the problem is it potentially suggests a large number of other scenarios. that someone lost a milk tooth there. that a centuries old bone fragment may be 10 foot down under the foundations. that no body was ever there, but something that had been in contact with a body or near one might have been there. at any point in the last 200 years.
these are the claims being made for the dogs.
These dogs are highly trained, specialist pieces of kit. They are being used all over the world, by the FBI and whatever the FBI-ey local evivalent it. Martin Grimes was testifying in America with regard to a case only this month.
There, for some reason in this case, seems to a polarised view that if the McCanns are innocent then the dogs have to be wrong - but is that really the case.
the problem is it potentially suggests a large number of other scenarios. that someone lost a milk tooth there. that a centuries old bone fragment may be 10 foot down under the foundations. that no body was ever there, but something that had been in contact with a body or near one might have been there. at any point in the last 200 years.
these are the claims being made for the dogs.
Yet the dogs found alerted to nothing like this at anything else in the complex - despite extensive searching. When they alerted it was always at things connected with the McCanns. Really a very unlucky couple.
There, for some reason in this case, seems to a polarised view that if the McCanns are innocent then the dogs have to be wrong - but is that really the case.
Just suppose that both are right. What then?
well the question i am raising is 'right about what?' That a milk tooth might have been lost in the apartment at some point?
Yet the dogs found alerted to nothing like this at anything else in the complex - despite extensive searching. When they alerted it was always at things connected with the McCanns. Really a very unlucky couple.
well that would suggest the dogs are not as sensitive as claimed, and would then be demonstrated to have made false alerts at haute de la garenne, ie that false alerts are possible.
this is why i think it best to stick with the handlers' evaluation of the situation - he's the expert after all - no evidential or intelligence reliability to be placed on the alerts without corroborating evidence.
They are also doctors and so might have come in contact with deceased bodies. Unless washing clothes removes the scent, but I'd imagine that would also be the case weeks after the event if a scent was found in the hire car.
I'm somebody who saw that blog entry. It's not a myth - but frustratingly, there is no screen capture so no proof. I also saw a picture of Gerry with a suitcase which has also disappeared.
Yes me too. Also saw the photograph of Gerry with a suitcase taking the twins to the beach, which i thought was very odd, well it was a blue suitcase I think or perhaps large bag? But blue it was.
The thing is for me if you know you pick a place to holiday because of the tennis courts you take your own kit, racquet and bag surely...???
When i used to go on holiday abroad, I always took a bag specifically to carry my towels and costume and stuff for a day at the beach.
Its normal behaviour surely.
I often wondered about that bag.
Another thing to has everyone forgot about the wailing McCanns the photos of them with their bottoms up in the air on the beds wailing....and behind them a shocked PJ watching them. I swear to god that made me feel quite odd.
Those poor people it must have been such a shock to find her missing like that.
Someone who took her surely could have used the blue bag to carry her out, perhaps using a little chloroform to quieten her down, that would make sense to me.
Didnt 2 girls who were kidnapped get put in a bag some years ago, but they got out..sorry my memory is rubbish really its an MS brain fog thing lol.
Anyway i wish we had screen shot those blogs, i did have them on my computer but they disappeared....off the internet.
well that would suggest the dogs are not as sensitive as claimed, and would then be demonstrated to have made false alerts at haute de la garenne, ie that false alerts are possible.
this is why i think it best to stick with the handlers' evaluation of the situation - he's the expert after all - no evidential or intelligence reliability to be placed on the alerts without corroborating evidence.
Only "false alerts" at things related to the McCanns - despite being taken throughout the Ocean Club, Robert Murat's house, etc. What are the odds?
well that would suggest the dogs are not as sensitive as claimed, and would then be demonstrated to have made false alerts at haute de la garenne, ie that false alerts are possible.
this is why i think it best to stick with the handlers' evaluation of the situation - he's the expert after all - no evidential or intelligence reliability to be placed on the alerts without corroborating evidence.
No, it just means there was no scent of what they alert to.
Why is it so important to you to have the dogs ridiculed?
They are what they are and do what they do. For whatever reason, they did alert and while 'we' don't know what that was to it just goes in the file with all the other evidence as something to be remembered and kept in mind.
They are also doctors and so might have come in contact with deceased bodies. Unless washing clothes removes the scent, but I'd imagine that would also be the case weeks after the event if a scent was found in the hire car.
Several other doctors there as part of the group - yet only the McCanns get cadaver dog alerts. Such an unlucky couple.
Yes me too. Also saw the photograph of Gerry with a suitcase taking the twins to the beach, which i thought was very odd, well it was a blue suitcase I think or perhaps large bag? But blue it was.
There is a photo of a large blue bag in the bedroom cupboard where the dogs alerted. The blue bag subsequently disappeared.
Anyway i wish we had screen shot those blogs, i did have them on my computer but they disappeared....off the internet.
such technology doesn't exist. if it did it would command a price of billions from potentates, presidents, princes anxious to cover up their misdeeds as people seem to imagine the mccanns have somehow done.
