But they are representative of a cross section of society. Agencies use places like DS to see who and what is popular. It was amazing to see how quickly Elena Rivas was dropped once her unpopularity was revealed - via forums, comments on newspaper websites, ratings (being dropped first from DOI).
Again, it would be a very silly agency that did not take on board all opinions on their "packages" - we are, after all, their consumer base.
I agree, I think it was already proven in another thread her cronies are on this forum... Im sure Uncle max is too.. this is one of the largest places for goss etc in the UK it would be foolish to think they don't browse it.
I agree there is no way this place is not on the PR list of where to check... the Adele sex tape has had over 26 thousands views in a few days... which is very indicative of her popularity... the thread on Gilles Marini disappeared with less than 200 views which is indicative of the fact most people don't look unless they are interested.
Aren't all PR companies by their very nature risible?
I see the clients of CAN in the press on a regular basis... so they are doing their job.
The job of all PR companies is to gild the lily or blatantly lie about their clients for maximum exposure or protection... the only difference is CAN spin everything... other PR companies hide everything... it is an industry that by its very nature uses threats, bribery and injunctions to protect its clients regardless of whether they are innocent or guilty... PR companies defend income they don't give a flying crapola about character.
Personally I would take CAN over the PR companies protecting the likes of certain Russian billionaires... peadophile film directors and their ilk.
There is a middle ground. There are countless PR companies out there who provide a professional effective service for their clients because their clients 1. have a marketable talent and 2. behave in a way that doesn't require lily gilding or lying, and therefore don't need to resort to the type of activities or spin you describe. To try and suggest they are all the same is just plain wrong. Of course they all protect their clients (it's their job) and will do damage control when required (again, their job) but to paint them all as one and the same is, with the greatest of respect, nonsense.
No endorsements, no ad campaigns... CBB and IACGMOOH fodder. Talentless bottom feeders with aspirations no higher than a cover of Heat or OK magazine.
They get in the likes of the Daily Fail because churnalism (reproducing a supplied photo and press release) is cheap for the paper. When they do generate genuine news, it's never favourable for them, like Princess' burn, or Katie Price allegedly wanting a reconciliation.
I'm sure CAN's ideas for Michelle Mone will involve Amy Childs looking like a blow up doll and Nicola Mclean looking like funbagged freak in Ultimo's Tesco bras and knickers with Peter Andre perving over them.
There is a middle ground. There are countless PR companies out there who provide a professional effective service for their clients because their clients 1. have a marketable talent and 2. behave in a way that doesn't require lily gilding or lying, and therefore don't need to resort to the type of activities or spin you describe. To try and suggest they are all the same is just plain wrong. Of course they all protect their clients (it's their job) and will do damage control when required (again, their job) but to paint them all as one and the same is, with the greatest of respect, nonsense.
I think it says a lot about CAN that the clients that they get, and keep are those "famous for being famous" rather than for much else.
Aren't all PR companies by their very nature risible?
I see the clients of CAN in the press on a regular basis... so they are doing their job.
The job of all PR companies is to gild the lily or blatantly lie about their clients for maximum exposure or protection... the only difference is CAN spin everything... other PR companies hide everything... it is an industry that by its very nature uses threats, bribery and injunctions to protect its clients regardless of whether they are innocent or guilty... PR companies defend income they don't give a flying crapola about character.
Personally I would take CAN over the PR companies protecting the likes of certain Russian billionaires... peadophile film directors and their ilk.
Sorry, wanted to add this earlier.
"I see the clients of CAN in the press on a regular basis... so they are doing their job."
That just sums up perfectly the difference between a professional PR company and the likes of CAN: A good publicist only wants quality exposure for their clients. Meaningful brand-enhancing exposure. Daily exposure of the clown kind that CAN specialises in is NOT a publicist doing a good job!
It doesn't matter how much exposure CAN have on these forums if it is all negative exposure. All attempts by CAN to push these talentless non entities into the limelight are so transparent and laughable. Their methods don't vary. No other agent is as visible as CP. By her very presence you know that an interview or a situation is entirely staged or scripted. It is doing her clients an injustice. Not only are they talentless but appearing to have nothing interesting or any original thoughts of their own.
You sign with CAN you get panel shows, BB appearances, perfumes but no sustainable career IMO. Throw away celebrities basically.
I think it says a lot about CAN that the clients that they get, and keep are those "famous for being famous" rather than for much else.
Really ? Actually Aldo Zilli is famous in the world of cookery. And Michelle Mone is famous in the line of Lingerie Shops. And of course Pete is a talented song-writer who manages to sell-out tickets for venues big & small .And the non-person clients like FAKEBAKE are famous for their products. So not bad really and def not talentless.:)
Yes I'm sure it is.
