale, and what I'm hearing is, there's as much new merchandise out there as ever (rather more, if you factor in all the new ranges dedicated to classic series stuff). Trouble is, virtually none of it is reaching the high street stores, or even smaller specialist retailers like Who One Ltd, because much of it is tied up in various 'exclusive' deals with Forbidden Planet, and much of the rest slowly trickles down to Toys R US and nowhere else. FP have effectively cornered the Doctor Who merchandise market internationally, and nobody else can get a look in!.
Doctor Who has always been a show that thrives on change. Compare the stories from one Doctor to any other and the differences are always clear and sometimes remarkable. This is a great strength of the show but it's also something that is almost utterly alien in todays TV landscape. Nowadays if you want to change a show you create a spinoff or just start another show within the same universe. The thought, for instance, of keeping Star Trek: TNG going by having Picard promoted to Admiral and someone else take over as Captain of the Enterprise with a mostly new crew is almost laughable.
Now let's jump back to 2005. The show returns and is extremely popular but is still very much finding its feet. Doc 9 bows out after just one series but viewers haven't really had a chance to get to know him that well so the shock isn't that bad and Rose is still there along with the same TARDIS set. 10 rolls up and has a very popular four years and 46 episodes including some of the best Who stories ever told. At the same time you've got the Rose plot running through his entire tenure and, at the end, a HUGE amount of references back to other characters in his run. And then, suddenly, he's gone and the focus of Who switches to a different approach with different characters. It makes a pretty clean break - the right decision for the show - but it's a hell of a shock to that portion of the audience who came to the show with the new series and simply aren't used to this change.
So some turn off. Some turn off very loudly and with levels of drama that should get them immediately commissioned by BBC4 as a mini-series. As with most things in the 21st century they take to the Internets to complain. At length. There are complaints that Moffat has ruined the show, that Smith isn't as good (read: as sexy to some fangirls) as Tennant, that Karen Gillan can't act, that things are too complicated etc etc etc.
But here's the thing... the ratings and merchandise and general popularity of the show don't change, or if they do they trend upwards. Don't forget we had a full-on live stage show touring the country last year, there's a massive Who exhibition in London squatting in Olympia 2 and now there's a live stage show.. uh, thing in Manchester. How's that possible if people are switching off because 'it's ruined forever'?
Simple really: There's a whole new generation coming to the show. As always with Who we do have to remember it's a kids show first and foremost (note, not saying it's ONLY a kids show, just that they are the primary audience). There's always been a pretty high churn in its audience but it doesn't matter as the next generation get THEIR Doctor and THEIR companions. The more, uh, permanent fans of the show ride it from one form to another, those who drop it when things change go away. The only difference, really, is that now they don't go away quietly and, as always, the Internet vastly over-amplifies their voice and opinions.
So no, it hasn't gotten worse, it's only changed into something different. This is what sets Doctor Who apart, its biggest strength in fact, and it should be celebrated for that.
Okay, gonna try and explain about Season 14. I enjoy watching Season 13 a lot but this Season seemed so far removed from what had gone before it was unreal. It seems Sarah's departure was the last link with the last few years. So there was no Sarah, a new Wooden Console Room which I hate and the show sort of has a feel to it, as if everything from before doesn't exist anymore. Plus, I'm not a huge fan of Talons Of Weng-Chiang so that's another reason! I guess as you say Tony it's a personal thing!
As for Series 3 and 7; Series 3 I don't like because of all the chopping and changing in cast. It has all the historicals I don't like in it and Galaxy Four was a complete bore. The only decent story in it was The Daleks Masterplan.
Series 7 I don't like because it was too Earthbound, the stories were too long and because of that at times rather dull, especially the Silurian one.
So bringing it back on topic, this period we're going through now I think will rank alongside those in the future when I look back over Doctor Who. Such a long-running show is always going to have periods of it you don't like so much and periods you love to bits.
Reading your post directly after Smiddlehurst's (above; and it still isn't a children's show) is interesting, as the very things you seem to be saying you dislike about seasons 3, 7 and 14, and presumably the others too, seem to amount to exactly what he described: a complete change in direction. You even say that yourself about S14; that it feels 'as if everything from before doesn't exist anymore'. Which is what a lot of the newer fans seem to be having trouble coping with as regards the latest era. Could it be that you just don't like too much sudden change at once?
Indeed. I also think Smith has been my favourite 'new' Doctor too.
Each to their own I suppose.
As others have pointed out, if it has gotten worse, the ratings should have slumped dramatically.
In other words, it's simply changed. Not gotten worse. Any one who thinks Doctor Who is ruined is simply a fool who refuses to accept that it is still popular and still loved by millions, simply because it is not to their tastes any more.
That's good to know. I said as far as I know, because all the ratings I've seen for series 5 and 6 were in the 4 and 5 millions. I thought that included time shift, but thinking about it, it probably doesn't.
