Big anti-climax. It was good, but it was more like a mid-season 24 episode. I thought it was going to be a contained plotline, and for the second season we would get a new story. Overall, a good series, but not as revloutionary as many are claiming, 24 was doing a lot of this stuff ten years ago.
I found it funny how the season 2 trailer shows possible answers to who has the video, what happened to the vest and will Carrie remember but it doesn't mention at all what happened to Walkers body :rolleyes:. After Brody shit him did he dispose of the body or leave it.
When Brody was facing the VP nobody noticed the red switch in is hand which was quite easy to see. Why did not put the switch in his pocket.
Why did Walker leave the witness alive and so on. All things which were never explained.
One the first point, seeing him dispose of the body wouldn't exactly have made for gripping TV viewing. Just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean it didn't happen.
And on the last point, why would Walker kill the witness anyway? Everyone knew it was Walker, what more could she tell them?
I am really glad of this as I was worried that Sky Atlantic would swoop in and grab it like Sky1 did with Glee and F1. Also it says it will be running in the Autumn so it must be at US pace which would be great.
Most reviews say it has been a cracking show and they would be right, I haven't seen Clare Danes in anything since Romeo and Juliet and I can see why she won an award for her portrayal of Carrie. On Digital Spy Damien Lewis said the show is filming (without characters) for 2 weeks in Israel so I wonder what that s about? Maybe they are trying something from the original Israeli version?
Brody's reaction coming face to face with Walker was totally unbelievable. I couldn't understand how emotionless he was to see his friend again after thinking he'd killed him.
Would have liked to have found out more about Walker...
The way I see it was he knew Walker was alive. He may have felt he killed him at some stage during captivity, but by the time he was "turned", the plot hatched and he was "rescued". He knew what was up with Walker.
To prevent her from stopping him, or raising the alarm. Why take the risk however small?
LOL! She was an elderly woman securely tied to a chair and gagged. What was she going to do in the few minutes it took him to leave the vicinity? And it's hardly going to be a surprise to anyone when she eventually IDs him as Walker.
LOL! She was an elderly woman securely tied to a chair and gagged. What was she going to do in the few minutes it took him to leave the vicinity? And it's hardly going to be a surprise to anyone when she eventually IDs him as Walker.
It was dark when Walker arrived and light when he fired the shot, that is several hours. Not the short while you are suggesting.
Grrr. Brody would have got away with it if it hadn't been for his meddling kid (well, I guess crazy Carrie put her up to it, but still...)
I was hoping it would all be wrapped up so that a second season would feature a new terrorist threat like 24 - if Jack Bauer could always find a way back to CTU then Carrie surely can get back to her old job. It's good that season 2 will address the loose ends from S1 but I think it would also be good to move on to something else.
To prevent her from stopping him, or raising the alarm. Why take the risk however small?
I think the explanation would be along the lines that he had having accomplished his mission she was not a threat in contrast to the hunter who he ruthlessly dispatched.
I think the writers added that to add to their attempt to blur the line between good and evil and somehow show how some of those we call terrorists are in their mind doing something for the greater good.
Walker I think believes in what he is doing and thinks it is Right. He touched the lady hair as he left reaffirming in some little way his humanity.
I think the explanation would be along the lines that he had having accomplished his mission she was not a threat in contrast to the hunter who he ruthlessly dispatched.
But before he did succeed, she was a threat. I note that Walker killed 5 people at the fountain and maimed an unknown number.
Did he really need to kill the hunter and not just disable him?
We don't know anything about Walker's motives though, which is a strange omission by the writers.
Nitpick - when did this family powwow occur, where Dana was told of her father's infidelity with Carrie? I could just about accept Jessies intuitive knowledge that the reason Brody stayed away overnight wasn't totally to do with their problems at settling back into a relationship after 8 years of estrangement and all the ensuing arguments that caused. But a 16 year old?
Other than that, I quite enjoyed the finale. The first half, or at least up until the bombing attempt, was quite tense and edge of seat drama considering there were no surprises. It fizzled out post-ba but it was quite nice to see (imo) Saul steal the show from under the noses of the younger characters. He was a real hero tonight and I was worried that he would jeopardise his own career (and thus a part in Homeland 2) with his obstinate refusal to stop digging. Now it's fingers crossed that Galvez isn't the mole.
David Harewood's one dimensional acting was always the weak link of this series for me (along with Morena Baccarin), but I have to admit I may have got it wrong because Estes' complete lack of emotional intelligence certainly worked for the reveal that he was part of the drone attack decision making and subsequent cover-up. Maybe next series it will be Jessie's turn to make me think again
Ideally it would have finished today with a proper ending and would have been up there with the BBC's Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy but we know Americans don't do things that way and it will go on and on until everyone's bored.
There was clearly a point in the season's broadcast where it was decided to commission a 2nd season - and that's where things changed in the script. The ending just didn't fit with the earlier episodes.
One the first point, seeing him dispose of the body wouldn't exactly have made for gripping TV viewing. Just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean it didn't happen.
And on the last point, why would Walker kill the witness anyway? Everyone knew it was Walker, what more could she tell them?
The whole finale wasn't really gripping but it's just another plot hole when all the questions in the season 2 trailer came up.
The witness could have told the police a lot such as what he wearing, time he left her house, possible motivations, how he was acting and so on. There all things which would used to track him down.
I thought it was a good finale, but I was disappointed. If there had been a resolution/revelation about something, for example who the mole is, it would have been better I think as some satisfaction would have been had. I kind of agree that it may have been better if the bomb went off as it would be a shocker, plus tbh I find Brody the least compelling character now.
Also I wonder how Carrie will fit in next series if she's no longer CIA? I really thought Saul was going to blackmail Estes and the VP to let her back in.
Also, is it me, or was it extremely obvious that Brody's plan was to set the bomb off in that bunker, even last week? I don't think there was anything surprising in the finale, and that was why it felt like a bit of a let down, no matter how well acted it was.
They would go through one by default. Though whether there is a different signal for metal trouser belt compared to larger metal object, I don't know.
How many metal detectors have you been through when getting off a plane? I'm guessing none. I'm no expert in securing USA VPs, but what would be the point of putting people through a metal detector on their way home?
How many metal detectors have you been through when getting off a plane? I'm guessing none. I'm no expert in securing USA VPs, but what would be the point of putting people through a metal detector on their way home?
To detect guns being brought back into the country ?
In case there is lax security at the departure point.
I found it funny how the season 2 trailer shows possible answers to who has the video, what happened to the vest and will Carrie remember but it doesn't mention at all what happened to Walkers body :rolleyes:. After Brody shit him did he dispose of the body or leave it.
When Brody was facing the VP nobody noticed the red switch in is hand which was quite easy to see. Why did not put the switch in his pocket.
Why did Walker leave the witness alive and so on. All things which were never explained.
For your second point, he didn't have the switch in his pocket because then we the viewers wouldn't be able to see him try to use it!
(Its the same reason male porn stars don't "finish" inside the lady!)
To detect guns being brought back into the country ?
In case there is lax security at the departure point.
Airport security is to protect the plane, so you go through security on the way on, not after landing.
I've been to a few conferences where medium level politicians were speaking, and it is the same. Bag searches and metal detectors on the way in, nothing on the way out.
I watched it on a time delay so could skip the ads.
I thought it was brilliant. Wasn't expected walker to be shot by brody. Agree the Issa link isn't enough for me to understand why brody could kill himself and leave his own family fatherless?
I liked the ending with carrie too, shame she won't be in the CIA again, the mole story rumbles on to next season.
I actually couldn't watch the bit with brody in the bunker, it was far too nerve wracking. Claire Danes and Damian Lewis have been awesome!
Agree with this - I loved the finale and I am so glad he did not go through with it otherwise we would not have Damien Lewis back for season 2
How many metal detectors have you been through when getting off a plane? I'm guessing none. I'm no expert in securing USA VPs, but what would be the point of putting people through a metal detector on their way home?
The question arose because it appeared from the camera shots that you passed through the detectors on access and egress.
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• Good news: Channel 4 has confirmed it will be bringing UK fans the second series.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2012/may/06/homeland-series-one-finale?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Fmedia%2Frss+(Media)
And on the last point, why would Walker kill the witness anyway? Everyone knew it was Walker, what more could she tell them?
I am really glad of this as I was worried that Sky Atlantic would swoop in and grab it like Sky1 did with Glee and F1. Also it says it will be running in the Autumn so it must be at US pace which would be great.
Most reviews say it has been a cracking show and they would be right, I haven't seen Clare Danes in anything since Romeo and Juliet and I can see why she won an award for her portrayal of Carrie. On Digital Spy Damien Lewis said the show is filming (without characters) for 2 weeks in Israel so I wonder what that s about? Maybe they are trying something from the original Israeli version?
The way I see it was he knew Walker was alive. He may have felt he killed him at some stage during captivity, but by the time he was "turned", the plot hatched and he was "rescued". He knew what was up with Walker.
I was hoping it would all be wrapped up so that a second season would feature a new terrorist threat like 24 - if Jack Bauer could always find a way back to CTU then Carrie surely can get back to her old job. It's good that season 2 will address the loose ends from S1 but I think it would also be good to move on to something else.
I think the explanation would be along the lines that he had having accomplished his mission she was not a threat in contrast to the hunter who he ruthlessly dispatched.
I think the writers added that to add to their attempt to blur the line between good and evil and somehow show how some of those we call terrorists are in their mind doing something for the greater good.
Walker I think believes in what he is doing and thinks it is Right. He touched the lady hair as he left reaffirming in some little way his humanity.
Did he really need to kill the hunter and not just disable him?
We don't know anything about Walker's motives though, which is a strange omission by the writers.
Other than that, I quite enjoyed the finale. The first half, or at least up until the bombing attempt, was quite tense and edge of seat drama considering there were no surprises. It fizzled out post-ba but it was quite nice to see (imo) Saul steal the show from under the noses of the younger characters. He was a real hero tonight and I was worried that he would jeopardise his own career (and thus a part in Homeland 2) with his obstinate refusal to stop digging. Now it's fingers crossed that Galvez isn't the mole.
David Harewood's one dimensional acting was always the weak link of this series for me (along with Morena Baccarin), but I have to admit I may have got it wrong because Estes' complete lack of emotional intelligence certainly worked for the reveal that he was part of the drone attack decision making and subsequent cover-up. Maybe next series it will be Jessie's turn to make me think again
There was clearly a point in the season's broadcast where it was decided to commission a 2nd season - and that's where things changed in the script. The ending just didn't fit with the earlier episodes.
The whole finale wasn't really gripping but it's just another plot hole when all the questions in the season 2 trailer came up.
The witness could have told the police a lot such as what he wearing, time he left her house, possible motivations, how he was acting and so on. There all things which would used to track him down.
Also I wonder how Carrie will fit in next series if she's no longer CIA? I really thought Saul was going to blackmail Estes and the VP to let her back in.
How many metal detectors have you been through when getting off a plane? I'm guessing none. I'm no expert in securing USA VPs, but what would be the point of putting people through a metal detector on their way home?
To detect guns being brought back into the country ?
In case there is lax security at the departure point.
For your second point, he didn't have the switch in his pocket because then we the viewers wouldn't be able to see him try to use it!
(Its the same reason male porn stars don't "finish" inside the lady!)
It's TV, not real life :-)
Airport security is to protect the plane, so you go through security on the way on, not after landing.
I've been to a few conferences where medium level politicians were speaking, and it is the same. Bag searches and metal detectors on the way in, nothing on the way out.
Agree with this - I loved the finale and I am so glad he did not go through with it otherwise we would not have Damien Lewis back for season 2