BTW i don't want to worry you, but if you actually downloaded screenshots, then not only have 'they' wiped the net, they've also been in and wiped your personal computer, they are on to you!
if only they would use their super powers for good, eh?
They are also doctors and so might have come in contact with deceased bodies. Unless washing clothes removes the scent, but I'd imagine that would also be the case weeks after the event if a scent was found in the hire car.
Gerry is a cardiologist dealing with x-rays and scans and pacemakers and the like, from what I can remember?
Kate was a part-time GP.
I think the opportunities for dealing with the deceased would be few and far between really.
Then, of course, there is the fact they would need to be doing their day job in their holiday clothes.
Only "false alerts" at things related to the McCanns - despite being taken throughout the Ocean Club, Robert Murat's house, etc. What are the odds?
I gather this is from the Portuguese police files and that's why I asked earlier if all this had actually been corroborated by the British police, as I'd like to know if they've agreed with what's been released.
These dogs are highly trained, specialist pieces of kit. They are being used all over the world, by the FBI and whatever the FBI-ey local evivalent it. Martin Grimes was testifying in America with regard to a case only this month.
There, for some reason in this case, seems to a polarised view that if the McCanns are innocent then the dogs have to be wrong - but is that really the case.
Just suppose that both are right. What then?
Thats the crutch of the matter isnt it.
The dogs arent pointing at the McCanns are they just at something going on in the flat and other areas.
I still dont understand why the dogs findings were ridiculed by Gerry McCann
Didnt he say to a reporter in Portugal something like...
Why dont you ask the dogs.............in a cynical fashion.
It just sits bad with me.
I would want to know what happened.
These dogs are highly trained tools.
Why if they were rubbish did they not alert everywhere they were taken too?
I gather this is from the Portuguese police files and that's why I asked earlier if all this had actually been corroborated by the British police, as I'd like to know if they've agreed with what's been released.
The dogs work is the work of the British Police.
There are - or used to be, not sure if still there - videos of the dogs actually at work in Portugal.
Gerry is a cardiologist dealing with x-rays and scans and pacemakers and the like, from what I can remember?
Kate was a part-time GP.
I think the opportunities for dealing with the deceased would be few and far between really.
Then, of course, there is the fact they would need to be doing their day job in their holiday clothes.
The argument seems to be that either the dogs did not smell cadaver scent, or that if they did there is an innocent explanation for it. Yet the dogs went all over the Ocean Club but only ever alerted at things associated with the McCanns. If the dog alerts are of no relevance then the odds of this happening are astronomical.
Gerry is a cardiologist dealing with x-rays and scans and pacemakers and the like, from what I can remember?
Kate was a part-time GP.
I think the opportunities for dealing with the deceased would be few and far between really.
Then, of course, there is the fact they would need to be doing their day job in their holiday clothes.
Not ruled out though. As for the clothes I've read that they went early in the season when the weather wasn't as warm, and sometimes it was chilly, so of course, they could have taken clothes they might have worn to work as well.
such technology doesn't exist. if it did it would command a price of billions from potentates, presidents, princes anxious to cover up their misdeeds as people seem to imagine the mccanns have somehow done.
BTW i don't want to worry you, but if you actually downloaded screenshots, then not only have 'they' wiped the net, they've also been in and wiped your personal computer, they are on to you!
if only they would use their super powers for good, eh?
No sorry its my brain fog, what i meant was I had bookmarked the blogs, but when I went back to the blog entry it came up as URL unknown. Sorry not screenshots....on my computer.
Not ruled out though. As for the clothes I've read that they went early in the season when the weather wasn't as warm, and sometimes it was chilly, so of course, they could have taken clothes they might have worn to work as well.
In that case then, they must also have taken some of their children's clothes and toys with them :cool:
There are - or used to be, not sure if still there - videos of the dogs actually at work in Portugal.
I do know that. I meant have the British police actually released information to the public corroborating the Portuguese reports or are we only hearing from the Portuguese point of view from their files.
Why is it so important to you to have the dogs ridiculed?
i haven't 'ridiculed' the dogs. i am raising questions about the claims made for them by some people.
you can't have it both ways - if the alert at haute de G to milk teeth was a 'sound' alert, then you cannot rule out such a source in the mccann case.
if you then argue that only mccann related items were alerted in PDL then that would rather undermine the above claim, since we can be fairly sure that children have lost milk teeth in PdL.
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These dogs are highly trained, specialist pieces of kit. They are being used all over the world, by the FBI and whatever the FBI-ey local evivalent it. Martin Grimes was testifying in America with regard to a case only this month.
There, for some reason in this case, seems to a polarised view that if the McCanns are innocent then the dogs have to be wrong - but is that really the case.
Just suppose that both are right. What then?
Yet the dogs found alerted to nothing like this at anything else in the complex - despite extensive searching. When they alerted it was always at things connected with the McCanns. Really a very unlucky couple.
http://truthformadeleine.com/
I may sound like a newbie suckup, but kudos to the mods for keeping this thread alive, when I was a lurker these threads were taboo.
well the question i am raising is 'right about what?' That a milk tooth might have been lost in the apartment at some point?
No milk tooths anywhere else in the complex apparently. Just apartment 5a.
well that would suggest the dogs are not as sensitive as claimed, and would then be demonstrated to have made false alerts at haute de la garenne, ie that false alerts are possible.
this is why i think it best to stick with the handlers' evaluation of the situation - he's the expert after all - no evidential or intelligence reliability to be placed on the alerts without corroborating evidence.
yeah, but they are up conspiracy creek without a paddle, aren't they?
that clarence mitchell, the prime minister and senior police all know MM is dead and are conspiring to keep it quiet... :eek:
Yes me too. Also saw the photograph of Gerry with a suitcase taking the twins to the beach, which i thought was very odd, well it was a blue suitcase I think or perhaps large bag? But blue it was.
The thing is for me if you know you pick a place to holiday because of the tennis courts you take your own kit, racquet and bag surely...???
When i used to go on holiday abroad, I always took a bag specifically to carry my towels and costume and stuff for a day at the beach.
Its normal behaviour surely.
I often wondered about that bag.
Another thing to has everyone forgot about the wailing McCanns the photos of them with their bottoms up in the air on the beds wailing....and behind them a shocked PJ watching them. I swear to god that made me feel quite odd.
Those poor people it must have been such a shock to find her missing like that.
Someone who took her surely could have used the blue bag to carry her out, perhaps using a little chloroform to quieten her down, that would make sense to me.
Didnt 2 girls who were kidnapped get put in a bag some years ago, but they got out..sorry my memory is rubbish really its an MS brain fog thing lol.
Anyway i wish we had screen shot those blogs, i did have them on my computer but they disappeared....off the internet.
Only "false alerts" at things related to the McCanns - despite being taken throughout the Ocean Club, Robert Murat's house, etc. What are the odds?
No,
Why is it so important to you to have the dogs ridiculed?
They are what they are and do what they do. For whatever reason, they did alert and while 'we' don't know what that was to it just goes in the file with all the other evidence as something to be remembered and kept in mind.
Several other doctors there as part of the group - yet only the McCanns get cadaver dog alerts. Such an unlucky couple.
There is a photo of a large blue bag in the bedroom cupboard where the dogs alerted. The blue bag subsequently disappeared.
I agree, they are looking for full blame on the parents.
Personally I'm trying to formulate the little that we know.
Obviously without neglect none of this would have happened, thats a given.
But.....
such technology doesn't exist. if it did it would command a price of billions from potentates, presidents, princes anxious to cover up their misdeeds as people seem to imagine the mccanns have somehow done.
BTW i don't want to worry you, but if you actually downloaded screenshots, then not only have 'they' wiped the net, they've also been in and wiped your personal computer, they are on to you!
if only they would use their super powers for good, eh?
Gerry is a cardiologist dealing with x-rays and scans and pacemakers and the like, from what I can remember?
Kate was a part-time GP.
I think the opportunities for dealing with the deceased would be few and far between really.
Then, of course, there is the fact they would need to be doing their day job in their holiday clothes.
I gather this is from the Portuguese police files and that's why I asked earlier if all this had actually been corroborated by the British police, as I'd like to know if they've agreed with what's been released.
Thats the crutch of the matter isnt it.
The dogs arent pointing at the McCanns are they just at something going on in the flat and other areas.
I still dont understand why the dogs findings were ridiculed by Gerry McCann
Didnt he say to a reporter in Portugal something like...
Why dont you ask the dogs.............in a cynical fashion.
It just sits bad with me.
I would want to know what happened.
These dogs are highly trained tools.
Why if they were rubbish did they not alert everywhere they were taken too?
Its just plain weird.
The dogs work is the work of the British Police.
There are - or used to be, not sure if still there - videos of the dogs actually at work in Portugal.
The argument seems to be that either the dogs did not smell cadaver scent, or that if they did there is an innocent explanation for it. Yet the dogs went all over the Ocean Club but only ever alerted at things associated with the McCanns. If the dog alerts are of no relevance then the odds of this happening are astronomical.
Not ruled out though. As for the clothes I've read that they went early in the season when the weather wasn't as warm, and sometimes it was chilly, so of course, they could have taken clothes they might have worn to work as well.
No sorry its my brain fog, what i meant was I had bookmarked the blogs, but when I went back to the blog entry it came up as URL unknown. Sorry not screenshots....on my computer.
In that case then, they must also have taken some of their children's clothes and toys with them :cool:
I do know that.
i haven't 'ridiculed' the dogs. i am raising questions about the claims made for them by some people.
you can't have it both ways - if the alert at haute de G to milk teeth was a 'sound' alert, then you cannot rule out such a source in the mccann case.
if you then argue that only mccann related items were alerted in PDL then that would rather undermine the above claim, since we can be fairly sure that children have lost milk teeth in PdL.