And you are indeed correct in that PR/Management is a form of pimping. They push their people and then take a percentage of their earnings just like a pimp does....so in truth I think that a very observant comment.:)
CAN is the worst type of agency. Feed the mindless masses trash, served up on a daily basis. Use dubious tactics to keep their clients of miniscule or non existant talent or use in the public eye via dubious means. Wage alleged covert vendettas against ex clients or colleagues. I am not a PA fan but honestly the majority of that is probably down to CAN and their so called publicity tactics.
Manipulative is the first word that springs to mind.
But I'm sure that as long as the cash keeps coming in they will sleep the sleep of the self righteously arrogant.
Really ? Actually Aldo Zilli is famous in the world of cookery.
Pity his restaurants are so badly reviewed.
And Michelle Mone is famous in the line of Lingerie Shops.
Mone was famous before CAN got her. I shudder to think what their idea of an ad campaign for her will be.
And of course Pete is a talented song-writer who manages to sell-out tickets for venues big & small .And the non-person clients like FAKEBAKE are famous for their products. So not bad really and def not talentless.:)
It doesn't matter how much exposure CAN have on these forums if it is all negative exposure. All attempts by CAN to push these talentless non entities into the limelight are so transparent and laughable. Their methods don't vary. No other agent is as visible as CP. By her very presence you know that an interview or a situation is entirely staged or scripted. It is doing her clients an injustice. Not only are they talentless but appearing to have nothing interesting or any original thoughts of their own.
You sign with CAN you get panel shows, BB appearances, perfumes but no sustainable career IMO. Throw away celebrities basically.
Ah yes, but they are as aware as anyone where the most of the negativity springs from and will find it as amusing as most of us do, so I doubt they lose sleep over it,what with being so busy. Disgruntled ex clients who are fading tend to have a certain small number of people prepared to put the blame for the demise of the ex-client on their ex PR company. When in reality the ex-client is just talentless and not able to cope with reality when not under good management..
Actually I think their clients are quite happy counting their millions,opening beauty salons,Cafés,chains of Lingerie shops,restauraunts,tanning salons etc while making little appearances on telly now & then .
Ah yes, but they are as aware as anyone where the most of the negativity springs from and will find it as amusing as most of us do, so I doubt they lose sleep over it,what with being so busy. Disgruntled ex clients who are fading tend to have a certain small number of people prepared to put the blame for the demise of the ex-client on their ex PR company. When in reality the ex-client is just talentless and not able to cope with reality when not under good management..
Actually I think their clients are quite happy counting their millions,opening beauty salons,Cafés,chains of Lingerie shops,restauraunts,tanning salons etc while making little appearances on telly now & then .
Not really getting you here. They have done nothing to increase popularity of their clients IMO. They couldn't get the public onside with KK or Nic Mcmean and its only CAN telling us how popular Amy is. I saw the faces of fearne and Rufus when she was on Celeb Juice. Not really respected much as celebs IMO. If you measure money as success and popularity, I think you are mistaken.
Restaurant reviews vary with the reviewers varying tastes ...obviously.
The fact that Mone was famous BEFORE joining CAN is testament to the fact that a successful business woman looked round and opted for the cream of PR to represent her and obviously CAN fits the bill for her.
You THINK nobody buys his stuff because you wouldn't and poss know no-one who does either. But in the real world his 'stuff' sells adequately enough to give him a good income and keep him producing more 'stuff'. Besides,lucrative as it is, his 'stuff' is only part of his income. He is a popular and welcome guest on TV shows and has his column and TV shows. No longer filmed by Nev ,obviously.:)
Restaurant reviews vary with the reviewers varying tastes ...obviously.
The fact that Mone was famous BEFORE joining CAN is testament to the fact that a successful business woman looked round and opted for the cream of PR to represent her and obviously CAN fits the bill for her.
You THINK nobody buys his stuff because you wouldn't and poss know no-one who does either. But in the real world his 'stuff' sells adequately enough to give him a good income and keep him producing more 'stuff'. Besides,lucrative as it is, his 'stuff' is only part of his income. He is a popular and welcome guest on TV shows and has his column and TV shows. No longer filmed by Nev ,obviously.:)
Of course YOU are entitled to that opinion.
But clearly an uber-successful business woman and one of the leading tanning product franchises thought differently when they asked CAN to represent them .:)
There is a middle ground. There are countless PR companies out there who provide a professional effective service for their clients because their clients 1. have a marketable talent and 2. behave in a way that doesn't require lily gilding or lying, and therefore don't need to resort to the type of activities or spin you describe. To try and suggest they are all the same is just plain wrong. Of course they all protect their clients (it's their job) and will do damage control when required (again, their job) but to paint them all as one and the same is, with the greatest of respect, nonsense.
"I see the clients of CAN in the press on a regular basis... so they are doing their job."
That just sums up perfectly the difference between a professional PR company and the likes of CAN: A good publicist only wants quality exposure for their clients. Meaningful brand-enhancing exposure. Daily exposure of the clown kind that CAN specialises in is NOT a publicist doing a good job!
Unless you're a needy attention-seeking clown...
You have a point about picking extremes.
I don't like PR firms or spin... imo it is bulls*it... if something or someone is worthwhile/talented that is all the promotion they need... it has come to something when members of the public contact Max 'sleazebag' Clifford rather than a lawyer to claim their innocence. What I was trying to say was that CAN are not the worst out there.
I think 'needy attention-seeking clown' is a qualification needed for joining CAN surely? The caliber of their clients drastically limits what they can get for them... which is why you see them all doing the same thing over and over and over again... along with all the other zelebrities... it's not like the RSC are beating down the door to offer AC the role of Rosalind. :D:D
I think for what they are and what 'talent' their clients have to offer CAN do an ok job for them... they are by their very lack of ability recyclable and interchangeable. That is why it is very unlikely we will ever see Dame Judi joining the stable as the leap between milieu's is not something CP could do imo and anyone with genuine talent knows that.
I don't like PR firms or spin... imo it is bulls*it... if something or someone is worthwhile/talented that is all the promotion they need... it has come to something when members of the public contact Max 'sleazebag' Clifford rather than a lawyer to claim their innocence. What I was trying to say was that CAN are not the worst out there.
I think 'needy attention-seeking clown' is a qualification needed for joining CAN surely? The caliber of their clients drastically limits what they can get for them... which is why you see them all doing the same thing over and over and over again... along with all the other zelebrities... it's not like the RSC are beating down the door to offer AC the role of Rosalind. :D:D
I think for what they are and what 'talent' their clients have to offer CAN do an ok job for them... they are by their very lack of ability recyclable and interchangeable. That is why it is very unlikely we will ever see Dame Judi joining the stable as the leap between milieu's is not something CP could do imo and anyone with genuine talent knows that.
I agree LAO. As the PR of choice for the fame desperate wannabe, they do exactly what it says on the tin. If your dream of being famous involves reality tv, being the butt of jokes of panel shows and turning up at the opening of an envelope, CAN is the natural choice.
I agree LAO. As the PR of choice for the fame desperate wannabe, they do exactly what it says on the tin. If your dream of being famous involves reality tv, being the butt of jokes of panel shows and turning up at the opening of an envelope, CAN is the natural choice.
If CAN can only be compared to Black Sheep then its great, are there any other agencies they can be compared to?
They might have Michelle Moan but she only signed up just after her marriage split, I wonder if she plans on furthering her reality TV career and getting out there to meet people, PA normally gets promoted along with the CAN ladies.....I wonder how long before they appear together at a function...That is what CAN do best.
If CAN can only be compared to Black Sheep then its not a good thing, there any other agencies they can be compared to?
They might have Michelle Moan but she only signed up just after her marriage split, I wonder if she plans on furthering her reality TV career and getting out there to meet people, PA normally gets promoted along with the CAN ladies.....I wonder how long before they appear together at a function...That is what CAN do best.
Hmmm - Holding a Danielle-sister-of-scary-spice-who-was-in-emmerdale-for-five-minutes-but-now-makes/sells-cakes Cup cake while drinking a coffee, after a plate of pasta made by good-friend-Ald, served by good-friend-Amy, while brother-michael serenades.
Hmmm - Holding a Danielle-sister-of-scary-spice-who-was-in-emmerdale-for-five-minutes-but-now-makes/sells-cakes Cup cake while drinking a coffee, after a plate of pasta made by good-friend-Ald, served by good-friend-Amy, while brother-michael serenades.
I bet that has already been put to Michelle moan, dont forget a holiday to Dubia with the kids;)
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I agree there is no way this place is not on the PR list of where to check... the Adele sex tape has had over 26 thousands views in a few days... which is very indicative of her popularity... the thread on Gilles Marini disappeared with less than 200 views which is indicative of the fact most people don't look unless they are interested.
There is a middle ground. There are countless PR companies out there who provide a professional effective service for their clients because their clients 1. have a marketable talent and 2. behave in a way that doesn't require lily gilding or lying, and therefore don't need to resort to the type of activities or spin you describe. To try and suggest they are all the same is just plain wrong. Of course they all protect their clients (it's their job) and will do damage control when required (again, their job) but to paint them all as one and the same is, with the greatest of respect, nonsense.
What a lovely image.
I think it says a lot about CAN that the clients that they get, and keep are those "famous for being famous" rather than for much else.
Sorry, wanted to add this earlier.
"I see the clients of CAN in the press on a regular basis... so they are doing their job."
That just sums up perfectly the difference between a professional PR company and the likes of CAN: A good publicist only wants quality exposure for their clients. Meaningful brand-enhancing exposure. Daily exposure of the clown kind that CAN specialises in is NOT a publicist doing a good job!
Unless you're a needy attention-seeking clown...
Because like someone else, CAN are only good when compared to something hated...which, as we all know, is a strange form of defence for anything.
You sign with CAN you get panel shows, BB appearances, perfumes but no sustainable career IMO. Throw away celebrities basically.
Really ? Actually Aldo Zilli is famous in the world of cookery. And Michelle Mone is famous in the line of Lingerie Shops. And of course Pete is a talented song-writer who manages to sell-out tickets for venues big & small .And the non-person clients like FAKEBAKE are famous for their products. So not bad really and def not talentless.:)
And you are indeed correct in that PR/Management is a form of pimping. They push their people and then take a percentage of their earnings just like a pimp does....so in truth I think that a very observant comment.:)
Manipulative is the first word that springs to mind.
But I'm sure that as long as the cash keeps coming in they will sleep the sleep of the self righteously arrogant.
Nobody buys his stuff though.
Ah yes, but they are as aware as anyone where the most of the negativity springs from and will find it as amusing as most of us do, so I doubt they lose sleep over it,what with being so busy. Disgruntled ex clients who are fading tend to have a certain small number of people prepared to put the blame for the demise of the ex-client on their ex PR company. When in reality the ex-client is just talentless and not able to cope with reality when not under good management..
Actually I think their clients are quite happy counting their millions,opening beauty salons,Cafés,chains of Lingerie shops,restauraunts,tanning salons etc while making little appearances on telly now & then .
Not really getting you here. They have done nothing to increase popularity of their clients IMO. They couldn't get the public onside with KK or Nic Mcmean and its only CAN telling us how popular Amy is. I saw the faces of fearne and Rufus when she was on Celeb Juice. Not really respected much as celebs IMO. If you measure money as success and popularity, I think you are mistaken.
The fact that Mone was famous BEFORE joining CAN is testament to the fact that a successful business woman looked round and opted for the cream of PR to represent her and obviously CAN fits the bill for her.
You THINK nobody buys his stuff because you wouldn't and poss know no-one who does either. But in the real world his 'stuff' sells adequately enough to give him a good income and keep him producing more 'stuff'. Besides,lucrative as it is, his 'stuff' is only part of his income. He is a popular and welcome guest on TV shows and has his column and TV shows. No longer filmed by Nev ,obviously.:)
The no-brand skimmed milk of PR more like.
But clearly an uber-successful business woman and one of the leading tanning product franchises thought differently when they asked CAN to represent them .:)
You have a point about picking extremes.
I don't like PR firms or spin... imo it is bulls*it... if something or someone is worthwhile/talented that is all the promotion they need... it has come to something when members of the public contact Max 'sleazebag' Clifford rather than a lawyer to claim their innocence. What I was trying to say was that CAN are not the worst out there.
I think 'needy attention-seeking clown' is a qualification needed for joining CAN surely? The caliber of their clients drastically limits what they can get for them... which is why you see them all doing the same thing over and over and over again... along with all the other zelebrities... it's not like the RSC are beating down the door to offer AC the role of Rosalind.
I think for what they are and what 'talent' their clients have to offer CAN do an ok job for them... they are by their very lack of ability recyclable and interchangeable. That is why it is very unlikely we will ever see Dame Judi joining the stable as the leap between milieu's is not something CP could do imo and anyone with genuine talent knows that.
I agree LAO. As the PR of choice for the fame desperate wannabe, they do exactly what it says on the tin. If your dream of being famous involves reality tv, being the butt of jokes of panel shows and turning up at the opening of an envelope, CAN is the natural choice.
Sign away your dignity along with your soul.
They might have Michelle Moan but she only signed up just after her marriage split, I wonder if she plans on furthering her reality TV career and getting out there to meet people, PA normally gets promoted along with the CAN ladies.....I wonder how long before they appear together at a function...That is what CAN do best.
Hmmm - Holding a Danielle-sister-of-scary-spice-who-was-in-emmerdale-for-five-minutes-but-now-makes/sells-cakes Cup cake while drinking a coffee, after a plate of pasta made by good-friend-Ald, served by good-friend-Amy, while brother-michael serenades.
I bet that has already been put to Michelle moan, dont forget a holiday to Dubia with the kids;)