hopefully no matter what changes happen the public will never forgive their act of trechery
So what are people who live in seats, like the one I'm in, where the only real competition to the incumbent Tory has been a Lib Dem? There is absolutely no way that enough people would move to Labour, and I can't see myself voting for them either, not after their last time in government.
I guess I'm going to either not vote or vote for a smaller party and just give up any chance of my vote meaning anything. Seems like a rather poor version of democracy to me.
Plenty of time for things to totally change. That's a long time in politics.
While 3 years is an extremely long time, I cannot for the life of me see how the support they've lost to Labour will ever return. These people now see a vote for the Lib Dems as essentially a vote for the Tory party they tribally loathe. Lib Dems are whistling in the wind if they think they can win these votes back.
I think there will be a shift back to basics and a rebranding of The Liberal Party. Nobody knows what the Lib-Dems are - now less than ever.
They need to start again from scratch.
It would certainly fit with their recent historical pattern. I can see some defections to Labour if things don't improve for them. The part of the party that has never been that happy with joining up with the Tories won't stay quiet forever.
While 3 years is an extremely long time, I cannot for the life of me see how the support they've lost to Labour will ever return. These people now see a vote for the Lib Dems as essentially a vote for the Tory party they tribally loathe. Lib Dems are whistling in the wind if they think they can win these votes back.
They will benefit in Tory/Labour marginals though where they will gain votes to keep Labour out precisely because they did the honourable thing and backed the largest party. It is mid term - parties in mid term always get hit unless you are Labour in opposition and lose (out to) Respect.:D
When it comes to the prospect of a Milliband - Balls ticket voters will come to their senses.
It would certainly fit with their recent historical pattern. I can see some defections to Labour if things don't improve for them. The part of the party that has never been that happy with joining up with the Tories won't stay quiet forever.
Whilst the part of the party that detests Labour more than the Tories will be reasonably content and they will probably pick up tactical Tory votes in Lab/Lib marginals. Thats the thing with a centre party they can lose on the one side and gain on another,
They will benefit in Tory/Labour marginals though where they will gain votes to keep Labour out precisely because they did the honourable thing and backed the largest party. It is mid term - parties in mid term always get hit unless you are Labour in opposition and lose (out to) Respect.:D
When it comes to the prospect of a Milliband - Balls ticket voters will come to their senses.
After 3 more years of the Tories I think that Labour will pick up plenty of votes. It really depends on whether the economy picks up. There are a lot of very pissed off young people out there at the moment, but historically they've just not bothered to vote at all. If they could be persuaded to use their votes then the Tories are in real trouble.
They will benefit in Tory/Labour marginals though where they will gain votes to keep Labour out precisely because they did the honourable thing and backed the largest party. It is mid term - parties in mid term always get hit unless you are Labour in opposition and lose (out to) Respect.:D
When it comes to the prospect of a Milliband - Balls ticket voters will come to their senses.
Plenty of time for things to totally change. That's a long time in politics.
Exactly.
I remember at the time of the Iraq war - all those left wingers moving to the Lib Dems and saying they would never vote Labour again. Funny that - it didn't take them long to get over that.
If people can forgive Labour for starting an illegal war that led to the death of over 100,000+ Iraqi civilians maybe one day in the near future the Lib Dems will get forgiven over tuition fees and pasty taxes and recover support. Cos the British people have very short memories.
As for the death of the Lib Dems - well the Liberals have been around for nearly 200 years. In the 1950s they had less than 5 seats. They've survived far worse than this!
Thre surge to the Lib Dems before the election came to nothing, so it's not illogical to conclude the surge away from them will arrive at a similar destination.
Thre surge to the Lib Dems before the election came to nothing, so it's not illogical to conclude the surge away from them will arrive at a similar destination.
of course ironic after all the hype they fought a lousy campaign it was lousy because a campaign is judged on the outcome
After 3 more years of the Tories I think that Labour will pick up plenty of votes. It really depends on whether the economy picks up. There are a lot of very pissed off young people out there at the moment, but historically they've just not bothered to vote at all. If they could be persuaded to use their votes then the Tories are in real trouble.
Oh yes.
The student vote didn't even come out last time, but they are the ones who are now complaining the loudest.
One thing is for certain, the LibDem capitulation is not going to hand votes to the party they capitulated to.
All Labour has to do is signal that it'll axe tuition fees, and the next election could become *very* interesting.
Why? Personally I think that without their influence the cuts would have been deeper, the lowest paid would not have been taken out of tax and any number of different plans (I.e. NHS) would have been structured very differently.
The Lib-Dems are a moderating influence on the Tories.
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So what are people who live in seats, like the one I'm in, where the only real competition to the incumbent Tory has been a Lib Dem? There is absolutely no way that enough people would move to Labour, and I can't see myself voting for them either, not after their last time in government.
I guess I'm going to either not vote or vote for a smaller party and just give up any chance of my vote meaning anything. Seems like a rather poor version of democracy to me.
While 3 years is an extremely long time, I cannot for the life of me see how the support they've lost to Labour will ever return. These people now see a vote for the Lib Dems as essentially a vote for the Tory party they tribally loathe. Lib Dems are whistling in the wind if they think they can win these votes back.
They need to start again from scratch.
Backing the party that acheived the most votes is treachery?
I think you will find that reports of the death of the Lib Dems will prove to be over exagerated.
It would certainly fit with their recent historical pattern. I can see some defections to Labour if things don't improve for them. The part of the party that has never been that happy with joining up with the Tories won't stay quiet forever.
They will benefit in Tory/Labour marginals though where they will gain votes to keep Labour out precisely because they did the honourable thing and backed the largest party. It is mid term - parties in mid term always get hit unless you are Labour in opposition and lose (out to) Respect.:D
When it comes to the prospect of a Milliband - Balls ticket voters will come to their senses.
Whilst the part of the party that detests Labour more than the Tories will be reasonably content and they will probably pick up tactical Tory votes in Lab/Lib marginals. Thats the thing with a centre party they can lose on the one side and gain on another,
After 3 more years of the Tories I think that Labour will pick up plenty of votes. It really depends on whether the economy picks up. There are a lot of very pissed off young people out there at the moment, but historically they've just not bothered to vote at all. If they could be persuaded to use their votes then the Tories are in real trouble.
As I said, keep whistling.
Exactly.
I remember at the time of the Iraq war - all those left wingers moving to the Lib Dems and saying they would never vote Labour again. Funny that - it didn't take them long to get over that.
If people can forgive Labour for starting an illegal war that led to the death of over 100,000+ Iraqi civilians maybe one day in the near future the Lib Dems will get forgiven over tuition fees and pasty taxes and recover support. Cos the British people have very short memories.
As for the death of the Lib Dems - well the Liberals have been around for nearly 200 years. In the 1950s they had less than 5 seats. They've survived far worse than this!
Despite him pricking about with the pensions, Steve Webb does some wonderful work for the community.
of course ironic after all the hype they fought a lousy campaign it was lousy because a campaign is judged on the outcome
Oh yes.
The student vote didn't even come out last time, but they are the ones who are now complaining the loudest.
One thing is for certain, the LibDem capitulation is not going to hand votes to the party they capitulated to.
All Labour has to do is signal that it'll axe tuition fees, and the next election could become *very* interesting.
What "act of trechery"?
jumping into to bed with the wicked torys
That was two years ago. Way to hold a grudge.
I assume you did vote for the LD's?
yes something i bitterly regret
Why? Personally I think that without their influence the cuts would have been deeper, the lowest paid would not have been taken out of tax and any number of different plans (I.e. NHS) would have been structured very differently.
The Lib-Dems are a moderating influence on the Tories.
I'm not interested in the opinion polls. I was asking for your opinion and why you regret voting for the Lib -Dems.
Don't you think they've been a moderating influence?