The ratings in the 4 and 5 millions were all overnights, not final figures. There's been a lot of discussion about this; Muttley76 has had to point it out enough times, in enough different threads, to drive most people to a nervous breakdown, but some of the naysayers are still ignoring it and citing the overnights as evidence that the show's popularity has dropped, even after the recent DWM article clarifying the situation.
Not at all Tony. I think I've made it very clear that my issues with the Moffat Era so far result a lot from pacing and the dreariness of the stories. I embrace change, Season 14 was still watchable regardless of what I felt about the general tone of it at the time.
There's no doubt change was needed, it's good the show has a new change of direction. And as I said previously, Series 6 is a big improvement on Series 5.
And as for not liking sudden change at once, I think you must apply this to yourself. You clearly don't like RTD's Era as it so different to the show you liked from the Classic Series so it works both ways. No doubt if a new showrunner came in and made it totally different to how it is now you'd be off moaning about it again!
Okay, okay calm down! It isn't my fault that I haven't seen any of the comments made by any of the people you've mentioned. I was under the impression the the 4million/5million viewing figures were the final figures, because I thought I remembered reading it somewhere.
Don't worry about it, tingramretro (winner of this years "hardest forum handle to spell correctly" award) was talking about.. uh how to put this without being too insulting... umm, the more committed members of Who fandom who dislike Moffat and/or the 11th Doctor's era thus far and insist on constantly bringing up the overnight ratings, making some really random and factually innacurate statement about them and then spend post after post rubbishing all those who try to explain how those particular statistics work. This is doubly frustrating because, occasionaly, they get loud enough to convince people like yourself that what they're saying is true and thus the myth that Who's figures have dropped to some horrific level that means the show is (deep breath) DooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOmmmmmmmmmed! Oddly a large number of these people seem to work for the Daily Fail and other newspapers where you'd think they have fact checkers for things like this...
'Tis a tad frustrating
Like I said, I was playing devil's advocate. I will continue to do so. You can understand things you don't enjoy. You can understand every single plot point in the episode but because you are not invested in the mystery of River or care about the characters of Amy and Rory then you could easily not enjoy the episode.
I want to maintain that I love the SM era, and in particular the episode in question. I'm just saying I can empathize with the people who do not.
But that's a completely false impression, because as a serialised story, each chapter was completely dependent on the ones that came before. You can argue all you like about the length of each episode, but the fact remains that it still required people to tune in on a regular basis and know what was going on.
Sorry, I think you might have picked up a different meaning to what I was trying to convey. I meant 'understand' in the sense of 'have watched previous episodes and know what the writers are referring to". You don't need to know Amy's history to know how important she is to the Doctor and Rory, and anyone who's ever seen a mother with her child will understand the emotional tie between the two. The rest is just facts and detail.
lol brilliant.
I suppose it proves that people are just generally fearful of change.
I wouldn't call whinging! I think it's that people who loved the classic series tuned in in 2005 to expect a direct continuation, or at least a similar style. But they got something even they didn't expect! For those who were disappointed but stuck with it, SM's era has been more of a return in the style of Classic Who whereas for those who absolutely loved the RTD era have found the SM era a lot different. I think that's why people like me and Granny have still watched and enjoyed it immensely but not as much as we did during the RTD years.
Empty vessels and all that. It's probably alot more fun for some people to slag something off than to praise it.
We are in an era (not just SM, but Nu Who) where the series is absolutely superb, pretty consistent, and is as popular as it rightly should be - it's possible that it had a slightly higher profile in the public psyche during DT's era - certainly I'd say that DT is more a household name than Matt - but it's still drawing in massive viewing figures, it's still the mainstay of the Beeb's Christmas schedule, it's had a massive live tour and various popular exhibitions are running. If people wish to criticise, that's fine, but most people's arguments against don't bear alot of scrutiny, even accepting personal taste etc. Dr Who is an excellent, well-made show, end of, and there's still nothing on TV anywhere in the world remotely like it. And NuWho has totally revitalised Saturday evening TV.
Not bad for a show that's "getting worse"!!
Yep. They (the beeb) just need to respect it more by giving it a consistent timeslot and to stop it propping up ailing reality shows!
And stop putting it after crap like Don't Scare The hare(or whatever it was called) :rolleyes:
Absolutely! Btw, I always thought that "hare" was scary enough to be a DW monster! After all if they can have Bertie Bassett they can have a robotic hare! I wonder what happened to that little thing!
Oh god, I was almost willing to miss the beginning of episodes just to avoid that. It made my toes curl.
Oh, your post made me laugh so much!:D:D:D
I'd put it in DW and then get a Dalek to exterminate the bloody thing!
Damn thing always overrun every week as well which made it worse! :eek: