I was taken to task a few years back, when discussing the film The Third Man, and I commented that it was about the black market. Couldn't say black coffee either.
Coloured is only derogatory because during apartheid in the deep South of the USA and South Africa - it clearly defined 'what' someone was ie. in entitlements and the way they would be treated.
White was white
Black was black
Coloured always meant mixed race and these people were treated more harshly than those who were clearly black.
Signs saying "no blacks or coloureds" were commonplace in shop windows, restaurants etc.
It is the memories of this disgusting segregation that gives the word "coloured" the bad name it has. That's why it is not appropriate to be used.
Coloured is only derogatory because during apartheid in the deep South of the USA and South Africa - it clearly defined 'what' someone was ie. in entitlements and the way they would be treated.
White was white
Black was black
Coloured always meant mixed race and these people were treated more harshly than those who were clearly black.
Signs saying "no blacks or coloureds" were commonplace in shop windows, restaurants etc.
It is the memories of this disgusting segregation that gives the word "coloured" the bad name it has. That's why it is not appropriate to be used.
Given that explanation (which i dont doubt for a second), it does beg the question that if its "No blacks or coloureds" segregation that has prompted theoutlawing the use of the word "coloured" why is black still seen as acceptable?
My Grandparents still use the term 'coloured', it used to be the PC term before it was decided by the powers that be to be un-PC. Probably without the input of any ethnic minority group
I was brought up using the word 'coloured' but I still manage not to use it now as I do know it is not considered PC. It isn't difficult. I do think that he didn't mean anything by it though.
Most of the somments from folk though and the vote being 84% to 16% against him being wrong in spite of them seemingly trying to lead it, shows how I expected a public reaction to be.
It's all getting a bit ridiculous if everytime anyone opens their mouth and uses a word which is not at the top of some group's approved lst, they are going to be slaughtered.
Though, even as I wrote that, I was thinking we are a colour too ( white, well more pink actually ), so I can see an arguement that it could be seen as a them and us term. There's your normal folk and there's your coloured hmm, I am sure Hansen didn't mean any offense, but maybe non-white would be more appropriate.
So, there is maybe a useful debate to be had, if it can be conducted without hyperbole and so much overreaction from some folk .
Has hansen said this deliberately to make us all ask questions, he is a liverpool fan and could be saying such things to take some heat off the club, who have acted pretty stupidly throughout this whole thing.
Has hansen said this deliberately to make us all ask questions, he is a liverpool fan and could be saying such things to take some heat off the club, who have acted pretty stupidly throughout this whole thing.
Or do I give him to much credit?
I think the behaviour of Liverpool FC since the verdict has made people ask enough questions and he would have had to turn up in a KKK mask with a buring cross to take the heat off the club for that.
Has hansen said this deliberately to make us all ask questions, he is a liverpool fan and could be saying such things to take some heat off the club, who have acted pretty stupidly throughout this whole thing.
Or do I give him too much credit?
You give him too much credit. He has not remotely thought that there was an issue in what he was saying.
Given that explanation (which i dont doubt for a second), it does beg the question that if its "No blacks or coloureds" segregation that has prompted theoutlawing the use of the word "coloured" why is black still seen as acceptable?
Do you know Ralphie - I don't know for sure?
Possibly something to do with being seen as 'coloured' was SO heinous and MUCH worse than being black. This was because of the perception that your parents must have broken segregation laws (don't get me started on colonialism!). It could of course have been many generations before you came along as well..........
This also explains why people of mixed race/heritage, particularly in the USA will claim being black as their ethnicity due to the historical connotations.
I think the behaviour of Liverpool FC since the verdict has made people ask enough questions and he would have had to turn up in a KKK mask with a buring cross to take the heat off the club for that.
I agree. Their refusal to condemn Suarez and to even paint him as some victim in this case is deplorable.
I grew up with a half caste brother and then suddenly someone decided that half caste wasn't acceptable and it now had to be mixed race. I still refer to him as half caste.
Possibly something to do with being seen as 'coloured' was SO heinous and MUCH worse than being black. This was because of the perception that your parents must have broken segregation laws (don't get me started on colonialism!). It could of course have been many generations before you came along as well..........
This also explains why people of mixed race/heritage, particularly in the USA will claim being black as their ethnicity due to the historical connotations.
You could well be right. It just shows what a potential minefield the whole thing is.
If you see someone mugging an old lady and he ain't white - which apparently isn't a racist term - can you say he's black or coloured or do you restrict your self to saying he wasn't white officer?
If you see someone mugging an old lady and he ain't white - which apparently isn't a racist term - can you say he's black or coloured or do you restrict your self to saying he wasn't white officer?
What delicate flowers these PC types.
If you call someone coloured they could be black, white, pink or yellow etc, so it makes no sense.
I agree. Their refusal to condemn Suarez and to even paint him as some victim in this case is deplorable.
If Liverpool believe Suarez is innocent then they have every right to support him and not condemn him. The way they have gone about doing it is certainly questionable, but not the fact that they choose to back Suarez.
I'm black, and would be offended if someone referred to me as coloured. However, I don't feel for one second Alan Hansen meant any offence whatsoever, and I agree this outrage is a bit bonkers.
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Coloured is only derogatory because during apartheid in the deep South of the USA and South Africa - it clearly defined 'what' someone was ie. in entitlements and the way they would be treated.
White was white
Black was black
Coloured always meant mixed race and these people were treated more harshly than those who were clearly black.
Signs saying "no blacks or coloureds" were commonplace in shop windows, restaurants etc.
It is the memories of this disgusting segregation that gives the word "coloured" the bad name it has. That's why it is not appropriate to be used.
Given that explanation (which i dont doubt for a second), it does beg the question that if its "No blacks or coloureds" segregation that has prompted theoutlawing the use of the word "coloured" why is black still seen as acceptable?
I was brought up using the word 'coloured' but I still manage not to use it now as I do know it is not considered PC. It isn't difficult. I do think that he didn't mean anything by it though.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12/22/alan-hansen-angers-match-_n_1164561.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D89606
Most of the somments from folk though and the vote being 84% to 16% against him being wrong in spite of them seemingly trying to lead it, shows how I expected a public reaction to be.
It's all getting a bit ridiculous if everytime anyone opens their mouth and uses a word which is not at the top of some group's approved lst, they are going to be slaughtered.
Though, even as I wrote that, I was thinking we are a colour too ( white, well more pink actually ), so I can see an arguement that it could be seen as a them and us term. There's your normal folk and there's your coloured hmm, I am sure Hansen didn't mean any offense, but maybe non-white would be more appropriate.
So, there is maybe a useful debate to be had, if it can be conducted without hyperbole and so much overreaction from some folk .
I honestly despair at times.
Our culture is racist - the fact that an issue has been made of this, frankly non-issue, is in itself racism.
What a joke
What an absolute joke. The article is completely absurd.
I cannot believe he was made to/felt the need to apologise for that.
Feel sorry for him.
It's a funny old word to be offended by, cos, after all, white is a colour as well, so we are ALL 'coloured', really, be it black, white or brown.
But no one ever seems to see it like that!
Or do I give him too much credit?
I think the behaviour of Liverpool FC since the verdict has made people ask enough questions and he would have had to turn up in a KKK mask with a buring cross to take the heat off the club for that.
You give him too much credit. He has not remotely thought that there was an issue in what he was saying.
Do you know Ralphie - I don't know for sure?
Possibly something to do with being seen as 'coloured' was SO heinous and MUCH worse than being black. This was because of the perception that your parents must have broken segregation laws (don't get me started on colonialism!). It could of course have been many generations before you came along as well..........
This also explains why people of mixed race/heritage, particularly in the USA will claim being black as their ethnicity due to the historical connotations.
I agree. Their refusal to condemn Suarez and to even paint him as some victim in this case is deplorable.
You could well be right. It just shows what a potential minefield the whole thing is.
If you see someone mugging an old lady and he ain't white - which apparently isn't a racist term - can you say he's black or coloured or do you restrict your self to saying he wasn't white officer?
What delicate flowers these PC types.
If you call someone coloured they could be black, white, pink or yellow etc, so it makes no sense.
"I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused. This was never my intention and I deeply regret the use of the word," said the 56-year-old.
Coloured implies they aren't black, in other words likely to be Asian not African but not white obviously.
You can't call 'em Pakistani cause they could be Indian and I can't tell the difference can you?
I doubt anyone would think someone is yellow or blue at least I've never seen anyone coloured bright yellow have you?
If Liverpool believe Suarez is innocent then they have every right to support him and not condemn him. The way they have gone about doing it is certainly questionable, but not the fact that they choose to back Suarez.